I don't get it… Can someone help me out here?

  • '12

    British Columbia, when the government asked the public if they would be in favour of phasing out ALL first nations treaties, procedures, and policies provincally. It recieved some 80+ %. Then the government did nothing :S.

    Phasing out treaties?  Is that like phasing out your mortgage with the bank?  One cannot unilaterally decide to break a treaty.  If the natives own the land you have to pay to use it.   If we signed a treaty 100 years ago and it seems unfair now, tough.  The Indians don’t get to retroactively change treaties in their favour.

    It is true that the blockades are not lawful and those should be dealt with.  This occurs in Ontario too.  Google caledonia land dispute.  There does need to be some standing up to the bullsit that occurs.  I just question the white washing of the residential school system as your first salvo.  I say go after corrupt chiefs and change land ownership laws so natives can actually own land on the reserve and develop it.

    http://www.lfpress.com/2013/02/18/attawapiskat-blockades-remain-in-place-despite-court-injunction-de-beers

    But the land did belong to the indians and they have a right to some of it.  It’s true they’re some abuses that can be constructively dealt with.  Forcing all  natives off their land so they can work in starbucks is not a solution ie tearing up all the treaties……

    It’s also true the further you move west the stronger the indian land claims are.  Not too many natives left east of quebec.  The natives in southern ontario were long ago supplanted by whites.  I do see in BC how strong the native land rights causes are.

    Again, those are separate issues from kids being screwed by priests in the residential school system.

    You realize that the money spent on Indian affairs over the last 100 years, is roughly equal to our ENTIRE NATIONAL DEBT right?

    I don’t believe this, would love to see you cite some facts to support this.

  • '12

    Garg, you want to talk about injustices.  How about Quebec language police bitching that an italian restaurant favoured Italian over French on the menu!  Can’t use the word pasta!

    Quebec language cops target ‘pasta’
    http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2013/02/20/20596011.html

    No sooner did I post that link that I came across this related link to Native blockades

    http://www.torontosun.com/2013/02/20/attawapiskat-blockade-smells-of-coercion-judge


  • Nice Malachi.
    What a joke.
    I suppose pates sounds better!
    And is pizza a French word now?
    As an Italian restaurateur I know how I would have reacted and it would have been by uttering a sentence using these 9 words:
    whore, is, you,  mother, a, and, your, off, fuck.
    But then I have always had a way with words!

  • Liaison TripleA '11 '10

    I need to clarify.

    There were NO TREATIES in British Columbia, until the Nisga treaty in the mid 1990’s.  Which was imposed on the citizens of British Columbia without their input.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/aboriginals/bc_treaty_referendum.html

    The Treaty Referendum I mentioned, was to allow “British Columbians” to have a say in the treaty process.  Of course the CBC link I’ve cited suggests it’s “racist”.

    I don’t see how letting people have a -say- in a treaty process is -racist-.  But that’s the world we live in today.

    For those of you who don’t know, CBC is also known as the “Communist Broadcasting Centre”.

    The Indians don’t get to retroactively change treaties in their favour

    Actually, that’s exactly what they are trying to do.  I seem to recall hearing Theresa Spence say that first nations legislation was “out of date”.  Yet at the same time, cling to a 300 year old treaty.

    It’s time to phase out the special race based privledges, and release the citizens of canada from the second class citizenship slavery they live in.

    And don’t get me started on the language police…

  • Liaison TripleA '11 '10

    Native bands in B.C. say their land was taken from them without treaty, negotiation or payment. Native groups have therefore claimed most of the province as their ancestral home.

    For the record, 107% of British Columbia is claimed as native land.

    107%, how is that possible you ask? Because the different tribes have overage claims on each other, because for this 10 year period, or that 20 year period, they “felt”, their “oral history” implied they owned larger areas.

  • '12

    Theresa Spence is a crook from what I see.

  • Liaison TripleA '11 '10

    @MrMalachiCrunch:

    Theresa Spence is a crook from what I see.

    Exactly! And we’re her victims.

    That’s what I’m talking about!

  • '12

    Once and awhile sanity prevails, mark this on your calendar!

    Quebec language minister calls for moderation
    http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2013/02/24/20604136.html

    De Beers blockade ends at Attawapiskat
    http://www.torontosun.com/2013/02/24/de-beers-blockade-ends-at-attawapiskat


  • Thanks Malachi.
    Probably too late by the Minister, but some action was necessary as her staff have obviously been too zealous in their job description.

  • Liaison TripleA '11 '10

    You think it’s getting better?  PFFTP

    http://news.ca.msn.com/canada/ottawa-fights-charge-it-discriminates-against-aboriginal-kids-1

    These first nations are complaining that they don’t get as much funding, because some first nations fall under federal benefits, whereas othersfall under provincial, but the cash $ amounts aren’t the same.

    So… YOU’RE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST BECAUSE WE GIVE YOU MONEY! WOW!

    That’s what this is about. Money. Make no mistake.  Your kids don’t get any of those benefits, and are enslaved to pay out to someone elses kids for the entirety of their canadian lives. Remember that.

