Taking charge of the wehrmacht in late 1941


  • Well ,then I would propably messed up by pulling my Forces back and trying to regroup.
    As babaric the order of Hitler was against the good advise of his Staff, it still kept him in good shape for the Sommeroffense. Since I would have listend to my Generals and pulled back the Frontline, I would have to rethink the Strategy for the next summer having lost a lot of good personell and heavy equipment by Soviet counterattacks.

    Trying to reinforce Army Group North and South for the summer then and finding a weak spot in the South, I would still try to go to the Caucasus as well ,depending on my losses and the losses of the Russians and their exhaustion.
    Shorter supply routes and the better range of my Bombers and Fighters would allow me to still think positiv and agressiv.

    I would eliminate the SS Divisions and SS-Police Divisions and refilling my losses with them towards Waffen-SS and Wehrmacht personell. I would demand higher production rate at home and figuring out ways of simplify Tanks and mobil Artillery modells. I would not declare War on America. Seeing how that would play out.


  • The OP has posed a good question. I’ll start off by saying that I’m willing to take shameless advantage of data the Germans didn’t have, and of 20/20 hindsight. With that data, that hindsight, and plenty of time to think about all this, I’ve come up with what I feel is a decent plan.

    1. Pull back on the Eastern front to shorten supply lines. Yes, this represents the surrender of valuable, hard-fought ground. But pulling back will allow me to better feed and reammunition my troops; and will also make it easier to provide them with winter clothing. I’m surrendering some of the strategic initiative on the Eastern front, but I’m keeping the core of my army strength intact.

    2. Transfer some strength to the border with Turkey.

    3. Meet with Turkish leaders and congratulate them on the fact that Turkey will be joining the Axis. When they point out that they have not, in fact, agreed to join the Axis, my rebuttal is, “Turkey will be joining the Axis whether you guys agree or not!” That’s the stick. The carrot is the opportunity for them to reclaim much of the territory Britain took from the Ottoman Empire at the end of WWI. Hopefully this carrot and stick approach will be enough to get Turkey to join.

    4. Become more aggressive at seizing food supplies in conquered Polish, French, and Soviet territory. Some of the later steps will require ready access to food, and Germany’s wartime food situation was abysmal. Seizing food from conquered territory was their only real option for freeing up large quantities of additional food.

    5. Inform the people in conquered territories that if a young man volunteers for service in the German military, his family will receive a substantial food bonus. A bonus which might make the difference between life and death. This will allow me to add large numbers of French, Polish, and Soviet soldiers to my army.

    6. If a division described in 5) fights well in a particular battle, the food bonus is increased by 20%. If it fights poorly, the bonus is decreased by 20%. If a soldier is killed in combat, his family receives the bonus + 40% for the rest of the war.

    7. Using Turkey as my base, I would want to strike north into the Caucasus, east toward Iraq and Persia, and southwest toward Egypt. Turkish soldiers would be part of these offenses, as would any other Muslims I could convince to fight for me. I’d be willing to make substantial promises to encourage as many Muslim men to join my army as possible.

    8. In 1942, my approach toward the Soviet Union would be opportunistic. If there was a chance to launch an offensive the Soviets didn’t expect, and achieve a highly favorable exchange rate, I’d do it. But other than offensives like those, my default posture would be defensive.

    9. I would not undertake a V1 or V2 campaign against Britain. However, I would tell Werner von Braun to develop longer ranged, more advanced Aggregate Series rockets as quickly as possible.

    10. I would also proceed full bore with chemical weapons research and manufacture. Germany was at least ten years ahead of the Allies in the development of new chemical weapons. If a nation used a nuclear device to destroy one of my cities, I would use chemical weapons to destroy two of his. These chemical weapons would be delivered to their targets via the Aggregate Series rockets described in 9).

    11. I would also allocate large numbers of engineers to jet aircraft development, E-Series tanks, long range Panzerfaust weapons, assault rifles, and Type XXI U-boats.

    12. By 1943, I should be strong enough to launch a limited offensive in the Caucasus. The hope would be for the prong from Turkey to join the prong from the main German Army. However, all the newly trained Polish, French, Soviet, and Muslim soldiers I’ve added to my army will be largely balanced out by the huge numbers of new recruits added to the Red Army. So I won’t be able to crush the Soviet Union just yet.

