XDAP-2: Onward! Defrosted Tuna Team vs Death by Dice

[Noll]

Asking a change of OOL without a re-roll on the knowledge of 2 fighters missing for 3 rounds (6@3 all misses) is a cheap move.

Keeping the rolls with 1 less units for Germany starting round1 is also a cheap move.

[Guest]

@ghr2:

Just make sure that for every battle now, ask the OOL.

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=27306.60

[Noll]

In fact we just re-rolled everything :/

[ghr2]

Clearly we are in a pickle.

[Most Holy]

Someone wake me when it’s time for Italy to buy Infantry please.

[ghr2]

@Most:

Someone wake me when it’s time for Italy to buy Infantry please.

At this rate, good night Rip Van Winkle

[Noll]

I want to post my reasoning here instead of pming people.

Q: Noll, why did you damage a carrier instead of asking OOL?
A: For two reasons:
First: as they urged us to finish the game I wanted to play fastly. I even wanted to bomb Japan’s IC in Malay and decided to NOT just to have not to ask if he wanted to intercept with his 1 fighter.
Second: my attack power was enough to guarantee a hit on the carrier around round 2 or 3. So I tought the most wise thing for Japan was maximizinv fhe damage to my fleet (by taking the hit on he carrier) and to try to save 2 german air by landind them in normandy (and also protect normandy froma landing as Germany didnt had a counter attack for it.

Q: what happen next?
A: after round 1 I basically missed all my hits for 3 rounds, resukting in a disastrohs -48 tuv for usa. But during British turn I had an unexected turn of luck: I tried a landing in normandy with 1 inf and 2 artiklery against 2 fighters and 1 tac. Bomber. I scored enoigh hits to killl all his air due to sheer luck.

Q: and then?
A: then Canuck after seeinv hiw the turn went asked for a different order of losses and provides me to an edited save file of USA’s turn where he keeps my and his rolls (even though that in the event he killed 1dd or 1ss in the first round he had to roll 1 less dice for 3 rounds) and ask me to re-do the british turn. I don’t agree and here’s my reasoning:

The average score of the american battle should have crippled that carrier. The defender should not know that “I will miss” enough rounds to keep the carrier intact. Also he shouldnt even know I might kill 3 air with 3 land units.

Q: So what did you propose?
A: To rsstart the game from the OOL assignment and roll from there to be fair. So I rolled the battle using the forum roller and it appears I s ored round2 enough hits to cripple the carrier anyway.

[Noll]

Q: and what happens next?
A: after seeing my rolls my enemy complains and calls the tournament moderator, the redt iz writted in this post.

Q: why you’re posting this?
A: As I beliebe this is an unfair treatment  I hope Gargantua will read this and judge this situation more accurately.

Q: Why these pozts are full of misspells?
A: I’m writing with a small smartphone.

[Canuck12]

I didn’t call the tournament moderator.

I was hoping we could resolve this like adults without crying to anyone.

If you fuck up, you live with the consequences and dice have to stand. We all live and die by this rule. The game began with a mispost on my part. The game file didnt post to the thread so I redid the turn and it posted fine. HOWEVER, people WERE sent dice from my first file, the first dice were ABYSMALLY worse than the second but I had to live with them. We used the first unposted file,

This is how the game is played.

We are all waiting on your UK turn Noll.

[Noll]

When people agrees something, they agrees. In this situation you’re deciding (unfairly).
Did you notice that with your savefile you rolled 1 more dice than what you had each turn? In every other game in this forum situations like this name a re-roll, because as you want to change the OOL what if I don’t want to retreat my troops? There’s variants to account.
I’m not the only one that believes this is unfair. If you check the game Vance posted, I rerolled on a similar situation a battle that went very well for me, scoring less in the second file. I didn’t complain.

I’m not going to post UK at your conditions, you can ask me to concede though, as I don’t like playing with cheap players that need such adjjustements to have a chance.

[Gargantua]

After reviewing appeals.

My ruling stands.

Proceed by redoing the british turn.  It is the most -reasonable- solution for both parties.

[ghr2]

This reminds me of the Packer/Seahawk Game.  Oh well, just deal with it noll, just ask after every single roll for the OOL, if they want this game to take forever, then so be it.

[Noll]

So I lost 1 ameri an sub round2/3  to a virtual destroyer… mosf reasonablee?

Ryan please do UK.

[ghr2]

Sigh, ok

[ghr2]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3 Final, version: 3.3

Game History

Round :7

Combat Move - British
            4 submarines moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 carrier and 1 fighter moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from Gibraltar to 110 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Morocco to 91 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries, 1 infantry and 2 transports moved from 91 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 109 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 109 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
            2 artilleries moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
            4 fighters moved from 98 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Syria to 95 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Burma to Yunnan
            1 infantry moved from Burma to Shan State
            1 fighter moved from India to Yunnan
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Shan State

[ghr2]

Scramble?

[ghr2]

And OOL for battles

[666]

@Most:

Someone wake me when it’s time for Italy to buy Infantry please.

that was pretty funny

[666]

@Canuck12:

I didn’t call the tournament moderator.

I did. Wanted to keep this train wreck moving….

[666]

so we are waiting on Most Holy now. I remember why I prefer one on one games……