I’m playing an opponent who is preventing Vichy from occurring by having the UK attack Italy’s destroyer and transport in SZ96 from SZ98 with a destroyer, cruiser, tactical from aircraft carrier in SZ98 and a fighter from Malta. Italy’s destroyer is sunk (and transport). Then in the Non-Combat phase, UK loads the transport in SZ98 and lands UK troops in Southern France. Since France is still an ally at this point, this is legal and effectively prevents Vichy mode, since Germany will now have to take Southern France on its next turn. There isn’t any way to prevent this as far as I can tell.
G40 Balance Mod - Feedback Thread
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There is currently a discussion going on in the PtV thread, and I really feel that it would be applicable to OOB/BM.
It’s a problem that the axis can completely evacuate France, and not worry about the allies taking it because it’s a disadvantage. And it’s a problem that the allies don’t want to liberate an allied nation even if they could hold their ground.
If the allies hold 2 french factories in Western Europe, they should be able to produce 6 infantry a round at a minimum. Currently, liberating France prevents that, limiting 2-3 factories to 4-5 infantry at most.
My proposed fix is a +5 NO for France for holding France and Normandy or Southern France. The french earn 7 from Africa, 1 from Syria, and 6 from holding Normandy and France, which gives them a total of 14. You can only buy 4 infantry a turn consistently with this, on 2 factories. With the +5 NO it gives the french 19 so they have the capability to produce 6 Infantry, making it a feasible strategy for the allies to liberate Paris.
I Believe that this idea doesn’t fundamentally change the game too much to be included into BM, and also makes the game more fun for the allies. It makes the western front more dynamic, and could bring the balance a little bit closer to even. This also could make it harder to win in the Europe side, which might bring more action to the Japanese side.
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I like what you are suggesting although I don’t get the 4 inf part. Normandy+France+Sth France is 3 inf and if you through in Africa and Syria+Madagascar you get 17 IPC and 5 inf.
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Throw…,
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My suggestion applies to very common scenario i see of the allies holding either Normandy, and not being able to expand due to the Italians holding southern France. If the allies could take France, and keep normandy, the french earn 14 (+5 with the suggested NO makes it 19, enough to produce on the two factories)
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@WindowWasher said in G40 Balance Mod - Feedback Thread:
My suggestion applies to very common scenario i see of the allies holding either Normandy, and not being able to expand due to the Italians holding southern France. If the allies could take France, and keep normandy, the french earn 14 (+5 with the suggested NO makes it 19, enough to produce on the two factories)
So make it original owner “Neutral - pro allies”? Actually I quite like the idea and why not Southern France too. It’s similar to the Chinese coastal territories like Kwangsi so totally doable.
Perhaps a bit illogical though, in the sense that French territories don’t give their income to France. I wonder if it would be better to reduce the IPC value to 0 and give the money to France via objectives. Also, probably should give the allied player the option to give these territories back to France??
Throwing ideas into the air there. Not advocating anything in particular.
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Suggestion for BM5 if anyone is interested:
Disable the Iwo Jima+Okinawa objective by default.
Return to 6IPC for the Chinese objective.I guess that makes Pacific victory harder to get. Only a minority of games go that way, so perhaps not a huge change. Or maybe that exaggerates the change.
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@simon33 you are free to do anything you like, but don’t call it BalancedMod (BM).
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I have moved the postings reporting TripleA issues with BM to the TripleA support category:
https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/35826/triplea-issues-with-bm
as those issues do not seem to be related to BM itself but rather to outdated map- or engine-versions. -
Ok Gentlemen.
In the entire history of BM, and all games played. has this EVER happened?
“The Vichy French forces in the Southern France and sz 93 will also revert back if Southern France is liberated by the Free French.”
I’m just wondering why this rule exists? It seems a waste of pixels on the screen, since it’s totally impractible, if not impossible to ever have occur.
