@GeneralDisarray Game History
Round: 1 Bid Purchase - Germans Germans buy 1 artillery and 1 submarine; 0 PU unused Bid Placement - Germans 1 submarine placed in 120 Sea Zone 1 artillery placed in Holland Belgium Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Trigger Germans 6 Atlantic Wall Broken Switch: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_Germans_6_Atlantic_Wall_Possible_Switch attached to Germans Combat Move - Germans 2 submarines moved from 120 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 106 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 111 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 121 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 127 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone 1 battleship moved from 116 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Germany to 114 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Norway to 114 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to 113 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone 3 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Germany to 113 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to 114 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux 1 armour moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux 2 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to France 3 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Austria to France 2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Austria to Yugoslavia 1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Romania to Yugoslavia 1 armour and 2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 1 armour moved from Poland to Yugoslavia 1 fighter moved from Poland to Yugoslavia 1 artillery moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux 2 armour, 2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France Combat - Germans Battle in 109 Sea Zone Germans attack with 2 submarines British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport British win with 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4 Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines Casualties for British: 1 destroyer Battle in 113 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 bomber, 3 fighters, 2 submarines and 3 tactical_bombers British defend with 1 battleship and 1 cruiser; French defend with 1 cruiser Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British Germans win with 1 bomber, 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 34 Casualties for French: 1 cruiser Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Casualties for British: 1 battleship and 1 cruiser Battle in 114 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber British defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British Germans win with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 37 Casualties for British: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer Battle in Yugoslavia Germans attack with 3 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 9 infantry Neutral_Allies defend with 5 infantry Germans win, taking Yugoslavia from Neutral_Allies with 3 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 8 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 5 infantry Battle in Normandy Bordeaux Germans attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber French defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry Germans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from French with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for French: 1 artillery and 1 infantry Battle in France Germans attack with 5 armour, 3 artilleries, 6 infantry and 5 mech_infantrys British defend with 1 armour and 1 artillery; French defend with 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory_major, 1 fighter and 6 infantry Germans captures 19PUs while taking French capital Germans converts factory_major into different units Germans win, taking France from French with 5 armour, 2 artilleries and 5 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 31 Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery and 6 infantry Casualties for French: 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 6 infantry Casualties for British: 1 armour and 1 artillery Trigger Germans Conquer France: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachment_French_1_Liberation_Switch attached to French triggerFrenchDestroyPUsGermans: Setting destroysPUs to true for playerAttachment attached to French Non Combat Move - Germans 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 113 Sea Zone to Western Germany 1 tactical_bomber moved from 114 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 114 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from 114 Sea Zone to Western Germany 1 tactical_bomber moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Western Germany 1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to France 1 aaGun moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux 2 aaGuns, 3 artilleries and 11 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 1 infantry moved from Romania to Bulgaria Germans take Bulgaria from Neutral_Axis 1 fighter moved from Yugoslavia to Southern Italy 1 infantry moved from Norway to Finland Germans take Finland from Neutral_Axis 1 cruiser and 1 transport moved from 117 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Norway to Finland 1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to 115 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Denmark to 115 Sea Zone 1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 115 Sea Zone to Norway 1 infantry moved from Denmark to Western Germany Place Units - Germans 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 115 Sea Zone Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 41 PUs; end with 60 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 65 PUs Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 70 PUs2014 League Post Game Results Here
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SouL (Allies +15) trounces Shin Ji (Axis)
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=34411.new#new
Went for a sealion, got it, and then had nowhere to go. Man. Sealioning seems like more and more of a trap option.
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@balance: It’s clearly an NO thing, for the most part. However, it would seem that it could be more about the Allies denying NOs. Would a bid dedicated solely to the Russians be most advantageous? In at least 1 game Me1945 played the Allies he did it. They have a lot of resources and NOs to protect from the Germans. They don’t get involved right away, BUT I would bet there is a correlation between Russian survival and Axis victory.
Things like inf Guiana and inf New Guinea are nice for picking up IPCs at low opportunity cost. In the ANZAC case, it’s nice because it leaves an easy 24 IPC to be collected with a unprovoked DoW on Japan ANZ1. We know sub 98 and ftr scotland certainly help mitigate loss and raise cost effectiveness. 22 seems like a good number, but I have somehow managed to completely botch G40 since I’ve started it.
