Thanks gentlemen, looks I need to read the rules closer!
Pacific 1940 2nd Edition
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Can I say it for all of us: why not have used this excellent opportunity to give France its own sculpts?
Am so happy for Italy’s of course. -
I agree I’m rolling my eyes that we still have blue russians.
Thank you for posting the pics I asked for it’s much appericated.
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Thumbs down on the French tank and Mig fighter, but at least they got an AA gun (also borrowed from the Soviets).
I would prefer the old french artillery instead of the new blue Russian one.I also propose a switcheroo of UK/ANZAC pieces:
the old ANZAC M3 halftrack mech shall remain as the ANZAC mech (obtained under lend lease from USA or something)
the new ANZAC “Ram Kangaroo” mech becomes a Canadian unit (and proud of it)
the old ANZAC infantry, artillery etc also become Canadian
the old UK M3 halftrack shall remain as the mech for UK
the UK new “priest” kangaroo mech shall go directly into the garbage can. It is just too awful to place on the board.After sealion, Canada fights on with their $7 a turn and capitol moved to Ottawa. Minimal effect on the game but vastly more correct and fun to play as Britain.
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I really want to try the Canadian capital option, but do not play enough and have as yet not had a successful Sealion.
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I have set up the 2nd Edition next to the first edition and here are some observations:
- USA has no bombers on the map.
- Japan has 8 less air on the map.
- UK has 2 less air on the map.
- Japan attack on UK on turn 1 is less lucrative.
- USA and ANZAC navy’s are bolstered to some degree.
- There are more land units of Japan and China in Asia.
I believe that with the new setup the balance of play is much better. I played the first edition against a guy named “Jake” previously and anyone knowing Jake will understand why I never played again. He could take Japan and destroy anything the Allies did, even with giving the Allies many additional units. Hint: Jake would lose air units before ground units in Asia. With 8 less planes I do not believe that will be happening as much.
Carl
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Yea Carl, EVERYONE including my dog could dominate the pacific in OOB.
That’s why the Alpha rules came in - which ARE Second Edition.
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I must say I am happy with all the new sculpts but I really wish they would change the US fighter from the P-38 to the P-51 or the Corsair…:(
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I must say I am happy with all the new sculpts but I really wish they would change the US fighter from the P-38 to the P-51 or the Corsair…:(
or hellcat seeing as they already have the mold
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Agreed. I think it is too big and can not always balance on a carrier!
I would also love if A&A got really anal and had 2 Fighters of which,the more expensive, could only land on Carriers.
Learning to land on a Carrier was not the same as using a runway. Experienced pilots could not be replaced.
I also hate that a Fighter can fly 4 and fight and land on Carrier it did not start from, replacing the one that did. -
@wittmann:
Can I say it for all of us: why not have used this excellent opportunity to give France its own sculpts?
Am so happy for Italy’s of course.Because they will probably save this ‘opportunity’ as a selling point for future games…
Imagine the draw of having unique French sculpts appearing in a Mediterranean theater-scale game!
You’ll buy it. I’ll buy it. Wizards (wisely) isn’t putting all of its available eggs in the Global '40 basket.
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@wittmann:
Can I say it for all of us: why not have used this excellent opportunity to give France its own sculpts?
Am so happy for Italy’s of course.Because they will probably save this ‘opportunity’ as a selling point for future games…
Imagine the draw of having unique French sculpts appearing in a Mediterranean theater-scale game!
You’ll buy it. I’ll buy it. Wizards (wisely) isn’t putting all of its available eggs in the Global '40 basket.
You are absolutely correct. I’ve bought every edition of Axis and Allies, regardless of any flaws or setup issues. I know Larry has mentioned before he won’t be doing an African theater map, but maybe he will if Wizards is holding out on new French sculpts (correct me if I’m wrong about any major battles in NA involving the French).
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@wittmann:
Can I say it for all of us: why not have used this excellent opportunity to give France its own sculpts?
Am so happy for Italy’s of course.Because they will probably save this ‘opportunity’ as a selling point for future games…
Imagine the draw of having unique French sculpts appearing in a Mediterranean theater-scale game!
You’ll buy it. I’ll buy it. Wizards (wisely) isn’t putting all of its available eggs in the Global '40 basket.
You are absolutely correct. I’ve bought every edition of Axis and Allies, regardless of any flaws or setup issues. I know Larry has mentioned before he won’t be doing an African theater map, but maybe he will if Wizards is holding out on new French sculpts (correct me if I’m wrong about any major battles in NA involving the French).
And who knows…perhaps in a later edition they’ll even have designated units for the Dutch and the Canadians, who as a starting point already have their own roundels printed on the game map.
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We would like that, but remember Krieg denied that when we last asked about it.
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French sculpts = stupid. I’m not paying for a unit that I put on the board once, then remove on the FIRST turn of the FIRST round and then never use again. It’s bad enough I have Blue Aircraft carriers sitting in that box.
Canadian sculpts… maybe for AA D-day but that’s long gone. We are not even a playable power in the game! I got over that long ago. To be honest even ANZAC sculpts are borderline. Be happy the French got their own infantry, complete with smoking jacket.
I’m glad almost everyone has their own full set now, especially Italy. But I’m not going to cry over the fact that France doesn’t get it’s own Bomber which will never EVER be used.
