@gamerman01 Thanks for all your efforts over the years.

Ok, I’ve got a few points, first Europe:

• If Germany attacks both fleets (SZ110/111) you have to scramble something. I cannot emphasise this enough. If the BB goes to SZ111, you can probably scramble to there for free because a retreat is likely (not certain). Scrambling SZ110 when the BB isn’t there normally kills more Luftwaffe than RAF on average.
• You can still do Taranto even if you lose all the planes on London to a scramble - use the Scottish fighter. Without either it’s a big gamble.
• Don’t attack Ethiopia with only one transport. It can go bad and you normally have better use for a transport.
• Building a Persia factory UK2 is normally advised - which means you need to take it UK1.
• Taranto and SZ92 stack are stronger moves than Tobruk crush.

Against a J1 DOW:

• Don’t fear Strategic bombing. If they bomb you when they get Calcutta, they then need to repair it. This doesn’t apply in a J3/US3 DOW scenario.
• Moving to Burma UK1 with your whole force and a SZ37 DD blocker can stand against nearly the entire Japanese air force. Putting the Cruiser in SZ38 denies a landing spot too, or at least makes it much more difficult.
• Mechs allow flexibility for UK but it may not be useful UK1 if you stack Burma.
• Every extra turn Calcutta lives helps the allies a little. A US landing on Korea, reinforced by USSR, helps the allies a lot. Also keeps the Mongolian rule active.
• Midway naval base requires 3 ships to block. If there’s only one DD in range of SZ16 you should really capitalise on this.
• Entire Chinese coast can be hit from the Caroline Islands.
• Killing Japanese ICs on China is a major setback for Japan.
• Chinese troops often die easily so don’t fear doing moderately unfavourable trades with Japan especially if they cause Japan to take away from other attacks such as on India.

On the ELO system, we are never going to get a perfect system. Each game has a different handicap, which is unlike chess where every game is the same. Seems impossible to have a system which considers the bid as well the relative strength of every player. I’m not sure a more complex system would promote league play either.

I would agree that BM3/4 should be the standard for the playoffs for this year’s games.

Not sending the bb to 110 probably makes the scramble advised.

Bids for balanced mod are going up and up. Noticing a lot of games at allies+16-22 and not seeing lots of allied victories. Interesting, I would think that a prudent bid at these levels would see a plane+sub for the med and perhaps a mech for Burma to stop a J1 DOW (If that needs to be stopped). The problem with a bid like this is that it changes the med dynamic a lot and makes it hard for the axis there IMHO. I thought the Scottish fighter was bad enough in that it discouraged the two fleet attack G1.

Don’t think that PtV is the answer either - with the change to partition SZ38 just don’t enjoy that map much. Possibly, axis strategies could develop in the future, like they have in OOB and BM, to the point that change makes sense but at present I don’t think it does.

Now I am wondering if we need a different or changed map for league games to be fun again. Or should we just think that the bid is part of the fun and you should decide where you want change the game dynamics at the start?

If you hit SZ110 with 3ftr 3tac 2SB 2subs, it becomes very unlikely that the Brits will scramble even without the BB going there. The strafe of SZ111 is by far the best way to save the BB. It can go bad, but it’s the best option if you don’t want to sacrifice the BB. Sending a second sub to SZ111 is well worth it IMO.

@oysteilo said in How many G40 games have you played?:

I have about 15 face to face games, typically against one friend. We play standard G40 2nd ed with NO BID. Whoever loose gets to take the other side next time. We toss inn some beers, wine and other alcoholic beverages to cancel out any need for bids. I havent kept detailed track of it, but its pretty much anyones game and we must be close to 50:50 in win ratios. We also disallow any calculators, so its hard to know if you are 60:40 or 90:10 in big battles

Forum games are completely different as everyone knows. Both are fun, but in different ways.

The tripple A lobby is somewhere in between I think

I don’t understand the point of banning calculators. Wouldn’t you just then add up the number of 4s 3s 2s 1s and 0s on a piece of paper? Or do you also disallow pen and paper?

Not sure I understand. Are you suggesting expending the entire UK med fleet as blockers? What exactly are you blocking?

Also, Japan only has one transport which can reach SZ33 J1. ANZAC can easily defend against this J2 take down.

I just don’t find it as juicy a target as Calcutta is. ANZAC may actually be more of an IPC swing but New Zealand is 2 turns from W USA, so getting and holding all those IPCs is kinda hard.

@barnee said in WW2 Path to Victory - Feedback Thread:

One could make Normandy a “Friendly Neutral” controlled by France at game start. Then if France was liberated, it would stay in control of whoever currently has it.