    13. In 1945, at least 40% of my military production should be converted to Wunderwaffen; assuming there’s a relevant Wunderwaffen for the category in question. For example, at least 40% of my sub production for that year should be Type XXI U-boats, 40% of my handheld anti-infantry weapons should be assault rifles, 40% of my tank production should be E-Series tanks, and 40% of my aircraft production should be jets. I’d want that percentage to increase to at least 70% by 1946.

    14. By 1947 it would at last be time to launch a major offensive against the Soviet Union. My force ought to be numerically superior to the Soviets’ due to all the non-Germans I’ve added. The German component of my army will be equipped with significantly better weapons than their Soviet counterparts. Germany will have air supremacy over the battlefield due to all its jets. Access to oil from the Persian Gulf and the Caucasus will solve many of my supply problems. Instead of using rail + horse (as oil-poor Germany was often forced to do) I can use large numbers of military trucks to deliver supplies to the front.

    15. Hopefully I take control before Germany has declared war on the U.S. Even with the U.S. technically neutral, I still have to worry about America’s vast production capacity being used to destroy me. But at least its nominal neutrality gets me out of having to face the U.S. Army. On the other hand, pro-war forces inside the U.S. would probably succeed in getting America to go to war eventually; just as they succeeded in getting us into WWI. But even a delay of a year or two would be highly useful for my purposes.

    16. If the U.S. did go to war, I’d have to counter the American offensive in three ways. First, I’d use a substantial part of my German and non-German forces to deal with the American threat. Second, I’d use large numbers of jet aircraft to challenge America’s dominance over the skies. Third, I’d use smart bombs, such as the Fritz X, to attack American shipping. The more American troop ships and supply ships I sink, the harder it will be for the U.S. to sustain a European offensive. And the easier it will be for me to push them back into the sea.

    17. Type XXI U-boats would prove devastating against Allied shipping. This would be my defense against American arms shipments to the Soviet Union and Britain. These U-boats would also interfere with food shipments to Britain; thereby potentially forcing the British to abandon their demand for unconditional German surrender.

    18. With the Soviet Union defeated, and Britain forced to negotiate an end to hostilities, the time would come to convince America to give up its own demand for unconditional surrender. This would be difficult. After having neutralized hostile elements in Europe, Asia, and Africa, I’d need to build a substantial fleet. With a sufficient number of u-boats, aircraft carriers, jets, destroyers, and other ships, I could achieve dominance in the Atlantic; and begin blockading American ports. Shelling American ports. Conquering useful-looking islands in the Caribbean to use as bases for future operations. With sufficiently long-ranged bombers, such as the Horten H.XVIII, I could begin a campaign of strategic bombing against most American military production centers. Hopefully by this point American politicians would see reason, and accept the fact that America could not convince Germany to surrender unconditionally in this war any more than it could have convinced Britain to unconditionally surrender in the War of 1812.

  • Liaison TripleA '11 '10

    I would get as much Nazi gold into a swiss bank as soon as possible and disappear with the money.  USA was in it, and the gig was up.

    Maybe i could sell information for my amnesty - inglorious basterd style!


  • Germany already lost the war by late 1941. The decision tree should have been changed before June 41. Perhaps even just after France was defeated, Germany had a decent chance but wasted a whole year doing nothing and let Herman squander planes, let the pro fascist government in Yugoslavia get ousted, and bailed out Italian folly in Greece/ Crete.


  • As the new German national leader I would first focus the war effort in the East in destroying the Soviet garrison of Sevastopol. I would then move to take Leningrad.

    I would recommend the front to remain on the defensive. The Germans gave the Red Army a nasty defeat in the Second Battle of Kharkov. I would hope to inflict several such defeats on the Reds in counter attacks.

    I would enter the Winter of 42 in Peace talks; while rearming for a another push for Moscow if Peace could not be met.


  • starting to see a general theme developing here :-D


  • I would enter the Winter of 42 in Peace talks

    But Stalin was only interested in these talks in October 41 ( about Oct 16-18th) when Germany was around Smolensk. He had to decide to stay or leave Moscow to be taken and was preparing to get on his train and a second time was early in 42. By late 42 the war created changes that would not make peace possible that would benefit Germany.


  • @Imperious:

    I would enter the Winter of 42 in Peace talks

    But Stalin was only interested in these talks in October 41 ( about Oct 16-18th) when Germany was around Smolensk. He had to decide to stay or leave Moscow to be taken and was preparing to get on his train and a second time was early in 42. By late 42 the war created changes that would not make peace possible that would benefit Germany.

