Send Boots on the ground to deal with ISIS?

  • Liaison TripleA '11 '10

    Perhaps the Turks declare war today, and we see a welcomed resurgence of the OTTOMAN EMPIRE!

  • '21 '20 '18 '17 '16 '15 '14 '13

    Or collapse?

  • Liaison TripleA '11 '10

    LOL Possible.

    But I don’t think so.  I think the Turks would kick ass - and surprise the world.  A lighting fast strike…


  • Iraq needs to get broken into three separate states based on ethnic groups. Or bring in a dictatorship, the current Iraq cannot survive.


  • This article which was published by the CBC today…

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/how-isis-and-syria-drove-a-stake-through-the-arab-spring-1.2785736

    …argues that the whole ISIS mess could have been avoided if Arab states had responded positively over the years to the calls made by peaceful moderates for political and economic reform.  Instead of doing so, the leaders of these states fixated on maintaining the status quo and used harsh measures to quell what they regarded as dissent.  The result?  Resentment, instabilty, increasing support for extremist groups, and eventually revolution and chaos.


  • @Gargantua:

    Perhaps the Turks declare war today, and we see a welcomed resurgence of the OTTOMAN EMPIRE!

    lol OTTOMANNS EMPIRE…everywhere I look, I see OTTOMANNS EMPIRE.
    They now call 'em Kebap House.
    It is a foodchain, nothing to worry about! :-D


  • A three state solution will only create more problems in the region. They won’t really be states anyways, they will be proxies for their more powerful neighbors.(aside from the Kurds). A sunni state will be backed by the Saudi’s and their kinsman around the arabian peninsula. The shia portion would be backed by the Iranian’s and likely Assad if he wins the civil war there. The Kurds, will be marginalized by all sides because they are a large demographic in all these surrounding countries and an independence movement on their part would cause problems in Iran, Turkey, and Syria because they have large minorities of this ethnic group. It would also cause problems for an Iraqi Kurdistan that wouldn’t be able to support a large influx of their ethnic brethren that would undoubtedly move to a legitimized homeland.

    It is a recipe for disaster even greater than what we are seeing today.


  • Yes, three state solution is a terrible idea.  Was a terrible idea in 2008 when Joe Biden suggested it, terrible idea now.

  • Liaison TripleA '11 '10

    Seems the turks have let me down…

    I was expecting a full scale offensive/invasion, to crush this spell of violence… instead we got F-All, and now an infamous Turkish “site of importance” has fallen.

  • Liaison TripleA '11 '10

    http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/isis-knocks-on-turkeys-door/ar-BB83BOI

    Turks don’t want to go in for a few different reasons.  How disappointing… :(

    Predicitions are flying that 5,000 civilians will be executed within 24 - 48 hours of total ISIS take over of Kobani.

  • '22 '20 '19 '18 '17 '16

    Hate to say it but maybe higher-ups don’t in Ankara mind ISIS thinning the Kurdish population since they’ve had so many problems with them over the years.


  • It is a matter of time before western soldiers start doing offensive operations… I imagine the US is going to wait until after the poll results comein next month…

    There is movement…that’s all I can say…

  • '18 '17 '16 '15 Customizer

    @Redleg13A:

    There is movement…that’s all I can say…

    Are you on the inside to some extent? Military or otherwise?


  • I am in the US Army and have been for 13 years…I have many friends at many military posts…and lots of orders are showing up saying “somewhere in CENTCOM”.

    I recieved similar orders stating the same such words in January of 2003…

    A word of advice too, the more the politicians deny something, the more likely it is going to happen. Look for the narrative to start to change about boots on the ground (it already has to an extent)…once everyone is nice and comfy in their new, or old, political offices about 15 Nov, you will see a much more aggressive call to action. You’ll see.

  • '18 '17 '16 '15 Customizer

    @Redleg13A:

    I am in the US Army and have been for 13 years…I have many friends at many military posts…and lots of orders are showing up saying “somewhere in CENTCOM”.

    I recieved similar orders stating the same such words in January of 2003…

    A word of advice too, the more the politicians deny something, the more likely it is going to happen. Look for the narrative to start to change about boots on the ground (it already has to an extent)…once everyone is nice and comfy in their new, or old, political offices about 15 Nov, you will see a much more aggressive call to action. You’ll see.

    I really despise politicking, plausible deniability and optical maneuvering… really despise it. I keep banging my head against a metaphorical wall wishing it would stop, but I think it is an unfortunate eternal reality. And it isn’t just politicians but executives and lawyers and anyone in a position of power with something to lose/gain because of it. It is a cycle of deception and/or head-in-sand mentality that is trickling down to the general public. It is rapidly becoming a very dangerous thing.

    I can imagine that it is even worse for someone in the military (the frustration). Or have you just learned to accept it?


  • You just learn to accept it and try to salvage what you can. Hope for the best and plan for the worst.

    There is such a thing as rushing to failure…I  honestly would prefer more time to give guys like me more time to prepare and train…rushing over their, letting our emotions drive us and then lead to failure would be exponentially worse than creating a solid plan, mobilizing the needed forces, establishing lasting alliances, and ensuring proper funding and support so the slaughter can come to a stop in full. If it sounds cold and calculated, it is…it also saves lives.


  • @Redleg13A:

    I am in the US Army and have been for 13 years…I have many friends at many military posts…and lots of orders are showing up saying “somewhere in CENTCOM”.

    I recieved similar orders stating the same such words in January of 2003…

    A word of advice too, the more the politicians deny something, the more likely it is going to happen. Look for the narrative to start to change about boots on the ground (it already has to an extent)…once everyone is nice and comfy in their new, or old, political offices about 15 Nov, you will see a much more aggressive call to action. You’ll see.

    Possibly… although, if you believe that Obama is doing air strikes simply to shift the media narrative away from “we’re doing nothing,” to “we’re bombing them, see, we’re doing something,” and that the President is merely a political opportunist who is deeply uninterested in defense policy, then don’t expect to see boots on the ground.

    I’m not saying you’re right, but I’ve seen enough WARNORDs that never turned into EXORDs to think that this could all be smoke to shift the political narrative.

  • '17 '16 '15 '14 '12

    America should go the hell home and leave the middle east alone, but if they really must bomb someone maybe they should nuke Israel off the map and get that whole mess over there resolved once and for all.


  • Glad we have folks advocating for a second Holocaust on the boards…

  • '18 '17 '16 '15 Customizer

    @Redleg13A:

    There is such a thing as rushing to failure…I� honestly would prefer more time to give guys like me more time to prepare and train…rushing over their, letting our emotions drive us and then lead to failure would be exponentially worse than creating a solid plan, mobilizing the needed forces, establishing lasting alliances, and ensuring proper funding and support so the slaughter can come to a stop in full. If it sounds cold and calculated, it is…it also saves lives.

    Oh, I do agree. Calculation over rash action 98% of the time. I would not advocate going over there just to show action to our public or to the world; that is inefficient, disingenuous and dangerous. Either way, politicians stalling or rushing or deflecting creates problems and is not in the best interests of victory or saving lives. That is what I have a problem with: wasted and misguided action/inaction.

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