  • Liaison TripleA '11 '10

    http://taxpayer.com/federal/new-jaw-dropping-reserve-pay-numbers

    Wow… 50 First Nations leaders earn more than the Prime Minister every year…

  • '12

    @Gargantua:

    http://taxpayer.com/federal/new-jaw-dropping-reserve-pay-numbers

    Wow… 50 First Nations leaders earn more than the Prime Minister every year…

    That is more of the problem, and since the ‘band’ actually owns and controls the land not private individuals it concentrates the power into the hands of the few, the dirty….

  • Liaison TripleA '11 '10

    Also,

    for those of you who called me out on my native funding comments, I’ve been doing my best to put all the research together, and am still -successfully- working on a model I can present.

    But basically, last year we spent $9 billion on first nations funding, which grows at 2% per annum. (a complain from F.N.'s is that their population rises much faster).

    The year before was $8, and the years before average from $5 billion to $8 billion as well.  I don’t have much data pre-1990 at the moment, but I’ve filed a Freedom of Information request.

    Basically… my theory is this:

    100 years, x $5billion  a year-ish (inflation etc obviously has it’s effect) = $500 billion dollars.

    Our nation debt is $606 Billion

    Calculat negative interest from debts we could have paid, alongside interest from outstanding debts we’ve incurred, and the years etc involved, and that $500 billion is probably going to wash or better that $606 billion.

  • '12

    Subtract from that what the natives could have earned on their land had it not been taken.

    Again, no doubt lots of room for improvement.  But if we want people to fend for themselves, we cannot allow them to be held hostage to tyrants that government policies have empowered.

    Hey Garg, remember that genocide thingee that was mentioned?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ormOIlOi4Vc&feature=share

    I had to google “International Common Law Court of Justice” to make sure it wasn’t some tambourine banging pot smoking fringe group of hippies.  Seems it carries a bit more weight then some hippies, not by much…we are talking about the UN…

    Just had another update and link sent to me…

    http://itccs.org/2013/02/25/guilty/

  • Liaison TripleA '11 '10

    Subtract from that what the natives could have earned on their land had it not been taken.

    Well what would the Christians have earned if they still had Turkey?

    or the British if they still had America?

    Is the Canadian public going to pay those bills -for the rest of time- too?

    And for the record - Reservations of which there are many are thier native land.  Including Casino’s, bridge tariff’s, diamond mines oh my…

  • '12

    If it was their land they could go to a bank and get loans against it in order to develop it, but they cannot, so it is not really their land the same way the land is owned by non-nativeland holders.  My buddy cannot get a mortgage on his house on native land in order to expand his business as he really does not own the land, the band does.  There is no way for him to get a mortgage.

    The money that is being paid goes to corrupt band leaders while kids live in third world conditions.  It is only the fault of non-natives in that we don’t have performance metrics published for all to see.  Its hard enough to reveal financial dealings of the band leaders personal finances and many and varied connections to band business.

  • Liaison TripleA '11 '10

    Whilst I feel deeply for your friend that he “can’t get a mortgage” from his land on native property…

    What he does get from the band - is a monthly paycheque if I’m not mistaken, and many other benefits.  So long as he actively campaigns for uncorrupt leadership.

    And your friend could always go and get a mortgage/line-of-credit for his business on it’s own right (So long as the business plan is legit), or a mortgage on a regular property -not on reserve-.

    So your friend really faces no discrimination - only advantage.

    Furthermore, #1- your friend was given his home for -free-, and doesn’t pay rent.

    Furthermore, #2- by not buying a regular house, your friend is using the reservation as a business tax haven (his right to do!) hence why he can’t get a mortgage.

    Furthermore, #3- many canadians can’t afford to buy $500,000+ homes, (the average price of a house in BC.) and in effect are -rent- paying homeless.

    Furthermore, #4- the government feels the need to tax canadians who don’t have homes, to pay for your friends home, subsidize him, and give him a tax haven for his business, because he has a better skin color.

    Furthermore, #5- Are you not insulted that your friend thinks he should be able to mortgage/levy against something the canadian people gave him.

    Be it resolved then - that your friend has no complaint or line of argument because any canadian would choose to trade places with your friend.

    Be it also resolved - that if your friend wants to get a mortgage he can -BUY- his OWN property with his OWN money, like everyone else, and mortgage it if he so chooses!

  • '12

    Just saying if we expect natives on reserves to generate wealth, we ought to encourage changes in laws to give them the tools to do so whilst putting an end to the cronyism that occurs now.


  • give them the tools to do so whilst putting an end to the cronyism

    No Casino’s without cronyism ….on Indian lands. We got a number of these “operations” and needless to say they are entirely run by the tribes down to the dishwasher.

    Major banks don’t really do business on Indian reservations due to laws that do not apply that protect these institutions. Of course, the tribes could form their own bank or lending institution but it won’t make more money than those casinos…

  • '17 '16 '15 '14 '12

    banks are casinos

Suggested Topics

  • 23
  • 27
  • 49
  • 17
  • 19
  • 8
  • 10
  • 2
Axis & Allies Boardgaming Custom Painted Miniatures

36

Online

17.0k

Users

39.3k

Topics

1.7m

Posts