    True. I would hope in stopping, encircling and destroying several Soviet attacks. Stalin would be compelled to listen to peace talks.


  • Hindsight being what it is, go for peace.

    Russia knew it was beat. Germany should have dictated terms (Russia gave up in WW1, why not in WW2?)

    If the military solution is the only one, than I would say ‘drive on to Moscow’.  The shift of forces for Germany cost them time they did not have.  The Caucus may have been a better initial goal, but leaving a corporeal in charge of the military leads to screw ups.


  • Slowly begin self destructing the German army from within with ill thought out offensives…so basically keep doing what the Germans did.

  • '17 '16

    1. End the racism side of National Socialism and and act like a liberator in the Soviet Union. A lot of people didn’t like being under the yoke of Stalin and the Soviet Union.    2. A very high priority given to getting winter gear now to the troops.  3. The  no retreat order was wrong the line needed to be pulled back and settled in for some winter quarters. Winter offences take a toll on your troops and equipment. Only in hindsight do we now know that the no retreat order worked but I feel that still they should have put the troops in a position of staying warm,refitting,defending and making plans for the '42 drive on Moscow or the Caucasus. You really need to end this war in the east this '42 year so you can turn your attention to the defense of the Third Reich. America is coming. I don’t think the Germans realized what America’s production was really capable of, it boggles the mind.  4. Do not declare war on the U.S. Plan for a war but make them declare it. Make sure that U.S. flagged ships are off limits that will be the catylist for the U.S. to declare war. i.e. WWI.


  • @General:

     1. End the racism side of National Socialism and and act like a liberator in the Soviet Union. A lot of people didn’t like being under the yoke of Stalin and the Soviet Union.Â

    Yes, a lot of people in the western USSR would have been quite happy to be freed from Stalinist domination if the Germans had marched into the region with a progressive agenda and tolerant attitudes, which in turn would have been beneficial to the German war effort since controlling a region as liberators is a lot less work-intensive than controlling it as conquerors.  However, the chances of “ending the racism side of National Socialism” were basically zero since racial and ethnic intolerance was a concept woven throughout the fabric of Nazi ideology, and a core principle of Hitler’s view of the world.  The only way for the German war effort on the Eastern Front to have been divorced from its anti-Semitic, anti-Slav, anti-Bolshevik elements would have been for the Wehrmacht to assassinate Hitler prior to Barbarossa, arrest and/or kill the other senior members of the Nazi regime, neutralize the SS, and to take control of the country as part of some sort of alternate regime – possibly a military junta fronted by a nominally civilian administration – which would want to extend the war to Russia rather than keeping it confined to Britain (or better yet seeking peace with Britain by blaming the war on Hitler).


  • @General:

    1. End the racism side of National Socialism and and act like a liberator in the Soviet Union. A lot of people didn’t like being under the yoke of Stalin and the Soviet Union. 2. A very high priority given to getting winter gear now to the troops. 3. The no retreat order was wrong the line needed to be pulled back and settled in for some winter quarters. Winter offences take a toll on your troops and equipment. Only in hindsight do we now know that the no retreat order worked but I feel that still they should have put the troops in a position of staying warm,refitting,defending and making plans for the '42 drive on Moscow or the Caucasus. You really need to end this war in the east this '42 year so you can turn your attention to the defense of the Third Reich. America is coming. I don’t think the Germans realized what America’s production was really capable of, it boggles the mind. 4. Do not declare war on the U.S. Plan for a war but make them declare it. Make sure that U.S. flagged ships are off limits that will be the catylist for the U.S. to declare war. i.e. WWI.

    Good post! :)

    1. End the racism side of National Socialism and and act like a liberator in the Soviet Union.

    I agree with this up to a point. However, it’s worth noting that the Western democracies had imposed a food blockade on Germany; and the Soviet Union used scorched earth tactics to destroy or remove food supplies, crops, and farming equipment. Germany’s food situation/food shortfall was so dire that 20 - 30 million people would starve or otherwise be exterminated.

    The German government had the ability to influence–but not completely control–which 20 - 30 million people starved. The plan had been to starve captured Soviet cities. But Germany lacked the manpower needed to prevent food from flowing from captured Soviet farms to captured Soviet cities. The plan to starve these cities mostly failed. As a consequence of this failure, Germany was unable to feed the Soviet POWs working in German weapons plants; even though Hitler had ordered this latter group to be fed.

