I completely agree with trulpen and ksmckay on this one, we need to be real and make what really is the predominant variant be the default. Great arguments have already been made which I won’t repeat here. I for one will automatically resign my game in protest if any of my playoff opponents insists on OOB instead of BM3. And I won’t ever participate in this league again, until we are heard on this properly. This is not like the first or even second time we’ve been asking for this, after all, and man it’s such a simple and logical request.

Simple rule change: game variant played most in the league year shall determine the default for the playoffs. Done.

@dawgoneit said in League General Discussion Thread:

@dawgoneit how can i get people to join the league that play oob and tell them that they wont be playing the game they no. 2 of them i play on saturdays wont join because of the changes. isn’t getting people to join so we can keep the site going anyways. should we do seperate leagues?

You are arguing a completely different point here. No one is stopping people from playing whatever they want in the league. We’re talking about playoffs only. Your friends can advertise exactly what they want and see if anyone is a go (including tech, dice or low luck, combat first, OOB, p2v, heck I bet they could play as revised in this league and gamer would be ok with it).

@gamerman01 said in Post League Game Results Here:

AD, I can ease the suffering a bit by giving you 2 points for ABH instead of 0, since he was tier 1 a few years ago. In case he doesn’t finish 3 games this year…

oh haha, appreciated gamer! and come on man, come back and play a few games this year!

@ksmckay said in League General Discussion Thread:

What is the plan for the league playoffs this year.

The league rules are a bit outdated and I don’t believe they reflect the league as it is being played. Up until the release of PTV this year 99% (didnt actually calculate but its close to this) of the games the last few years have been BM3. The 2018 playoffs and 2019 playoffs were both conducted using BM3 since that is the game the the league actually plays. This year things are a little different as PTV was released and allowed with league rules.

The rankings as they are (with one exception) reflect BM3 play. I dont see how its reasonable to have any game other than BM3 used to determine league champion. I also think league champion means absolutely nothing outside of the context of this community so I think its perfectly reasonable for the community to decide how things are considered which is why I am asking.

I think at minimum there should be a league playoff where the sole game played is BM3. If there is enough interest I think there could also be a PTV bracket. But I think that would be better for next year when the game has time to be further developed. The PTV game as it is has been changed several times throughout the season and while I like the idea of a PTV tourney, I dont think there is a real way to determine participants based on exisiting scoring. Cant just take the top 8 and put them in a PTV tourney since a good portion of the top 8 have played almost no PTV.

I will admit that I am biased to this discussion. As things stand now if everyone in top 8 were to participate in tourney I as the 4th seed would probably be forced into playing OOB which I wont do as I have played zero games of OOB. I rejoined the league after a several year hiatus 3 or so years ago and at that time the league was playing BM3 almost exclusively so recognizing that that was the game the league was playing, that is the game I chose to play. Having an OOB game determine playoffs in a BM3 league makes no sense (and would only be considered because the league rules were never really updated and so a loophole exists that doesnt reflect play in the league).

Sorry for the long post…

I second everything said here. I play BM3 exclusively, and I’m really not up for playing other variants, and certainly not PTV for the championship tournament. So I too will simply sit out if BM3 is not made the default going forward. I think we have the vast number of games being played as BM3 to warrant this kind of change.

@simon33 said in League General Discussion Thread:

@avner said in League General Discussion Thread:

Maybe I’m more skilled as a tactic and not as a strategy?

I think the opposite is important. ie. Tactics trump strategy. Patton said something like: great tactics can make a mediocre strategy sing but without the right tactics an excellent strategy can fail.

So I guess you still need a decent strategy, perhaps look at what other players do as Axis. Allies need to react a lot.

It is neither strategy nor tactics that is primary, but principles

Still no revised tech? I really love the idea of tech, but needs to be revised. Tech played a big role in the real war, and I already know Adam will say well that’s already reflected in the increased income as you conquer more, but I have to say I would really love for tech to be revisited and revised to make it a viable and fun system.

@simon33 said in League General Discussion Thread:

Interesting viewpoint @majikforce . I have a bit of a problem with it for the purposes of League play and play by forum in general because nothing stops you from just quitting and reloading then putting in a different buy, so long as you haven’t rolled any dice.

