I’m new to P2V but like what I’ve seen so far and think this will be my favorite version of global.

I think the combination of the added NOs in the Pacific along with the Jap CA & marine at the Carolines brings back the possibility of the Pearl Harbor attack being viable. I did this in a play test vs myself with the following moves:

3 fig, 3 tac, 1 SS, 1 DD to Pearl
CA + marine to SZ 33/Gilbert Islands
TT from SZ 7 to SZ 32/Wake Island
2 BB, 1 CA, 1 DD, 1 SS, 2 TT to SZ 36, take both Philippines territories

NC all 3 CVs to SZ 32 to land planes, replace any lost with those from Japan (should be 1)

1 DD to SZ 27 to block

1 CA left in SZ7 to pick up Marine built J1 which will take Guam on J2. CA/Marine that took Gilbert on J1 will take Wake on J2. That gives you both Pacific Island NOs.

Japan made 48 IPCs J1, 62 J2. The fleet that went to the Philippines J1 can take Borneo/Celebes J2, and Java/Sumatra J3 and kill the tiny UK or AZ fleets that may get in the way. By doing the PH attack you’ve taken out 2 of the 4 US ships which can carry troops and delayed their advance in the pacific by a turn. Also pretty much forces US to spend in the Pacific which helps Germany.

The re-drawn map has it’s advantages and disadvantages. The attacks I’ve laid out allow for single ships to take islands without fear of counterattack due to the extra SZs and the islands bordering multiple SZs. Since a Calcutta Crush is impossible with the extra SZ off Malaya, I think a more methodical strategy by Japan is optimal. Use your initial advantage to kill as many Allied ships as possible, thereby saving money which may otherwise be spent on ships to get more land units into China and heading south on TTs.

@barnee wow, that was fast, thanks a ton man. got it working. let me know if you ever wanna join a game sometime. its usually 1v2 with my two bros, always looking to make it a 2v2.

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If it’s a J1 attack then the US will already have the factory upgrades in rd1. So 4 bombers rd1, 6 bombers rd 2. As for the other planes, I fly all the planes the US starts with (assuming PHI is dead) to Hawaii. 4 can land on Hawaii, 2 on the carrier, then all down to Queensland next turn.

So if it’s only strats that can attack, and we assume the entire original IJN is in one sea zone minus 2 DDs assumed to be used for blocking, you’re looking at all 5 capital ships damaged, both DDs dead, and planes having to land on land. Then between UK and AZ you’ve got another 2 DDs, 2 CAs, and 6 planes to attack the wounded IJN, before even adding in any purchases. IJN may end up with a few ships left, but they will have to backtrack to a naval base to repair and join with newly purchased ships to create a fleet stronger than what the US has.

Also, if the IJN is parked off Malaya, the Allies need to hold only 1 territory bordering SZ 37 and the fg/tacs from Queensland can also join the attack.

Granted, a good Jap player probably won’t let this happen but the mere threat makes the entire corridor from Queensland/Malaya/DEI/India very treacherous to navigate. Typically the Japs will pull back to the Philippines to consolidate the fleet and have kamikaze’s available. But if they do that and therefore don’t kill India within the first 4-5 rounds, that’s already a big win for the allies. If the allies are able to take back any DEI before rd 4 that just provides even more landing spots for planes and less places the IJN can safely navigate. Hard to Japan to be a threat to win if you’ve cut them off from India and started to drain their income.

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@simon33 said in WW2 Path to Victory - Strategies:

@regularkid said in WW2 Path to Victory - Strategies:

@simon33 i like it! you’d need to be prepared to sacrifice air in the Pearl Harbor battle to save the destroyer though, or risk of a 58% hit on the japanese fleet by wake (by my calcs). But otherwise looks pretty solid to me. I might try this in a game.

Well, you can reinforce on NCM if needed.

i think even with max reinforcement of the wake seazone on ncm, u still need a destroyer by hawaii to prevent a 50/50 on the wake fleet. perhaps i’m overlooking something tho.

Pretty sure he meant send the DD to Hawaii on NM, not Wake. We’re just saying you dont’ want to send anything extra during combat because if US doesn’t scramble those units would be wasted.