    2. A very high priority given to getting winter gear now to the troops.

    Agreed. Germany’s inability to adequately clothe its troops was a consequence of its lack of oil and its resultant supply problems. Given a relatively static front, Germany would use coal-powered trains to move supplies most of the way toward its troops, and horses to move supplies the rest of the way. This supply system could not work as intended during a rapid advance; both because Stalin destroyed the rail lines leading into the Soviet Union (scorched earth) and because the Soviet rail gauge was different from Germany’s anyway. To supplement this supply system, Germany used a limited number of military trucks and a limited amount of fuel.

    This allowed its supply system to stretch somewhat beyond the limits of the normal train-and-horse system. But toward the end of '41, Germany had reached the limits of even this motorized supply system. Not only were German troops inadequately supplied with winter gear, they lacked adequate food supplies, ammunition, or medical supplies. Your suggestion of a minor withdrawal would have helped the supply situation.

    You really need to end this war in the east this '42 year so you can turn your attention
    to the defense of the Third Reich. America is coming.

    The Reich leadership was aware of the above. Had Germany conquered as much Soviet territory in '42 as it had in '41, Stalin’s ability to offer further resistance would have been crippled. Unfortunately for Germany, the Soviet Union’s production was overwhelming. During '42, the Soviets produced 3 - 4 times as much as Germany in nearly every major land weapons category; and produced almost twice as many military aircraft. Add to that the fact that no German medium tank from '42 was as good as the T-34, and the situation became dire. To make matters worse, Germany had expected to encounter 200 Soviet divisions. By late '41, the Red Army consisted of a staggering 600 divisions–several times the strength of its German opponent.

    4. Do not declare war on the U.S. Plan for a war but make them declare it.

    Agreed. Pro-war politicians and members of the economic elite would have succeeded in getting the U.S. into the war eventually, almost no matter what Hitler did. But the strategy you have suggested would have bought Hitler some time. Granted, the U.S. would still have been wildly producing weapons, and would have sent those weapons to the Soviet Union and Britain. But if the U.S. was technically at peace, perhaps that flow of weapons into Europe would have been somewhat slower. Also, Germany wouldn’t have had to deal with the U.S. Army–at least not until the U.S. eventually declared war. That army was in Algeria in late '42, in Italy in '43, in France in '44, and in Germany in '45. Had Hitler been able to delay the U.S. declaration of war by two years, that would have bought him two extra years in which the German Army could focus most of its attention on the Soviet problem.

    The reason Germany declared war in December of '41 was because Hitler believed, probably correctly, that war with the U.S. was inevitable; and because he thought he saw an opportunity to sink the massive numbers of American ships sending tanks, planes, artillery, and other weapons to the Soviet Union and to Britain. Germany’s sub war against those ships was initially a success, and may have allowed German summer offensives against the Soviet Union to have been more successful than would otherwise have been the case.

    Possibly Germany’s best strategy would have been to seek to conserve its strength and delay Allied successes. Between '42 and '44 Germany tripled its weapons production. Also by '44, Germany had deployed or was close to deploying some very advanced new weapons. Jets, air-to-air missiles, air-to-surface missiles, smart bombs, by far the best handheld anti-tank weapons of the war, assault rifles, Entwicklung Series tanks, and Type XXI U-boats. If by '45 its strength had remained relatively intact, it’s quite possible these new weapons would have allowed it to defeat the Soviet Union in the east, while holding its own in the air and sea war in the west.


  • …but what would be your decissions as a leader in charge of the Wehrmacht in’41 KurtGodel7 and General Haig ??

    @poloplayer15:

    The Battle of Moscow has just ended in a German Defeat. Hitler is killed in an automobile accident and you are now in charge of leading the Germans through the Winter and subsequent summer offensive. You are still convinced that the war can be one so surrender or making peace is out of the Question. Leningrad and Sevastopol are sill being besieged. You have the strength for only one of your three army groups to launch an offensive. What is your proposed offensive to the OKW?

    Racism was only a political instrument so as the Food blockade, but what would you choose to do in 41?

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    @poloplayer15:

    The Battle of Moscow has just ended in a German Defeat. Hitler is killed in an automobile accident and you are now in charge of leading the Germans through the Winter and subsequent summer offensive. You are still convinced that the war can be one so surrender or making peace is out of the Question. Leningrad and Sevastopol are sill being besieged. You have the strength for only one of your three army groups to launch an offensive. What is your proposed offensive to the OKW?