Nothing actually stops you from putting everything into the battle calc with purchase first. You just have to do a bit more leg work when playing online.

Personally I find this all a significant reduction in the fun in playing. Interesting that you find that part fun.

I think what he is saying is, he enjoys the mental challenge of it. I guess it’s sorta like in chess, how you are expected to think as far ahead as possible without touching any of the pieces. or like ditching the habit of using your fingers to count. I can see how it helps build mental muscle. I personally just about NEVER work things out in local mode, no matter how advanced and complex the situation may be. I too enjoy the sometimes very challenging mental work required in figuring out a complex turn without actually first “moving” any pieces. so with that said, I think it really does come down to a matter of preference, and hence, it currently is something that if both players like, they can agree to switching it on.

@trulpen said in WW2 Path to Victory - Rules Discussion:

@axis-dominion said in WW2 Path to Victory - Rules Discussion:

Still no revised tech? I really love the idea of tech, but needs to be revised. Tech played a big role in the real war, and I already know Adam will say well that’s already reflected in the increased income as you conquer more, but I have to say I would really love for tech to be revisited and revised to make it a viable and fun system.

Me too!

I actually worked together with @Pejon_88 a year ago on a different system for tech that I believe has quite some potential. One of the basic ideas was that there’s be a new structure, namely research facilities (small) and complex (big).

We tried out a few different routes, but never hit the endpoint of satisfaction and just put it on ice for a while. Maybe I should dust it off and give it a go? Would be interesting to hear others feedback on it.

yes go for it!

Wow it’s been 4 days and still no takers. This would be the first time I’ve really had any trouble finding good competition. We have lost a lot of great players over the years, and sadly that trend seems to be continuing. With all the myriad gaming options available these days, maybe we just haven’t been doing enough to market and recruit for the league, or the game in general. I know that in the past the stronger players have said they have a tough time keeping up with competitive or master-level play, expressing that it feels more like work than fun. Maybe they are too serious and agonizing over every move and detail? Personally I really enjoy the tougher competition and do not find it much work at all, but then again I am one of the most experienced players around.

Anyway, I guess I should open up to any tier 1 takers then.

I like the idea of beefing up Russia some more and giving Germany more of a sense of urgency to go after the mother bear. Otherwise you will have the @trulpen ’s of the world Who will stack like 8 to 10 euro carriers and like Karl said, block any allied progress in the west and med whilst ever slowly choking Russia like a python.

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 31

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4.0

Game History

Round: 31

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 3 fighters, 1 infantry, 6 mech_infantrys and 6 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Turkey to Persia
        1 mech_infantry moved from Turkey to Trans-Jordan
              Japanese take Trans-Jordan from British
        3 infantry moved from Eastern Persia to Persia
        1 fighter moved from West India to Persia
        1 artillery moved from Eastern Persia to Persia
        1 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Yenisey
              Japanese take Yenisey from Russians

    Combat - Japanese
        Battle in Persia
            Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Americans defend with 1 factory_minor and 5 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Persia, round 2 : 3/7 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 5 infantry in Persia, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Japanese and 3 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Persia
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Persia, round 3 : 3/5 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 2 infantry in Persia, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Persia
            Japanese win, taking Persia from Americans with 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
            Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 5 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        1 fighter moved from Persia to West India
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Persia to Turkey
        1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Turkey
        3 mech_infantrys moved from West India to Eastern Persia
        3 mech_infantrys moved from India to Eastern Persia
        5 mech_infantrys moved from Turkmenistan to Eastern Persia
        2 marines moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        8 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        1 battleship, 22 carriers, 1 cruiser, 9 destroyers, 21 fighters, 8 infantry, 2 marines, 46 submarines, 12 tactical_bombers and 4 transports moved from 6 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 marine moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone
        1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters, 1 infantry, 1 marine, 3 submarines, 2 tactical_bombers and 1 transport moved from 42 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Amur to Buryatia
        2 bombers moved from Japan to French Indo China
        1 mech_infantry moved from Yunnan to French Indo China
        1 infantry moved from Shan State to French Indo China
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Norway to Southern Italy
        1 infantry moved from Paulau Island to 34 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Japan to Aleutian Islands
        2 fighters moved from Japan to 34 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to 34 Sea Zone
        1 mech_infantry moved from Hunan to French Indo China
        1 armour moved from Kansu to Shensi
        1 mech_infantry moved from Shensi to Hunan

