Eastern Front Broken - $5 German tanks too powerful, income disparity a problem

[Gargantua]

Our group has had VERY bad luck with lend lease.

3 out of 4 attempts have put the money in Axis hands.

1 out of 4 only 20% of the IPC’s got through.

I know that our results have been flukey, but it’s VERY unappealling! LOL.

[Koningstiger]

Yes, personally I’d have the success or lack thereof of lend lease depend on how many German subs are in the Atlantic and whether or not the “Norwegian” Convoy route is occupied by Germany. This would not merely have lend lease depend on luck, but you could actually enhance the chances of it getting through by keeping the Arctic route open as well as keeping the number of German submarines low.

Just a thought…

[almashir]

Hey, Koningstiger,

That sounds like a good idea.  How about if there are no Axis subs or surface ships in the convoy box between sea zones 3, 5, and 14 at the start of the US turn, then add two to the die roll when giving lend lease to the Russians?  For the British, it would be the convoy box between sea zones 27, 31, and 32.

[Gargantua]

GREAT CONCEPT GUYS!!!

Going to playtest something like this for sure!

If this is the case, $5 German subs would be a fair trade.

[Koningstiger]

You’re welcome. I tend to be good at making [house]rules, if I may say so myself. Heavily involved in that sense in Tide of Iron.

I was indeed thinking along those lines.

[Variable]

I like this Lend Lease idea too. It gives Germany another option to spend money on potentially helping the balance issues.

[Koningstiger]

Something that should probably also affect the lend-lease success or lack thereof is who controls Persia/Iran. Part of it also entered Russia via that route.

[Imperious Leader]

Ok if you want to know where is was received figure 25% via Murmansk Convoy, 50% from across Alaska to Soviet Far East, and 25% via Persia. I am off only a margin of about 1-2% on these figures.

[Gargantua]

I’ve approached my group about playing with the rule that for each convoy zone occupied by the axis in the atlantic, the allies get -2 to their lend lease roll.  If there are no sub’s, allies get +2

[Koningstiger]

@Imperious:

Ok if you want to know where is was received figure 25% via Murmansk Convoy, 50% from across Alaska to Soviet Far East, and 25% via Persia. I am off only a margin of about 1-2% on these figures.

Actually it might not even be a bad idea then to have lend lease placed in said territories as well. then of course abstracting this, simply by awarding the extra IPC’s is also OK.

[Koningstiger]

@Gargantua:

I’ve approached my group about playing with the rule that for each convoy zone occupied by the axis in the atlantic, the allies get -2 to their lend lease roll.   If there are no sub’s, allies get +2

I’d include something for Persia (e.g. -1 if Axis controlled) and the Soviet Far East (e.g. -2 if Axis controlled) as well.

[Koningstiger]

@Gargantua:

I’ve approached my group about playing with the rule that for each convoy zone occupied by the axis in the atlantic, the allies get -2 to their lend lease roll.   If there are no sub’s, allies get +2

Rather than subs, surface warships might also be taken into the equasion. For good reason the Brits also feared the Bismarck (-;

So far most conditions favor the Axis. perhaps also a +1 to each die roll could be given for: Norwegian Convoy route is free of German warships; there are less than 5 German warships/subs in the Atlantic (+1) and Persia is Allied controlled (+1). So +1’s for the Allies; -2 for the Axis.

[Gargantua]

Play Test Notes

• Lend Lease rule was fun! And worked well for both sides.

• Russian infantry bonus was paramount to it’s survival to mid term of game, although Russia still faced defeat. The knowledge for the future is to put complex’s down early, for the late game infantry mash!

• Russian infantry boost in Novisibirsk really helped China against Japan!  This is needed.

[Koningstiger]

@Gargantua:

Play Test Notes

• Lend Lease rule was fun! And worked well for both sides.

• Russian infantry bonus was paramount to it’s survival to mid term of game, although Russia still faced defeat. The knowledge for the future is to put complex’s down early, for the late game infantry mash!

• Russian infantry boost in Novisibirsk really helped China against Japan!  This is needed.

Which exact lend-lease rule did you use?

[BluGerman]

Wanting to get into Global 39 but personally never played it but have plenty of experience with global 40 so this may not work, but how about you just give Germany (or possibly the whole Axis) a cap on the amount of industrial units it can make (I.E. Tanks) to give a better representation of lower industrial capacity while not making tanks to expensive, Idk proper cap amount to suggest though :p

P.S. Russia effectively owned Mongolia as a satellite state and Britain/Russia launched an invasion of Iran in which Russia got the northern half

[General 6 Stars]

Gar and Koba what changes have you made to game? Going to do a game in 2 a week.

[ghr2]

@Gargantua:

Our group has had VERY bad luck with lend lease.

3 out of 4 attempts have put the money in Axis hands.

1 out of 4 only 20% of the IPC’s got through.

I know that our results have been flukey, but it’s VERY unappealling! LOL.

OK

@Gargantua:

I’ve approached my group about playing with the rule that for each convoy zone occupied by the axis in the atlantic, the allies get -2 to their lend lease roll.  If there are no sub’s, allies get +2

Wouldn’t that make the problem worse?