Preview Copies of 1940 Second Edition Arrived

[Cow]

ugh usa is missing lots of stuff… it is like they forgot to list usa.

[djensen]

@Gargantua:

Russia (Europe) is the same.

Germany is the same except -1 artillery.

No time to check the others.

Typo.

[Cow]

ah this is just europe haha.

[Gargantua]

No I think you are right on Berlin?  I checked the setups…

the US fighter is a typo CONFIRMED though.

COW, a strategic bomber IS a real bomber… tactical bombers are different.

[Gargantua]

YEP, you were right D, typo on Germany and USA.

Check the box covers here yourself.

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=28201.30

EVERYTHING IS THE SAME AS ALPHA 3 SETUP SO FAR, except I haven’t double checked UK.

[Cow]

lame oh well. was really hoping the allies would be fun to play for once. As soon as the pacific connects to europe for a global game, that is it.

Europe alone is about even, pacific alone favors japan, hence global favors axis.

Nothing you can really do about Japan though, you nerf it and japan doesn’t even get to blow up, you buff usa and it makes KJF the dominant strategy.

Was expecting some changes in the europe half.
Maybe a couple more russian inf or something. I’d like -1 inf italy -1 inf berlin. -1 inf greater southern germany.

[Panther]

US now start with major ICs instead of minor ICs.

(Deleted - this is for Europe only.)

[djensen]

I included the photo on the setup chart page. Just click on it to get a larger version.

http://www.axisandallies.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/922ae08.jpeg

[Panther]

@Gargantua:

…
EVERYTHING IS THE SAME AS ALPHA 3 SETUP SO FAR, except I haven’t double checked UK.

Checked UK (europe): It is the same as Alpha3, too.

[Cow]

you can win so many games with a surprise take over washington move, only works the first time though.

Damn, one of my full cheese strategies is ruined.

See what you would do is on g2, get carriers and transports and a destroyer, that is all you need. load one carrier with italy fighters. ship it to sz 103 on g3. you can build carriers on normandy g3, so you can get more of your air in the fight on g4.

Bam take down east usa.

your odds are pretty good if some of your subs made it out of round 1.
~
now that usa has a major ic… it can drop 10 inf. BOO

All in strategy that only worked once in a blue moon ruined. whatever

[Panther]

Now that we know the Pacific- and Global setup, too,
it turns out that the one and only difference in the (Global) Setup is in Egypt:

Alpha 3:

• UK: 2 Infantry, 1 Mechanized Infantry, 1 Artillery, Naval Base
• Anzac: 2 Infantry

Global 2ndEd:

• UK: (2-1=) 1 Infantry, 1 Mechanized Infantry, 1 Artillery, Naval Base
• Anzac: 2 Infantry

[Witt]

I think Alpha3 was only 1 Inf .
Krieg said to make it 2, if you played Europe only, because you then omit the 2 Anzac.

[Panther]

@wittmann:

I think Alpha3 was only 1 Inf .
Krieg said to make it 2, if you played Europe only, because you then omit the 2 Anzac.

Look at

http://www.harrisgamedesign.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=6149

It says: “Egypt: 2 Infantry, 1 Mechanized Infantry, 1 Artillery, Naval Base” for UK-Setup and 2 ANZAC Inf.

Now it is, according to djensen in

http://www.axisandallies.org/p/whats-new-in-axis-allies-pacific-1940-and-europe-1940-second-editions/

“Egypt: 2 ANZAC infantry and remove 1 UK infantry”

The initial startup for UK-Infantry in Egypt is 2 according to the new Europe setup charts.

So for Global startup it is one UK Inf remaining in Egypt.

Pretty clear - as I think.

… although I am not sure if this was intended - because this seems to be the only change in the setup compared to the latest Alpha3 …

[Witt]

Did not think you would make a mistake Panther. I downloaded Alpha 3 in Jan 12, after you guys pointed me that way. That version says one Inf.
Will look at the link later. (Even I sometimes have other work responsibilities!)
Thank you.

[Panther]

@wittmann:

…
(Even I sometimes have other work responsibilities!)
…

:lol: I know what you mean…  :lol:
I’m glad having a day off today, so I have the time to read and compare… (at least this morning)
:-)

[Witt]

I see now. I had downloaded Com Jennifer’s Alpha 3 Thread posted on 12th Oct 2011.
Will get Europe next week and all will be rosy!

[Bob_A_Mickelson]

I noticed one change on the Pacific map. 1st Edition “British Columbia” and “Yukon Territory” with Canadian roundels have been merged into 2nd Ed “Western Canada” with a UK roundel. Definitely wont matter in 99.99998% of games but nevertheless it is a change.

[oztea]

In the name of all that is good and holy……why did they put a UK symbol in Western Canada.
What ever happened to being CONSISTENT?

Now I have to use my old boards with the new pieces…

[Panther]

Anyone noticed any other differences (except Egypt setup and Western Canada) so far?

[WILD BILL]

@oztea:

In the name of all that is good and holy……why did they put a UK symbol in Western Canada.
What ever happened to being CONSISTENT?

Now I have to use my old boards with the new pieces…

Good question, because the income (1 IPC) from what is now Western Canada (merged Yukon & British Columbia) didn’t change, and still goes to UK Europe right. I don’t see much of an impact from a game stand point from the merger of these two Canadian territories, but it will probably PO a few Canadians on the boards losing a territory, and the identity roundels LOL.

Looks like the line separating sz5, and sz 6 was redefined and lines up better with the borders of Korea & Amur.

Kinda disappointed that they didn’t make the edges of the map line up better in the US. Thought they might have taken this opportunity to re-draw the US Pac side to match up with the US Euro side better and have the sea zones also line up from edge to edge too. I would have purchased Pac40 2nd edition for sure if this was done, probably won’t now.

It will be nice to download/print the setup cards (now), and the new rulebook (Alpha) when it is made available. Will be nice to have it all in one booklet and organized, instead of my ever changing crossed off, and added here & there pieced together set-ups and Alpha rules  :roll:

I am most interested in changes to the NO’s. The Russian spread of Communism to be exact, was it tweaked maybe to only include territories in Europe and the Mid East, or maybe to not include 0 IPC territories?  Are there any changes to the NOs from the last Alpha posted on Larry’s site?

djensen, when you have time, please post the NO’s that are used for Global 2nd edition.

Thanks Wild Bill