    Place Units - Japanese
        3 submarines placed in 37 Sea Zone
        3 fighters placed in French Indo China
        3 mech_infantrys placed in West India
        3 mech_infantrys placed in India
        3 submarines placed in 6 Sea Zone
        1 infantry placed in Korea

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 80 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,2,3,3
        Japanese collect 78 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 78 PUs
        Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 81 PUs
        Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 86 PUs
        Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 91 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : -0.33
Japanese regular : 1.00

Savegame

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 31

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4.0

Game History

Round: 31

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 4 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 3 tactical_bombers; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 infantry moved from Belarus to Novgorod
              Germans take Novgorod from Russians
        1 mech_infantry moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
              Germans take Normandy Bordeaux from Americans
        1 mech_infantry moved from Southern France to Portugal
              Germans take Portugal from Americans
        2 infantry moved from Volgograd to Caucasus
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to Caucasus
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western Germany to 112 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 112 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Rio de Oro
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Northern Italy to Caucasus
        1 mech_infantry moved from Turkey to Northwest Persia
        1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Caucasus
        1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Northwest Persia
        1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Northwest Persia

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Rio de Oro
        Battle in Northwest Persia
            Germans attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry
            Americans defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry in Northwest Persia, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Northwest Persia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Americans and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in Northwest Persia
            Germans win, taking Rio de Oro from Americans with 1 bomber and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1
            Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
        Battle in Caucasus
            Germans attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Caucasus, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Caucasus, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Caucasus
            Germans win, taking Caucasus from Russians with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Caucasus to Turkey
        1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Northwest Persia to Turkey
        5 armour and 6 mech_infantrys moved from Volgograd to Turkey
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western Germany to 112 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 112 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
        3 fighters moved from 112 Sea Zone to Morocco
        3 fighters moved from 112 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        1 submarine moved from 112 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
        6 carriers and 1 destroyer moved from 112 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        3 tactical_bombers moved from Southern France to Turkey
        1 mech_infantry moved from Northern Italy to Romania
        1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Novgorod
        5 artilleries moved from Belarus to Novgorod
        3 mech_infantrys moved from Belarus to Novgorod
        7 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Belarus to Novgorod
        3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to Turkey
        5 mech_infantrys moved from Southern France to Southern Italy
        3 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Southern France to Southern Italy
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Southern France to Southern Italy
        3 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Southern France to France
        2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Southern France to Western Germany
        3 tactical_bombers moved from 112 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        3 fighters moved from 112 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Southern France to Southern Italy
        1 bomber moved from Japan to French Indo China

    Place Units - Germans
        3 tactical_bombers placed in Western Germany
        3 infantry placed in Volgograd
        1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Western Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 47 PUs; end with 47 PUs
        Objective Germans 7 Control of Balkans: Germans met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 49 PUs
        Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 54 PUs
        Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 64 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 0.67
Russians regular : -0.33
Germans regular : 0.00

Savegame

TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 30

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4.0

Game History

Round: 30

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 10 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 infantry moved from Southern France to Spain
              Italians take Spain from Americans
        1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Southern France to 93 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 93 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to 95 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Southern France to 93 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 93 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 92 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        2 infantry moved from 92 Sea Zone to Morocco
        1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 mech_infantry moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 fighter moved from 95 Sea Zone to Morocco
        1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Gibraltar
        1 fighter moved from 95 Sea Zone to Morocco
        1 fighter moved from 95 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        1 fighter moved from Northern Italy to Gibraltar
        1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Rostov
        1 artillery moved from Volgograd to Rostov
        2 infantry moved from Volgograd to Rostov
        1 infantry moved from Volgograd to Rostov
        3 infantry moved from Volgograd to Rostov
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 fighter moved from Northern Italy to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 fighter moved from Northern Italy to Syria
        2 infantry moved from Turkey to Syria