It’s technically impossible to achieve this prior to France 3, and that’s assuming the Germans let a loaded British transport survive in the channel. It’s most likely unfeasible until late game, at which time the “vichy” benefit has expired, and most likely Germany or Italy will walk in with 1 unit for the $3.
Last - even if someone managed to get a free french inf into Normandy, whilst SFR was still pro-axis. Germany goes immediately after France, with Italy going just before France and since it’s not a combat, it’s a riskless move to walk in, and there is no way either party would ever allow France to inherit these free units!
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It has happened.
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Can you show an example? I would very much love to see.
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Yeah, I managed it once.
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Pics or FAKE NEWS.
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The background is that I’m both stupid and unlucky. It’s a bad combo.
This is very recent actually. A game of P2V with @CaptainNapalm.
Germany’s horrible situation stems from a bold air-strike of the remaining british fleet in z112. Had 75 % and expected +20 TUV. Got diced hard and lost 9 air and a cr. -40 TUV and obliterated Luftwaffe.
The specific situation is due me forgetting that the units in S Fr will revert to french if France is liberated. Thought they would disband. I should of course have moved down 1 german inf and disbanded them, also getting 3 IPC for the trouble.
Anyhow. This is proof and evidence that it can happen.
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I’m very sorry to hear about your dice, and your total lack of axis competence on this issue :)
But I greatly respect your resolve in bravely posting “bad press” about a situation you were in. You sir, get kudos from me! Condolences on your loss.
Except I have to point out. What you said happened - NEVER happened.
#1. France didn’t liberate anything!?!?!? The USA walked into Paris.
#2. The allies DESTROYED the fleet portion of the forces in question, which basically discounts the purpose of the rule I was referring to.
#3… The rule is EXPLICITY clear about the French entering Southern France to liberate it seperately. And it clear did not happen in this case.N E X T!
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to clarify again:
“The Vichy French forces in the Southern France and sz 93 will also revert back if Southern France is liberated by the Free French.”
Neither the Free French, nor Southern France, were even involved in the example?
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@Gargantua said in G40 Balance Mod - Feedback Thread:
to clarify again:
“The Vichy French forces in the Southern France and sz 93 will also revert back if Southern France is liberated by the Free French.”
Neither the Free French, nor Southern France, were even involved in the example?
Ah, that’s a good point, sir…
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I pretty sure it has been done to me only because I didn’t realise the rule.
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@Gargantua i guess you could say its like the BM equivalent of the en passant rule–an obscure rule that is hardly ever used, but knowledge of which separates the pros from the mere dilettantes. It also took alot of coding to make it work, so I don’t think its going to change anytime soon ;)
What’s the reasoning for this obscure, rarely talked-about rule: in constructing the Vichy France ruleset, we had to consider every scenario, including those that were highly unlikely but still theoretically possible.
One scenario that needed to be addressed: what would likely have happened if Charles De Gaulle marched into Southern France with a Free French army at his back. Would fighting break out between the Vichy Forces and the Free French Forces (i.e., a civil war?). Or is it more likely that the Vichy Forces would simply join up with the Free French. To me, the latter scenario is more likely. Hence the rule.
Also, it has happened in at least one game I can remember. And it was glorious.
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@Gargantua said in G40 Balance Mod - Feedback Thread:
I’m very sorry to hear about your dice, and your total lack of axis competence on this issue :)
But I greatly respect your resolve in bravely posting “bad press” about a situation you were in. You sir, get kudos from me! Condolences on your loss.
Except I have to point out. What you said happened - NEVER happened.
#1. France didn’t liberate anything!?!?!? The USA walked into Paris. FAKE NEWS
#2. The allies DESTROYED the fleet portion of the forces in question, which basically discounts the purpose of the rule I was referring to. FAKE NEWS
#3… The rule is EXPLICITY clear about the French entering Southern France to liberate it seperately. And it clear did not happen in this case.N E X T!
German french supporter betrayed their own men!!! Mashala:laughing: :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
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