However I am still bumbed the setup got rid of that Awesome-looking Russian Battleship… :x
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It wouldn’t have cost them anything more to make the French tank a Matilda or Sherman instead of a T34. I suppose if a guy was really bugged by it you could get some blue paint and make a less inappropriate french tank.
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A French T34 is arse.
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@wittmann:
Can I say it for all of us: why not have used this excellent opportunity to give France its own sculpts?
Am so happy for Italy’s of course.Because they will probably save this ‘opportunity’ as a selling point for future games…
Imagine the draw of having unique French sculpts appearing in a Mediterranean theater-scale game!
You’ll buy it. I’ll buy it. Wizards (wisely) isn’t putting all of its available eggs in the Global '40 basket.
You are absolutely correct. I’ve bought every edition of Axis and Allies, regardless of any flaws or setup issues. I know Larry has mentioned before he won’t be doing an African theater map, but maybe he will if Wizards is holding out on new French sculpts (correct me if I’m wrong about any major battles in NA involving the French).
Hi Munchie,
I was thinking of a map with the Med in the centre, bordered by Southern Europe (top), the Middle East (right), North Africa (bottom), and Gibraltar (left), the gateway to the Atlantic.
With a 1940 start date, and considerably zoomed in terms of scale and unit count, France would still be a major force to be reckoned with in that theatre, on the ground, in the sea, and in the air.
Such a game would justify the creation of new French sculpts and almost certainly need rules to cover the split between Vichy France and Free French forces; I could see French units being produced in an additional color to represent this (yellow?). The main battle for France could take place offstage to the North, with Vichy rules coming into play on Turn 2 or some such. The UK and Free French would represent the only Allied elements present.
Italy could finally have a game wherein it plays the most dangerous Axis antagonist, with Vichy France in a minor support role… Germany could be entirely absent from the game (the Afrikakorps and other ‘donated’ German elements were nominally under Italian command, and so could be represented by additional Italian reinforcements coming in from the North).
…Or, if this seems to unlikely to you, imagine a “Battle for Paris” A&A game where the French and British need to hold out against a German assault for a set number of turns (which exceeds their historical performance) to win. That might also be playable, and would require a more representative set of French sculpts as a sale point.
@CWO:
And who knows…perhaps in a later edition they’ll even have designated units for the Dutch and the Canadians, who as a starting point already have their own roundels printed on the game map.
I hope you’re right, Marc! You can always house rule them in, but it’s preferable if the franchise recognizes fan interest and produces the materials (sculpts & playtested set-ups) to support their inclusion.
I think that some sort of ‘South Pacific’ battle game could justify the production of Dutch units (even if we only got an infantry sculpt for them, that would suffice IMO), and a ‘Battle of the Atlantic’ game do the same for the Canadians (again, even if only the infantry sculpt were unique and the rest were UK units in a different colour, I’d probably be satisfied with that).
What we’re all looking for, I believe, is greater war-gaming detail in a war game that was designed to be light in complexity compared its uglier-looking and clunkier hex-based cousins. But because we prefer looking at miniatures instead of endless cardboard chits, adding complexity means adding more and prettier plastic pieces… which Wizards has a virtual monopoly on (canonical and iconic sculpts, at least). So, until we reach a threshold in terms of the kinds of units and the number of nations we would like to see them included in, we are in the pocket of that company, who will presumably keep slow-rolling out new sculpts in new games (until that practice becomes unprofitable, obv).
This is an arrangement I’m more or less happy to support – I’ll end up buying Global 40, for example, mostly for the new sculpts, which can be used for house rules in other versions of the game – though at the end of the day I wish Wizards was more active in its marketing of the brand, and in developing a relationship with its customers. One has only to look at its threadbare and never-updated website for Avalon Hill to see the kind of indifference it has towards us as a market group… :|
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A somua s35 could be made from all the old British Shermans. That’s my plan. and the Japanese tank will be made into a Chi-ha late variant as the sculpt is some weird chi ha top with Hago running gear.
Oh and that UK Mech inf, is a good basis for a M3 Lee/Grant which the Anzacs used a lot of in the pacific after the Brits moved on to the Shermans.
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I hope you’re right, Marc! You can always house rule them in, but it’s preferable if the franchise recognizes fan interest and produces the materials (sculpts & playtested set-ups) to support their inclusion.
In any case, HBG and FMG have seen that there’s a market for high-quality, correctly-sized additional sculpts for the A&A games, in identical and supplementary colours, so people who create house rules involving secondary powers can get the sculpts for them from these suppliers even if WotC never includes them in the official games.
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Well, Marc, maybe that’s kind of the way it should be. WOTC provides the games and a basic set of pieces, FMG provides an expanded set of the basic with some additional sculpts and HBG provides alternate versions and supplemental units (like self-propelled artillery, tank destroyers, armored cars, etc.)
By the way guys, I just pre-ordered Europe 40 2e and Pacific 40 2e from 12-7 Games for $57.99 each. Any orders over $100 get free shipping so even one copy of each game will get you free Priority shipping. Mine was WELL over that (cringe). Still, looking forward to the games and new pieces.
12-7 and Miniature Market are so far the only places I can find the pre-order for the '40 games. I couldn’t find it on Coolstuffinc or Amazon. Anybody have some idea as to why?
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