L18 BM3 G40 BSD (L) vs AetV (X+5) Game II

JDOW

Neutrals are different. This is not like italy declaring war on Russia and then can fly over unlimited over red territories.

JDOW

Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Italians from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral

TripleA is correct here. After the dow all neuttals become axis friendly and not just a hostile ( such as russia becomes hostile adter german dow)power as you claimed.

BSD

@JDOW:

Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Italians from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral

TripleA is correct here. After the dow all neuttals become axis friendly and not just a hostile ( such as russia becomes hostile adter german dow)power as you claimed.

Ah OK, I forgot that they go Pro. Since that is the case then I agree that you probably can’t attack behind the territory with planes, but I would like to still wait for the ruling. Thanks.

JDOW

Thanks for acknowledging. And I am also curious about the ruling.

BSD

@JDOW:

Thanks for acknowledging. And I am also curious about the ruling.

Yeah, me too.

BSD

What is the story here? Is someone giving us a ruling?

aequitas-et-veritas

@BSD:

What is the story here? Is someone giving us a ruling?

Good morning BSD, the best way in our case would be that you redo your US and UK turn if you changed your mind regarding the NC (neutral crush).

2nd Option:
You stick to the NC with outvome, without the Yugo attack.

3rd Option:
NC as is without Yugo and new targets for your Bmbrs and you roll it here.

In case you need an official word from a Mod. beside the one from JDOW, you or me could contact Gamerman01 to leave a comment in here.

Usually you write a question in the forum Q&A and an official is giving you an answer.
Most of the time P@nther, Gammerman01 or Krieghund provide the answers.

Please let me know what you want to do.

AetV

JDOW

Usually, gamerman is the rule deputy and rules in sich cases. I asked him alreasy via facebook but it might help if you write him a pm. Indonnot know else can rule here.

aequitas-et-veritas

Will do it.

gamerman01

@BSD:

Here is the way i see it:
1. Can planes fly over countries that I am at war with? Yes
2. Am I at war with Spain? Yes
Therefore I can fly over Spain since I am at war with them.

You don’t declare war on neutral countries. Triple A is wrong about that. Krieghund has made this very clear.

You are not at war with Spain. You attacked Spain and Yugoslavia at the same time. At the time of the combat movement, Spain is still NEUTRAL. When a territory was neutral at the start of your turn, as Spain and Yugoslavia were, you cannot fly over them except to attack them directly (with that particular air unit). So planes cannot ever fly over Spain if Spain was not previously attacked by anyone, unless that aircraft itself is attacking Spain.

aequitas-et-veritas

Thank you Gamerman01.

How will you proceed BSD?

BSD

OK, thanks for the ruling. I will redo the Allies turns starting with USA. Will take the turn later tonight or early tomorrow. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

aequitas-et-veritas

@BSD:

OK, thanks for the ruling.Â I will redo the Allies turns starting with USA.Â Will take the turn later tonight or early tomorrow.Â Sorry for the misunderstanding.

No Problem BSD.
Thank you for your Patience. I hope you still have fun and a good time.

BSD

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.3

Game History

Round: 17

Purchase Units - Americans
Americans buy 4 artilleries, 7 infantry and 7 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 10 Sea Zone to 1 Sea Zone
2 fighters moved from Western United States to 1 Sea Zone
1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium
2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Holland Belgium
4 fighters moved from 110 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium
2 armour, 4 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
2 armour, 4 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux

Combat - Americans
Battle in Holland Belgium
Americans attack with 6 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
Germans defend with 2 infantry
Americans roll dice for 6 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 4/8 hits
Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 1/2 hits
1 infantry owned by the Americans and 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Holland Belgium
Americans win, taking Holland Belgium from Germans with 6 fighters and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
Battle in 1 Sea Zone
Americans attack with 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 submarine
Japanese defend with 1 submarine
Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 1 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits
Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 1 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/3 hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 1 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits
Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 1 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits
1 submarine owned by the Japanese lost in 1 Sea Zone
Americans win, taking 1 Sea Zone from Japanese with 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine
Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
Americans attack with 2 armour, 4 artilleries and 6 infantry
Germans defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
Americans roll dice for 1 cruiser in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 1/1 hits
Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 1/1 hits
1 infantry owned by the Americans and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Normandy Bordeaux
Americans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from Germans with 2 armour, 4 artilleries and 5 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Americans
2 fighters moved from Holland Belgium to United Kingdom
2 fighters moved from Holland Belgium to 110 Sea Zone
2 fighters moved from Holland Belgium to 110 Sea Zone
5 bombers moved from Gibraltar to United Kingdom
3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone
2 fighters moved from Eastern United States to Iceland
3 artilleries, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 3 infantry and 3 transports moved from 101 Sea Zone to 123 Sea Zone
3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from 123 Sea Zone to Iceland
1 fighter moved from Western United States to 26 Sea Zone
1 carrier moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
1 destroyer moved from 25 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
1 mech_infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt
1 fighter moved from Belgian Congo to Egypt
2 fighters moved from 1 Sea Zone to Western United States
1 artillery moved from Alaska to British Columbia
2 aaGuns and 1 mech_infantry moved from Western United States to Central United States

Place Units - Americans
7 transports placed in 101 Sea Zone
3 artilleries and 7 infantry placed in Eastern United States
1 artillery placed in Central United States

Turn Complete - Americans
Americans collect 61 PUs; end with 61 PUs
Trigger Americans 7 North Africa Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 66 PUs
Trigger Americans 6 Western Europe Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 71 PUs
Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 76 PUs
Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 81 PUs
Objective Americans 8 Pacific Airfields: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 86 PUs
Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 96 PUs

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BSD

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.3

Game History

Round: 17

Purchase Units - Chinese
Trigger Chinese Artillery Supplies: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Open
Chinese buy 2 artilleries and 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
1 artillery and 8 infantry moved from Kweichow to Shensi

Non Combat Move - Chinese
1 fighter moved from Kiangsu to Shensi

Place Units - Chinese
2 infantry placed in Manchuria
2 artilleries and 4 infantry placed in Shensi

Turn Complete - Chinese
Chinese collect 21 PUs; end with 21 PUs
Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 24 PUs

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BSD