@gamerman01 said in League General Discussion Thread:

Guys, I’m thinking about resigning as league moderator and scoreboard operator. I don’t want to leave you in the middle of a year so intend to finish this year out and set up playoffs and everything, but maybe somebody should come alongside me and learn some of the ropes, or maybe you guys have an idea of another direction to take all this.

Contributing to this decision is that I did have my first manic and depressive episodes this year since 2005 (still pretty depressed - trying to get the right meds) but I wanted to get out anyway, since I haven’t found the time to play any league games myself.

I intend to help make a smooth transition if someone else is eager to moderate and score games (maybe a team) - I’d been doing everything with no partner for years now (Although having a partner can mean more work if they have differing ideas than you)

Please think about it - sorry - I guess this day had to come sooner or later. Thanks for understanding

Gamer

gamer, you have been nothing short of amazing all these years, and you’ve put up with sometimes a very tough crowd. we’ll definitely be missing you as moderator, but hopefully we will have you back as a casual player one day once difficulties clear up for you. I will pray for your complete recovery, and please don’t hesitate to message me in here ANY time for anything you need, even if it’s just for a chat because you’re bored or whatever.

Hey all, just wanted to drop in to say hello and that I miss gaming here with all of you. It’s been some time. Too bad I didn’t make a run for a three-peat this year, I guess I really needed a long break from all gaming in general. Anyway, I doubt I’ll be playing for a while longer still, but thought I’d check in nonetheless to see how everybody’s doing.

@MrRoboto said in Post League Game Results Here:

farmboy advances to the next BM playoff round

https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/40466/farmboy-x-vs-mrroboto-l-10-2023-bm-playoffs/101?_=1710333058146&page=5

He’s no longer a boy, ever since he won the championship he is now farm man

interesting discussions. would love to hear more about why andrew and maybe others think bm “radically changed” the game. for me at least, i feel the team behind it did an amazing job of enhancing it in very thoughtful ways that achieved certain goals beyond just trying to balance it, eg, nudging it a bit more toward looking like the history. and when i play bm i very much feel like i’m playing global but with great enhancements that give the allies a real chance without just throwing ever more loads of money at the problem. by the way, i agree very much the bid is not only great for variability/replayability but also an exciting aspect of the game. so i’m glad bm still requires a somewhat substantial bid, but just not too ridiculous imo like 50+ would be.

anyway, for me, besides more balance and a more reasonable bid, i like bm because

1. i never liked the re-looting rules in the original where if you regain your capital and then lose it again, the money again goes to the captor
2. the intercepting rules that simon pointed out, how dumb is it that a bomber and a fighter both fight at a 1?
3. vichy adds some historic realism to the game very nicely, while also adding more opening strategies and variability… it’s just a very fun aspect of the game imo
4. same for the chinese guerillas, gives china a standing chance will also opening up another potential strategy for the allies (via american airstrikes… love this option)
5. LOVE the new marine unit, gives back some much needed love to those capital ships and who doesn’t like cool new units? when has anyone ever complained about having artillery when they came out, or any of the other numerous new units that rolled out over time with new editions?
6. bomber cost at 14, altho i resisted it at first, did away with that stupid utterly ridiculous dark skies that some ppl exploited in the past… so i welcome it, but cost of units is easily negotiable between players and i’ve been experimenting with costs of cruisers and battleships being cheaper, making them great again

anyway i can go on, but all of these additions/enhancements don’t at all make the game feel “radically” different… eg you still have all the basics… G going for Russia or occasionally a SL if brits are careless… Japan going for india and china first, then turning on anz/hawaii… allies building up in 110 or first clearing out the med. all the basic fun strats are there and then some.

I completely agree with trulpen and ksmckay on this one, we need to be real and make what really is the predominant variant be the default. Great arguments have already been made which I won’t repeat here. I for one will automatically resign my game in protest if any of my playoff opponents insists on OOB instead of BM3. And I won’t ever participate in this league again, until we are heard on this properly. This is not like the first or even second time we’ve been asking for this, after all, and man it’s such a simple and logical request.

Simple rule change: game variant played most in the league year shall determine the default for the playoffs. Done.

@dawgoneit said in League General Discussion Thread:

@dawgoneit how can i get people to join the league that play oob and tell them that they wont be playing the game they no. 2 of them i play on saturdays wont join because of the changes. isn’t getting people to join so we can keep the site going anyways. should we do seperate leagues?

You are arguing a completely different point here. No one is stopping people from playing whatever they want in the league. We’re talking about playoffs only. Your friends can advertise exactly what they want and see if anyone is a go (including tech, dice or low luck, combat first, OOB, p2v, heck I bet they could play as revised in this league and gamer would be ok with it).