    Another crack at Moscow was not going to happen.  That is obvious.

    Likely I would have felt just as the Germans did that Leningrad would fall with more pressure, but I would not have deprived them of the units needed to complete the task as Hitler did.

    For a major offensive, I probably would have gone with Operation Blue and driven to the Caucasus as well.  It would have made sense in that the oil (assuming the wells could be captured intact) were sorely needed.  The success of the operation would have gone a long way in persuading Turkey to join the Axis, thereby contesting all of the Middle East.

    Hopefully I would not have been caught in the same trap as Hitler and divide up my forces and try to accomplish 2 tasks at the same time, and leave Stalingrad alone until the south was secured.  But chances are I would have gambled on trying to  take it quickly, just as Hitler did.  (I may be a wargame addict, but I am no real life general).

    With Hindsight, I agree with the others that a negotiated settlement was the best way to go to end things.

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    At this point in time, I think the US was the major exporter of oil.  The big oil fields in Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia hadn’t been discovered or exploited yet.

    I believe.


  • @jim010:

    At this point in time, I think the US was the major exporter of oil.  The big oil fields in Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia hadn’t been discovered or exploited yet. I believe.

    The oil industry in Saudi Arabia at that point was still in its infancy, but Iran and/or Iraq were significant producers (I can’t recall if it was one or both).  Richard Overy’s book Why The Allies Won states (based on a reference I can’t recall to a book which analyzes the role of oil in WWII) that by around 1941 most of Britain’s oil was coming from the Americas.


  • @aequitas:

    …but what would be your decissions as a leader in charge of the Wehrmacht in’41 KurtGodel7 and General Haig ??

    Excellent question. Hitler had two problems:

    1. The Western problem. The U.S. in particular had more weapons production capacity than Germany. Neither FDR nor Churchill had any interest in a negotiated settlement. FDR’s death didn’t help anything: Truman dropped two atomic bombs on Japan because the Japanese wanted a conditional surrender (with very reasonable conditions); whereas Truman insisted on an unconditional surrender. Any German war strategy has to assume that British and American willingness to reasonably negotiate was precisely zero.

    2. The Soviet problem. There was a concern that, once Stalin felt the U.S.S.R. was ready for war, and once he felt Germany had been sufficiently weakened by the Western democracies, the Soviet Union would invade. Even the mere threat of Soviet invasion would force Germany to deploy large numbers of divisions on its eastern front; thereby weakening its ability to resist an Anglo-American invasion of France or Italy. If Germany ever became sufficiently weak, or Stalin sufficiently strong, a potential Soviet invasion would become an actual invasion.

    Had Germany been able to completely solve one of these problems, it would probably have been strong enough to hold out indefinitely against the other. But the combination of these two problems spelled near-certain strategic doom. Germany had several options for solving these problems:

    1. Chemical weapons. German chemical weapons technology was at least ten years ahead of the Allies’. The United States was willing to use nuclear weapons against civilian populations. A civilian killed by a nuclear weapon is no less dead than a civilian killed by chemical gas. If the U.S. was willing to use nuclear weapons to force Japan to exit the war in '45, perhaps Germany should have considered using chemical weapons on London or Manchester to force Britain to agree to peace in '40. Chemical weapons could also have been productively used on the eastern front; both in pitched battles such as Kursk; and against besieged cities like Leningrad. The downside to this strategy is that the Allies would have responded with chemical weapons of their own; albeit with less effective chemical weaponry than Germany.

    2. Delayed war against the Soviet Union. As Imperious Leader pointed out, there was a period in late '41 when Stalin wanted peace. Had Germany contented itself with the Soviet territory it had already conquered, it could have bought itself several years of having no eastern front. Hitler could have also delayed the U.S. entry into the war by several years by refusing to declare war against the U.S. With neither the U.S. nor the Red Army turned against Germany, Hitler could have turned his attention to Turkey. Turkey could have become a springboard into the Middle East. Not only would Middle Eastern territorial gains weaken Britain’s ability to resist; Germany would also gain vital oil supplies. Its food problems could be resolved through grain imports from the Soviet Union, as part of the peace treaty between Hitler and Stalin.