Not perfect, but maybe better than as is ? I guess you could do it for S France as well if you wanted

Setting the original owner to someone other than France does resolve the issue of the USA losing ownership of Normandy when Paris is liberated but doesn’t resolve the case if it is never captured by the Axis.

@pejon_88 said in PTV L21 Playoff Pejon_88 (X+3) vs. Simon33 (A):

Unusual start.

Wow. A G4 DOW.

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 3

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 6.3.0

Game History

Round: 3

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 3 artilleries and 12 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Politics - Russians
        Russians takes Political Action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese
            Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Russians from Neutrality to Unprovoked
            Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Russians and Chinese from Neutrality to Allied
            Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Russians and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied
            Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Russians and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly
            Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Russians and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to Allied

    Combat Move - Russians
        Trigger Russians Unrestricted Movement: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared for rulesAttachment attached to Russians
        3 artilleries and 10 infantry moved from Amur to Northern Manchuria
              Chinese take Northern Manchuria from Japanese

    Combat - Russians

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        1 armour, 4 artilleries, 5 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Vyborg to Karelia
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Leningrad to Karelia
        2 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Samara
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Siberia to Northern Manchuria
        1 artillery and 6 infantry moved from Kursk to Bryansk
        10 infantry moved from Russia to Smolensk
        2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Vologda to Novgorod
        1 submarine moved from 126 Sea Zone to 128 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun and 6 infantry moved from Leningrad to Novgorod

    Place Units - Russians
        2 artilleries placed in Leningrad
        3 infantry placed in Siberia
        1 artillery and 9 infantry placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 46 PUs; end with 46 PUs

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@pejon_88 said in PTV L21 Playoff Pejon_88 (X+3) vs. Simon33 (A):

Unusual start.

Looks like it has gone pretty well for me. Or at least I am happy.

update to the French.

TripleA Turn Summary: French round 2

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 6.3.0

Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        ANZAC buy 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 marine; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC
        1 infantry moved from Queensland to New South Wales

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
        3 fighters moved from Java to Eastern India
        1 infantry moved from Shan State to Burma
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Java to 43 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 43 Sea Zone to 40 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 40 Sea Zone to Eastern India
        1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 65 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Egypt to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan
        1 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan

    Place Units - ANZAC
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 marine placed in New South Wales

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        ANZAC collect 13 PUs; end with 15 PUs

    Combat Move - French
        1 cruiser moved from 89 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone

    Non Combat Move - French
        1 destroyer moved from 83 Sea Zone to 100 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 100 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - French
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Adding units owned by French to 107 Sea Zone: 1 cruiser
        EDIT: Adding units owned by French to 99 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
        EDIT: Removing units owned by French from 96 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
        EDIT: Removing units owned by French from 94 Sea Zone: 1 cruiser
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

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TripleA Turn Summary: French round 2

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 6.3.0

Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        ANZAC buy 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 marine; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC
        1 infantry moved from Queensland to New South Wales

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
        3 fighters moved from Java to Eastern India
        1 infantry moved from Shan State to Burma
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Java to 43 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 43 Sea Zone to 40 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 40 Sea Zone to Eastern India
        1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 65 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Egypt to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan
        1 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan

    Place Units - ANZAC
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 marine placed in New South Wales

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        ANZAC collect 13 PUs; end with 15 PUs

    Combat Move - French
        1 cruiser moved from 89 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone

    Non Combat Move - French
        1 destroyer moved from 83 Sea Zone to 100 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 100 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - French

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I guess we’ve gone too far now and need to leave it. The convoy dice would be pretty different.

@pejon_88 said in PTV L21 Playoff Pejon_88 (X+3) vs. Simon33 (A):

@simon33 Oh, ok. I would have scrambled anyway.

Suppose so. If you are fine with an edit, can you use the above map? Attack power is the same.

TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 2

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 6.3.0

Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 2 artilleries, 2 carriers, 1 fighter and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 104 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Eastern United States to 104 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 2 submarines and 2 transports moved from 104 Sea Zone to 52 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 27 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
        1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to 27 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Western United States to 11 Sea Zone
        1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 11 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 27 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
        1 destroyer moved from 49 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 50 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Guam to 27 Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from 27 Sea Zone to 11 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Americans
        2 carriers placed in 11 Sea Zone
        1 artillery placed in Western United States
        1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Central United States
        1 fighter placed in Eastern United States

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 53 PUs; end with 53 PUs

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
        Chinese buy 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Chinese
        1 fighter and 1 infantry moved from Tsinghai to Szechwan
        13 infantry moved from Tsinghai to Inner Mongolia

    Combat - Chinese
        Battle in Inner Mongolia
            Chinese attack with 13 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 13 infantry in Inner Mongolia, round 2 : 2/13 hits, 2.17 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Inner Mongolia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Inner Mongolia
            Chinese win, taking Inner Mongolia from Japanese with 13 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
        Battle in Szechwan
            Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 1 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Szechwan, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Szechwan, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Szechwan
            Chinese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Chinese
        1 fighter moved from Szechwan to Western Sinkiang