@gamerman01 got busy working for a startup, then when that didn’t go as planned i joined another one… also, i have been playing a lot of Twilight Imperium 4th ed (TI4), and that’s quite a game! here’s a pic yesterday’s game with a group of friends (I was the pink faction):

Hello, would like to play a bm4 game. It’s been a while… might have a hard time remembering how to play.

so sad!! i had many fun games with him, he’s going to be missed a lot… when i came back from my long break, i was wondering where he had gone, figured he’d be back eventually. i did know a little about his battle with cancer, it was something he had mentioned once while we were in a match. i believe @Pejon_88 was pretty close to him, not sure if irl or just online. anyone have any links to his chess blogs?

@Adam514 said in League General Discussion Thread:

@axis-dominion said in League General Discussion Thread:

anyone know why in bm4 UK pac on turn 1 would not get their NO for no subs in the indian ocean, even tho all the conditions are met? they’re not at war yet, but the wording doesn’t require them to be at war with japan. it’s something i never noticed before, is it a bug or am i missing something here?

and here’s the game thread, it’s a team game with my cousins and one of them noticed it: https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/40795/bm4-cousins-team-game-2024-1?_=1714352206348

only thing i can think of is that since they’re not at war yet, they can’t possibly have enemy subs that would violate this NO… but seems to me it should be more explicitly worded and made clearer in that case

There should be an at war clause as well.

maybe you guys can correct it in bm4.2, and while you’re at it make the battleships cost 18 and cruisers 11 like in ptv, or better yet, 16 and 10. :)

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 3

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 3

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 1 carrier, 2 factory_minors, 3 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        1 marine moved from Celebes to 45 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser and 1 marine moved from 45 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from 42 Sea Zone to Sumatra
        1 battleship moved from 132 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 43 Sea Zone to Java
        1 infantry moved from Dutch New Guinea to New Guinea
              Japanese take New Guinea from ANZAC
        2 infantry moved from Caroline Islands to 35 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 132 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 132 Sea Zone to Shan State
        2 infantry moved from Kwangtung to 21 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Borneo to 37 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Siam to Shan State
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 43 Sea Zone to Java
        1 infantry moved from Shansi to Inner Mongolia
              Japanese take Inner Mongolia from Chinese
        1 infantry moved from Honan to Tsinghai
              Japanese take Tsinghai from Chinese
        1 infantry moved from Hunan to Szechwan
              Japanese take Szechwan from Chinese
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to 42 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 132 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 21 Sea Zone to 132 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 132 Sea Zone to Malaya
        2 fighters moved from 37 Sea Zone to Java
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Shan State
        2 fighters moved from 132 Sea Zone to Shan State
        2 bombers moved from Kwangsi to Shan State
        2 infantry moved from Korea to Northern Manchuria
        1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from Korea to Southern Manchuria
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 6 Sea Zone to Northern Manchuria
        1 fighter moved from 6 Sea Zone to Northern Manchuria
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsi to Southern Manchuria
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Shan State
        1 submarine moved from 43 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser moved from 132 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone

    Combat - Japanese
        Battle in Malaya
        Battle in Java
            Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            ANZAC defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 2 cruisers in Java, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 infantry in Java, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the ANZAC lost in Java
            Japanese win, taking Malaya from UK_Pacific, taking Java from ANZAC with 1 artillery, 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 infantry
        Battle in 42 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
            French defend with 1 destroyer
                Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                French roll dice for 1 destroyer in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the French lost in 42 Sea Zone
            Japanese win, taking 42 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for French: 1 destroyer
        Battle in Shan State
            Japanese attack with 2 bombers, 3 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
            British defend with 1 infantry; ANZAC defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 2 bombers, 3 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Shan State, round 2 : 4/10 hits, 4.33 expected hits
                UK_Pacific roll dice for 2 infantry in Shan State, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Shan State
                1 infantry owned by the ANZAC and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Shan State
            Japanese win, taking Shan State from UK_Pacific with 2 bombers, 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 infantry
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry
        Battle in Southern Manchuria
            Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 5 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 5 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Southern Manchuria, round 2 : 1/8 hits, 2.50 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Southern Manchuria, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Southern Manchuria
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Southern Manchuria
            Japanese win, taking Southern Manchuria from Chinese with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Sumatra
        Battle in Northern Manchuria
            Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Northern Manchuria, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Northern Manchuria, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Northern Manchuria
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Northern Manchuria
            Japanese win, taking Sumatra from UK_Pacific, taking Northern Manchuria from Chinese with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        1 fighter moved from Java to 132 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Java to 132 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Java to 43 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 37 Sea Zone to 132 Sea Zone
        1 battleship moved from 37 Sea Zone to 132 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 45 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from 46 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun moved from Caroline Islands to 35 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 22 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun moved from 22 Sea Zone to Marianas
        1 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Hunan
        1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Shansi
        1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Honan
        2 artilleries moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi
        4 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        4 infantry and 2 transports moved from 6 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
        4 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
        1 carrier moved from 6 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Shan State to 37 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Shan State to Kwangsi
        2 bombers moved from Shan State to Kwangsi
        1 aaGun moved from Korea to Southern Manchuria
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Manchuria to Korea
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Northern Manchuria to 6 Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from 5 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun moved from Korea to Southern Manchuria
        1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Kyushu to 6 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 6 Sea Zone to Korea
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Kwangtung to Hopei
        1 fighter moved from Kwangsi to Hunan
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsi to Hunan
        1 artillery moved from Anhwe to Kiangsi
        2 artilleries moved from Anhwe to Hopei
        1 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Hopei

