Seeing Hooker was never going to take the offensive, Lee pulled two more Divisions, those of South Carolinian RH Anderson and Georgian Lafayette McLaws from in front of Hooker and led them himself against Sedgwick in conjunction with Jubal Early. It was to be a day of frustration for Lee, as he could not prod McLaws forward and get the 3 division attack going. Sedgwick withdrew over Banks’ Ford when he lost Marye’s Heights to Early.(Early had a great battle.)
This was the cue for Hooker to call the campaign over and he withdrew over US Ford on the 5th. Casualties were high for the four day battle: 13000 for Lee and 17000 for Hooker. Lee’s proportion was too high, considering he only had 60000 to start with.
Lee and the South had bettered an army twice the size of their own and given Virginia breathing space. Lee’s next move, as it had been in 62, after a victory, was to move North.
Gettysburg awaited.
Jackson would never again be Lee’s “right arm”’ as he passed away on the 10th from complications from his amputation.
His last words were: let us cross over the river and rest in the shade of the trees.
Godwin's law
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
It states: “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.”[2][3] In other words, Godwin observed that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably makes a comparison to Hitler or the Nazis.
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Over here that ratio goes down considerably.
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call me a sceptic, but I don’t think studies like this are creditable because you would have to follow every online conversation to get a proper result, and I certainly don’t trust those nazis at wikipedia.
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I would also imagine that, given enough list growth and given enough time, virtually any subject is bound to get mentioned eventually – so in this respect, Godwin’s Law strikes me as being merely a special case of the infinite monkey theorem.
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@CWO:
I would also imagine that, given enough list growth and given enough time, virtually any subject is bound to get mentioned eventually – so in this respect, Godwin’s Law strikes me as being merely a special case of the infinite monkey theorem.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem!!!OIOO OOAHHA AHHA EEE!!!
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It is worrying how easily and quickly you pull up pictures of primates, Garg.
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@CWO:
I would also imagine that, given enough list growth and given enough time, virtually any subject is bound to get mentioned eventually – so in this respect, Godwin’s Law strikes me as being merely a special case of the infinite monkey theorem.
This.
I see the 3rd post proved the theory right for this thread. Way to ruin the suspense, Grasshopper
No, wait. The original poster is guilty. Is that why you made “0” a choice, Linkon??
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This is the Nazi’s fault.
If they hadn’t had started killing people…
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This is the Nazi’s fault.
If they hadn’t had started killing people…
By that logic, Cancer would be the opening word of every conversation ever.
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Gm01
Yes, I did allow the 0 poll option for “This Forum”.
Let’s face it, about 75-80% of the Axis discussion’s for this board in general is about the Nazi’s.
And I think that on sides of the general game, 65 % of strategy comments direct to the Axis. -
Let’s face it, about 75-80% of the Axis discussion’s for this board in general is about the Nazi’s. And I think that on sides of the general game, 65 % of strategy comments direct to the Axis.
Which makes sense. The three main Allied nations recognized that the biggest threat among the three main Axis nations was the threat posed by Nazi Germany (hence their “Germany first” overall strategy). I think it was Richard Overy, in his book Why The Allies Won, who described Nazi Germany as being “in a different league altogether” than Japan when it came to its military punch (in terms of both the numbers of divisions it could field and the degree to which those divisions were armoured or mechanized). As for Italy, it occupied the #3 spot on the list of perceived Axis threats: Gordon Prange’s book Miracle at Midway (if I remember correctly) colourfully refers to Italy as “the tail of the Axis kite.”
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Ironically though, they took out Italy first.
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Soft underbelly
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Ironically though, they took out Italy first.
Yup. As the least dangerous Axis nation, it was the easiest one to knock out of the war first – at least on paper. The British in particular (unlike the Americans) liked to think of Italy as the “soft underbelly of the crocodile”. The problem is that Italy’s topography – basically a long line of mountains running up the middle, with narrow lowlands along both coasts – makes it excellent terrain for a determined defender, which the Germans under Kesselring proved to be when they took over much of Italy after the Italians surrendered to the Allies.
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Re Italy: Pick on the weakling! Nasty allied nations.
At least we are still better at football.
Fighting in Italy still tied down some very good German Divisions.
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Re Italy: Pick on the weakling! Nasty allied nations.
At least we are still better at football.
Fighting in Italy still tied down some very good German Divisions.
Despite the terrain advantage I think it was almost 1-1 in numbers of Divisions engaged, so the Germans were worse off overall.However you choose to look at it - I think it’s safe to say… alot of good soldiers died.
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However you choose to look at it - I think it’s safe to say… alot of good soldiers died.
Amen