    It could be pointed out that this second option would merely delay Germany’s problems without actually solving them. An actual solution would need to come from four things. 1) Use the threat of chemical weapons to offset the strategic threat of America’s nuclear program. 2) Recruitment of large numbers of non-Germans to serve in the German Army. 3) Dramatic increases in military production. 4) A significant technological edge over the Allies in jets, handheld antitank weapons, tanks, aircraft-launched missiles, u-boats, and other important categories. Had Germany been successful at all four categories, the world might have entered a three-way cold war; with the democracies on one side, Germany on another, and the Soviet Union on a third side.

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    1. The Western problem. The U.S. in particular had more weapons production capacity than Germany. Neither FDR nor Churchill had any interest in a negotiated settlement. FDR’s death didn’t help anything: Truman dropped two atomic bombs on Japan because the Japanese wanted a conditional surrender (with very reasonable conditions); whereas Truman insisted on an unconditional surrender. Any German war strategy has to assume that British and American willingness to reasonably negotiate was precisely zero.

    Well said.

    2. The Soviet problem. There was a concern that, once Stalin felt the U.S.S.R. was ready for war, and once he felt Germany had been sufficiently weakened by the Western democracies, the Soviet Union would invade. Even the mere threat of Soviet invasion would force Germany to deploy large numbers of divisions on its eastern front; thereby weakening its ability to resist an Anglo-American invasion of France or Italy. If Germany ever became sufficiently weak, or Stalin sufficiently strong, a potential Soviet invasion would become an actual invasion.

    I thought that I had read somewhere that Kruschev (or some other political figure) stated that Stalin viewed the Soviet Nazi Non-aggression Pact as stalling for time.  That the intention was to act when the timing was right and teh German invasion f’ed that all up.  That would support your statement if I remembered that right.
    Had Germany been able to completely solve one of these problems, it would probably have been strong enough to hold out indefinitely against the other. But the combination of these two problems spelled near-certain strategic doom. Germany had several options for solving these problems:

    1. Chemical weapons. German chemical weapons technology was at least ten years ahead of the Allies’. The United States was willing to use nuclear weapons against civilian populations. A civilian killed by a nuclear weapon is no less dead than a civilian killed by chemical gas. If the U.S. was willing to use nuclear weapons to force Japan to exit the war in '45, perhaps Germany should have considered using chemical weapons on London or Manchester to force Britain to agree to peace in '40. Chemical weapons could also have been productively used on the eastern front; both in pitched battles such as Kursk; and against besieged cities like Leningrad. The downside to this strategy is that the Allies would have responded with chemical weapons of their own; albeit with less effective chemical weaponry than Germany.

    Might have also hardened the Allied stance against Germany even more.

    1. Delayed war against the Soviet Union. As Imperious Leader pointed out, there was a period in late '41 when Stalin wanted peace. Had Germany contented itself with the Soviet territory it had already conquered, it could have bought itself several years of having no eastern front. Hitler could have also delayed the U.S. entry into the war by several years by refusing to declare war against the U.S. With neither the U.S. nor the Red Army turned against Germany, Hitler could have turned his attention to Turkey. Turkey could have become a springboard into the Middle East. Not only would Middle Eastern territorial gains weaken Britain’s ability to resist; Germany would also gain vital oil supplies. Its food problems could be resolved through grain imports from the Soviet Union, as part of the peace treaty between Hitler and Stalin.

    Are you suggesting an invasion of Turkey or winning them over?  An invasion I think is a non-starter.  Terrain would be VERY difficult to conduct operations on the scale needed.

    It could be pointed out that this second option would merely delay Germany’s problems without actually solving them. An actual solution would need to come from four things. 1) Use the threat of chemical weapons to offset the strategic threat of America’s nuclear program. 2) Recruitment of large numbers of non-Germans to serve in the German Army. 3) Dramatic increases in military production. 4) A significant technological edge over the Allies in jets, handheld antitank weapons, tanks, aircraft-launched missiles, u-boats, and other important categories. Had Germany been successful at all four categories, the world might have entered a three-way cold war; with the democracies on one side, Germany on another, and the Soviet Union on a third side.

    Interesting thought.

    I still think gas attacks would simply have justified the use of nukes in the eyes of the Allies.  As you pointed out, they had no problems with dropping the bomb … twice.  And fire bombing was just another means to an end.


  • Pull back make lines shorter and hope withe a good defense you can force a peace at some point no way the Germans could of ever win world war 2 . The biggest mistake they made was a invasion of Poland cause that brought the United Kingdom into the fight and the sun never sets on the British empire

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