    Place Units - Japanese
        1 carrier placed in 6 Sea Zone
        1 submarine placed in 7 Sea Zone
        1 factory_minor placed in Kiangsu
        1 factory_minor placed in Kwangtung
        3 infantry placed in Japan

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Japanese collect 56 PUs; end with 56 PUs
        Objective Japanese 1 Trade With America: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 66 PUs
        Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 71 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : 1.33
French regular : -0.33
Japanese regular : -0.50
UK_Pacific regular : 0.33
ANZAC regular : -0.33

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TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 1

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 1

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 12 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians

    Combat - Russians

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        3 infantry moved from Amur to Siberia
        2 aaGuns and 6 infantry moved from Sakha to Siberia
        3 infantry moved from Buryatia to Sakha
        6 infantry moved from Leningrad to Northern Belarus
        1 infantry moved from Southern Belarus to Northern Belarus
        3 infantry moved from Baltic States to Northern Belarus
        2 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Northern Belarus
        1 artillery moved from Leningrad to Northern Belarus
        1 infantry moved from Archangel to Leningrad
        3 infantry moved from Vyborg to Leningrad
        1 aaGun moved from Leningrad to Northern Belarus
        2 infantry moved from Karelia to Archangel
        1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Western Ukraine
        3 infantry moved from Ukraine to Western Ukraine
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Russia to Northern Belarus
        2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Russia to Smolensk
        1 submarine moved from 130 Sea Zone to 128 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Stalingrad to Ukraine
        1 infantry moved from Southern Caucasus to Northern Caucasus
        1 infantry moved from Southern Caucasus to Northern Caucasus

    Place Units - Russians
        3 infantry placed in Leningrad
        3 infantry placed in Ukraine
        3 infantry placed in Siberia
        3 infantry placed in Russia
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Russia: 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Leningrad: 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 46 PUs; end with 46 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

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yeah that’s fine

ahh you used a very old one

GD i’m not getting any dice rolls

take out cruiser

none. thanks!

i saw dice were rolled a while earlier, but i see no post yet. just double checking it wasn’t forgotten. thanks

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 3

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 3

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 9 infantry and 1 marine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 battleship moved from 112 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 112 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Normandy Bordeaux to 113 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to 115 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Western Germany to 115 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Norway to 115 Sea Zone
        2 transports moved from 115 Sea Zone to 116 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Germany to 116 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Germany to 116 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 transports moved from 116 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 transports moved from 115 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
        2 armour, 4 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from 114 Sea Zone to Scotland
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Germany to 116 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Norway to 116 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 transports moved from 116 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 114 Sea Zone to Scotland
        1 armour moved from Germany to 116 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Norway to 116 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 116 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 114 Sea Zone to Scotland

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Scotland
            Germans attack with 4 armour, 7 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys
            British defend with 1 airfield; French defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 4 armour, 7 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys in Scotland, round 2 : 4/14 hits, 4.17 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 infantry in Scotland, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the French lost in Scotland
            Germans win, taking Scotland from British with 4 armour, 7 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for French: 1 infantry
        Battle in 113 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers
            British defend with 2 destroyers
                Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 : 6/7 hits, 3.83 expected hits
                British roll dice for 2 destroyers in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans
                2 destroyers owned by the British lost in 113 Sea Zone
            Germans win with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 16
            Casualties for British: 2 destroyers

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        2 transports moved from 112 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
        1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 fighter moved from 112 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 113 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
        5 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Western Germany
        2 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Poland
        5 infantry moved from Romania to Slovakia Hungary
        1 aaGun moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary
        1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to Germany
        2 artilleries moved from Normandy Bordeaux to 113 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to 113 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to 113 Sea Zone
        2 artilleries, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 113 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
        2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from 114 Sea Zone to Scotland

    Place Units - Germans
        1 carrier and 1 destroyer placed in 113 Sea Zone
        1 infantry placed in Normandy Bordeaux
        1 artillery, 8 infantry and 1 marine placed in Western Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 43 PUs; end with 43 PUs
        Trigger Germans 7 Atlantic Wall: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 46 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 51 PUs
        Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 56 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : 2.00
British regular : 0.00

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