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Whackamatt (Allies +11) over vs. souL (Axis)
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=33955.0
Another long one, 22 rounds in and it was even for most of it.
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souL what happened?
You never lose man!
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souL what happened?
You never lose man!
…wha, what? I was really good at AA50. G40, not so much. I’m working on it though!
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Maese Bolo (allies+20) over Don Guti (axis)
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=34513.45
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I agree that the NO’s are really screwed up. With the axis having so many relatively easy ones to get, and the allies having stupid and unachievable NO’s like the 10 for taking Berlin.
The France capital Conundrum is another big game breaker.
I wonder if the League introduced one simple change like:
*Allies can choose to liberate Paris - or to not Liberate paris upon capture, or can activate on a subsequent turn
*Or UK gets +5 No for no subs in Atlantic.
*Or UK india also gets a bonus for Burma Road open instead of Hong Kong and Malaya
*Or Russia starts with a bomberOr something like that, how much difference it would make?
I get that we don’t want to detract from the game design, and turn this into some whole other beast. But one day there is going to be a global 3rd edition, and we want to be the ones who come up with the strategy that evens things out a bit!
At the very least, if we drew back or at least reviewed one/some of the allied NO’s from the global Alpha editions we might get things closer to that balanced factor we like.
Perhaps we include/allow bids for extra NO’s as opposed to just units?
I still wonder why adjusting NOs should be relevant.
In my opinion the bid is the perfect balance factor. Bids are going up meanwhile. >+20 becomes standard and lets see how this changes the game.
One could discuss to make some standard bids = standard units on the map. E.g. just add a sub to 98.However having freedom using the bids even gives more color to the game in my opinion.
My conclusion is: Bids will easily balance everything out PLUS: I guess we are still at the beginning to explore A&A. Maybe we just don’t know how to play Allies yet and in a couple of months/years we might come to different conclusions:)
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I btw agree that the Russian +10 or the Japanese midway, Salamon island NOs are off and irrelevant. But this does imo have nothing to do with balancing.
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Shin ji (allies +12) beat the crap out of variance again.
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=34582.75
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http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=34516.0
Albertorelonchis (Axis) over JuanSpain (Allies).
Good game by Alberto, and proved again how chinese defeat in Yunnan retake in round 1 means almost a defeat for Allies in this game.
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Who wants to see Garg in the league??!?!?!
I DO….I have wondered why he seems to duck it……time to play w/the big boys
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At first I wanted to jump to the conclusion that the Axis were simply stronger at setup.
but now I wonder…_Are the Axis better because the top players play them more often? Or are the top players better because they choose to take the Axis side more often?
my 2 cents……
The axis are easier to play and win, there is a simple straight forward approach to achieving victory, especially in Europe….the allies are indeed harder but imo more fun/satisfying to win with when you play against an evenly matched player._ -
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=34484.60
rgp44 and JeffM over Whack. The dice weren’t in it for me, and when you gamble as I do, it’s a fast road to ruin.
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I started a thread here http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=34622.0
to discuss the creation of new Allied NOs to create game balance. Don’t want to clog up the results thread anymore than it is.
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For any who are wondering, I gave permission to rgp44 to share his games with his friend JeffM (JeffM makes some of the moves), on the condition that they are totally up front with their opponents beforehand, and their opponent agrees.
This is a league for 1v1 play, but the league generally also allows just about anything if both sides are in agreement at game start.
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http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=34436.90
axis-dominion (Allies +11) over Whack. Not in the cards…err, dice.
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Hobo (Allies +12) over Vold
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For any who are wondering, I gave permission to rgp44 to share his games with his friend JeffM (JeffM makes some of the moves), on the condition that they are totally up front with their opponents beforehand, and their opponent agrees.
This is a league for 1v1 play, but the league generally also allows just about anything if both sides are in agreement at game start.
That’s what I like about how this is run. The XDAP Tournament was the same way, and so will #2 be!
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http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=34415.165
Whack over Entek +15.
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It’s been 5 days now and no word from soulblighter. He didn’t respond to my email either. Should I keep waiting? Allies are dominating anyway (file had gotten too big to post so we took it to pbem).
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=34412.new;topicseen#new
Recorded later, 25 Oct
Gamerman01
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