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in Gibraltar
            Italians attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 infantry
            British defend with 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                British roll AA dice in Gibraltar : 1/3 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 fighter owned by the Italians lost in Gibraltar
                Italians roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Gibraltar, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 aaGun and 1 infantry in Gibraltar, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 aaGun owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Gibraltar
            Italians win, taking Gibraltar from British with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2
            Casualties for Italians: 1 fighter
            Casualties for British: 1 aaGun and 1 infantry
        Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
            Italians attack with 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
            Americans defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 2 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 mech_infantry owned by the Italians, 1 infantry owned by the Americans and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Normandy Bordeaux
                Italians roll dice for 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Normandy Bordeaux, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 mech_infantry owned by the Italians and 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Normandy Bordeaux
            Italians win with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -5
            Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
            Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry
        Battle in Morocco
            Italians attack with 2 fighters and 2 infantry
            Americans defend with 1 airfield; ANZAC defend with 1 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Morocco, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Morocco, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the ANZAC and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Morocco
            Italians win, taking Morocco from Americans with 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 infantry
        Battle in Rostov
            Italians attack with 1 artillery and 7 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 7 infantry in Rostov, round 2 : 1/8 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Rostov, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Rostov
            Italians win, taking Rostov from Russians with 1 artillery and 6 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Syria
            Italians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
            Americans defend with 1 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Syria, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Syria, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Syria
            Italians win, taking Syria from Americans with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        1 fighter moved from Syria to Turkey
        5 carriers, 2 destroyers, 7 fighters and 2 submarines moved from 95 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Morocco to 92 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 92 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy
        4 mech_infantrys moved from Southern France to Southern Italy
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern Italy
        1 aaGun moved from Volgograd to Rostov
        1 destroyer moved from 112 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Gibraltar to France

    Place Units - Italians
        3 infantry placed in Turkey
        2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Southern Italy
        3 infantry placed in Northern Italy
        2 infantry placed in Southern France

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Italians collect 25 PUs; end with 25 PUs
        Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 30 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 2.33
Italians regular : 1.33
British AA : 0.50
Russians regular : 0.67
British regular : -0.33

Savegame

that was really bad luck for me to lose a sub and dd like that. smh just bad bad bad

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 5

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4.0

Game History

Round: 5

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans repair damage of 1x factory_minor; Remaining resources: 96 PUs; 
        Germans buy 1 armour, 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 17 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Politics - Germans
        Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Germans To War With Chinese
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Germans To War With Chinese: Changing Relationship for Germans and Chinese from Neutrality to War

    Combat Move - Germans
        3 infantry moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary
        13 artilleries moved from Germany to Poland
        2 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
        2 armour moved from Western Germany to Poland
        1 carrier moved from 110 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 marine and 1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from 114 Sea Zone to Poland
        1 infantry moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary
        15 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
        1 bomber moved from Western Germany to 114 Sea Zone
        5 tactical_bombers moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Slovakia Hungary
        1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Slovakia Hungary
        1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Slovakia Hungary
        1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Slovakia Hungary

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in 114 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
            Russians defend with 1 cruiser
                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 114 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer in 114 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 cruiser in 114 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 114 Sea Zone
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer in 114 Sea Zone, round 3 : 3/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 cruiser in 114 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Germans and 1 cruiser owned by the Russians lost in 114 Sea Zone
            Germans win with 1 bomber, 1 carrier and 1 cruiser remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2
            Casualties for Germans: 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
            Casualties for Russians: 1 cruiser
        Battle in Poland
            Germans attack with 2 armour, 13 artilleries, 17 infantry and 1 marine
            Russians defend with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 marine
                Germans roll dice for 2 armour, 13 artilleries, 17 infantry and 1 marine in Poland, round 2 : 10/33 hits, 10.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 marine in Poland, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians, 1 armour owned by the Russians, 1 artillery owned by the Russians, 3 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 marine owned by the Russians lost in Poland
            Germans win, taking Poland from Russians with 2 armour, 13 artilleries, 14 infantry and 1 marine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
            Casualties for Germans: 3 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 marine
        Battle in Slovakia Hungary
            Germans attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 4 infantry and 5 tactical_bombers
            Russians defend with 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                Russians roll AA dice in Slovakia Hungary : 0/3 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 4 infantry and 5 tactical_bombers in Slovakia Hungary, round 2 : 4/12 hits, 5.17 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Slovakia Hungary, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Russians, 1 artillery owned by the Russians, 3 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 aaGun owned by the Russians lost in Slovakia Hungary
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 5 tactical_bombers in Slovakia Hungary, round 3 : 4/9 hits, 4.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 armour in Slovakia Hungary, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 armour owned by the Russians lost in Slovakia Hungary
            Germans win, taking Slovakia Hungary from Russians with 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 5 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
            Casualties for Germans: 3 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        2 armour moved from Western Germany to Poland
        3 aaGuns and 3 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
        2 fighters moved from Slovakia Hungary to 114 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from 114 Sea Zone to Western Germany
        1 bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Western Germany
        5 tactical_bombers moved from Slovakia Hungary to Germany
        6 armour and 1 artillery moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
        6 armour, 1 artillery and 7 transports moved from 110 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
        6 armour and 1 artillery moved from 114 Sea Zone to Poland
        2 fighters moved from 110 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
        1 aaGun moved from Normandy Bordeaux to France