    Place Units - Chinese
        4 infantry placed in Inner Mongolia

    Turn Complete - Chinese
        Chinese collect 6 PUs; end with 7 PUs

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific buy 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 mech_infantry moved from Eire to United Kingdom
        1 battleship, 1 carrier, 3 cruisers, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters moved from 94 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Malta to 99 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Iraq
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Southern Persia to Iraq
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern India to Iraq
        1 infantry moved from Southern Persia to 82 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 82 Sea Zone to 74 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 74 Sea Zone to French Madagascar
        1 bomber moved from French Equatorial Africa to French West Africa
        1 armour moved from British Guiana to 90 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 transport moved from 90 Sea Zone to 89 Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from 89 Sea Zone to French West Africa
        1 destroyer moved from 83 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone

    Combat - British
        Italians scrambles 3 units out of Southern Italy to defend against the attack in 99 Sea Zone
        Battle in French Madagascar
        Battle in French West Africa
            British attack with 1 armour and 1 bomber
            Neutral_Axis defend with 1 infantry
                British roll dice for 1 armour and 1 bomber in French West Africa, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Neutral_Axis roll dice for 1 infantry in French West Africa, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Axis lost in French West Africa
            British win, taking French Madagascar from Neutral_Axis, taking French West Africa from Neutral_Axis with 1 armour and 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Neutral_Axis: 1 infantry
        Battle in Iraq
            British attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Neutral_Axis defend with 3 infantry
                British roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Iraq, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                Neutral_Axis roll dice for 3 infantry in Iraq, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Neutral_Axis lost in Iraq
                British roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Iraq, round 3 : 3/6 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                Neutral_Axis roll dice for 1 infantry in Iraq, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Axis and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Iraq
            British win, taking Iraq from Neutral_Axis with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Neutral_Axis: 3 infantry
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry
        Battle in 99 Sea Zone
            British attack with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 3 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
            Germans defend with 1 fighter; Italians defend with 1 battleship, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 transports
                British roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 3 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 99 Sea Zone, round 2 : 6/11 hits, 5.50 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Italians
                Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 99 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 battleship, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 2 transports in 99 Sea Zone, round 2 : 4/7 hits, 4.00 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British
                1 destroyer owned by the Italians, 2 destroyers owned by the British, 2 cruisers owned by the Italians, 1 cruiser owned by the British, 1 fighter owned by the Italians and 1 submarine owned by the Italians lost in 99 Sea Zone
                British roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 99 Sea Zone, round 3 : 4/8 hits, 4.33 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 battleship, 2 fighters and 2 transports in 99 Sea Zone, round 3 : 3/3 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                1 transport owned by the Italians, 1 fighter owned by the Germans, 2 cruisers owned by the British, 1 fighter owned by the Italians, 1 battleship owned by the Italians and 1 fighter owned by the British lost in 99 Sea Zone
                1 transport owned by the Italians lost in 99 Sea Zone
            British win, taking 99 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 37
            Casualties for British: 3 cruisers, 2 destroyers and 1 fighter
            Casualties for Italians: 1 battleship, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 transports
            Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter

    Non Combat Move - British
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 99 Sea Zone to Egypt
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Iraq to Southern Persia
        2 infantry moved from Rhodesia to Belgian Congo
        1 bomber moved from French West Africa to Egypt
        1 infantry moved from British Guiana to Brazil
              British take Brazil from Neutral_Allies
        1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Shan State to Burma
        1 armour, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Eastern India to Burma
        1 infantry moved from Sumatra to 42 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 42 Sea Zone to 40 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 40 Sea Zone to Eastern India
        1 infantry moved from Egypt to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Egypt to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan

    Place Units - British
        1 factory_minor placed in Southern Persia
        3 infantry placed in Union of South Africa
        1 fighter placed in United Kingdom

    Turn Complete - British
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 122 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,1,4,4,3,4
        British collect 34 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 34 PUs
        Objective British 4 Control Convoy Lanes: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 37 PUs

    Place Units - UK_Pacific
        6 infantry placed in Eastern India

    Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific collect 20 PUs; end with 22 PUs
        Some Units in Eastern India change ownership: 6 infantry
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 100 Sea Zone: 1 carrier and 2 fighters
        EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Egypt: 1 fighter
        EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 99 Sea Zone: 1 carrier and 2 fighters
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 99 Sea Zone: 1 cruiser
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : 0.17
Italians regular : 0.83
Japanese regular : 0.33
Neutral_Axis regular : -0.67
British regular : -0.17

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