    Place Units - Germans
        1 fighter placed in Western Germany
        3 infantry placed in United Kingdom
        1 armour and 9 mech_infantrys placed in Germany
        8 mech_infantrys placed in Western Germany
        1 infantry placed in France
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Western Germany: 2 bombers
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to United Kingdom: 2 bombers
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from United Kingdom: 1 bomber
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Western Germany: 1 bomber
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 44 PUs; end with 44 PUs
        Trigger Germans 4 Presence In Egypt: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 49 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 54 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Russians regular : 3.50
Germans regular : -2.83
Russians AA : -0.50

Savegame

TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 4

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4.0

Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 5 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Greece
        1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Greece
        1 infantry moved from Cyprus to 99 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 99 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from Yugoslavia to 97 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Cyprus to 99 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 99 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from Tobruk to 96 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 96 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
        2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from 97 Sea Zone to Greece
        1 battleship and 2 cruisers moved from 99 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from French Equatorial Africa to Nigeria
              Italians take Nigeria from British

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in Greece
            Italians attack with 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 infantry
            Neutral_Allies defend with 4 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 1 battleship and 2 cruisers in Greece, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Greece, round 2 : 2/7 hits, 3.00 expected hits
                Neutral_Allies roll dice for 4 infantry in Greece, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                3 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies and 2 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Greece
                Italians roll dice for 2 artilleries, 1 bomber and 2 fighters in Greece, round 3 : 2/5 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                Neutral_Allies roll dice for 1 infantry in Greece, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies and 1 artillery owned by the Italians lost in Greece
            Italians win, taking Greece from Neutral_Allies with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
            Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 4 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        2 fighters moved from Greece to Southern Italy
        1 bomber moved from Greece to Southern Italy
        1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 99 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
        1 mech_infantry moved from Tobruk to Tunisia
              Italians take Tunisia from Neutral_Axis
        1 artillery moved from French Equatorial Africa to French Central Africa
              Italians take French Central Africa from Neutral_Axis
        1 mech_infantry moved from Northern Italy to Bulgaria
        1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
        1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Western Germany
        1 mech_infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy
        2 armour, 2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Tobruk to Libya
        1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy

    Place Units - Italians
        3 infantry placed in Southern Italy
        2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Northern Italy
        Italians undo move 2.
        2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Northern Italy

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Italians collect 17 PUs; end with 17 PUs
        Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 22 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : -2.00
Neutral_Allies regular : 1.33

Savegame

@ghostglider said in L21 BM3 Ghostglider (axis) vs axis-dominion (+18):

You also had a good chance of taking Japan instead.
With the many FTRs lost during my own turn, I could not cover everything, but you had a great positions already before your attack

yah but taking Japan would be much more riskier, with this hit, it was lower risk, cuz even if that strike wasn’t going great, I wouldn’t lose as much. just some straggling ships in sz6 which I really didn’t need anymore, but I’d also have Korea and would keep it, probably for a while longer.

let it be known I had Korea at the end

and wow what a game lol

@ghostglider said in L21 BM3 Ghostglider (axis) vs axis-dominion (+18):

No thanks, I surrender.

Congratulations with the win!

thanks, gg! I was really just looking to do enough damage to then be able to take your transports out with uK, and if not with Uk, then anz, and if not with them, then Russia. I figured I had 4 attempts to blow out your navy… didn’t think I’d get it the first go!