@simon33 I’ve played it out now a couple times and I agree some adjustments would be more optimal. Some thoughts based on my experience:

-Have both TTs that go the Philippines unload on Davao. That way the battle can be won without any planes. Getting the naval and air base can be pretty important for the J2 moves depending on where UK/AZ boats are. Manilla can easily be mopped up on J2.

-I think sinking the Prince of Wales is pretty important, so I would send 1 fig and 2 bombers there. Allowing that battleship to live when you’re only operating with around half your fleet strength in the south can be pretty limiting on J2/J3 if the allies get aggressive counterattacking. Makes it very risky to further divide the fleet.

-I’m fine with sending just about everything from Kwangsi to Yunnan. Sending an inf to Hunan and/or Kweichow isn’t really worth it, they are nearly guaranteed to be killed on C1.

-I still like using the Carolines CA/marine to take Gilbert islands. 5 IPC NO and it’s otherwise not an important area that you’re likely to be taking the fleet to any time soon, and by doing PH you’re also preventing US from taking it right back. It’s the same expected net payoff from taking Borneo (3 IPCs for J, -3 for allies, 33% chance of losing an inf if Borneo inf hits).

-As far as taking Wake, it’s not a necessity with the re-drawn map since planes can land on the Marshalls, allowing us to take damage on the carriers if US counter attacks. If they choose not to scramble at Pearl they can come back with 4 fig, 1 tac, 1 strat. Expected result is 3 damaged carriers and a lost plane. -43 IPC expected result for the US and will kill their offensive capabilities for a couple turns. OTOH, you could guarantee no counterstrike and prevent US from getting a 5 IPC NO by taking it.

Also I wasn’t sure what you meant by “if you attack from SZ24”. What would plan to even have there at the end of J1? It appears from your move list you are only sending 2 carriers land planes from the Pearl attack. In that case I would absolutely want to take Wake, as that fleet could be seriously damaged by a US counterstrike. My numbers above assume all 3. Also allows the 2 strats to be of more use on J2 strat bombing India or something.

That being said, you can do Borneo, Davao, and Gilberts if you skip Wake and given how costly it would be for the allies to do that counterstrike, it would probably be worth it to skip.

@simon33 said in WW2 Path to Victory - Strategies:

Still a bit surprised by going for PH with 3CVs when 2+1 bomber would do. Seems like a compromise to enable attacking the UK BB. Third CV is really useful around the DEI.

If you need to go for Guam to stop the US objective, does that mean you aren’t taking Wake?

And you still aren’t taking Borneo then. Dislike that.

We are taking Borneo. To be clear the TTs/marine are allocated as follows:

2 TTs to Davao
1 TT to Borneo
1 TT to Guam
Marine to Gilberts

I’ve found PH attacks with only 2 CVs to not accomplish much. Having all 3 off Wake forces to US to play less aggressively for a turn, which gives you an extra turn to build up in the DEI and FiC. Also, assuming you buy mostly TTs J1, you have a real threat of taking Hawaii if US doesn’t block. If you only have 2 you need to start retreating them immediately on J2.

As Japan I’m fine with Anzac attacking Gilberts, that gives me an easy kill of their TT, and also their CA if they send it for the bombard. And one less TT for the allies to retake any DEIs.

Lastly, regarding Wake vs Guam J1: Wake is far easier for the US to retake later. And a TT off Guam can get units into China J2, whereas a TT off Wake will need 2 turns to do anything useful.

@barnee wow, that was fast, thanks a ton man. got it working. let me know if you ever wanna join a game sometime. its usually 1v2 with my two bros, always looking to make it a 2v2.

@barnee yeah we have a small consistent play group, that would be fine. Can you make strat bomber movement 7 also please (8 from airbase). Thanks a ton!

@barnee Thanks for the response. I do chat with creators from time to time but they seemed to have moved on to other interests for the most part.

Any chance I could get you interested if we just cut it down to #1 and #3, and possibly a change to strat bomber movement?

@barnee Thanks for the quick response. The map we would like changes is WW2 Path to Victory. The changes are as follows:

1. Reduce Fighter and Strat Bomber attack power to 2 (no change to defense).
2. Merge SZ 115 and SZ 116 into one.
3. Eliminate the feature of harbors giving ships extra movement.
4. Make repairs to airbases occur during the “place units” phase.
5. Change the calculation for convoy damage to occur at the end of each power’s turn for the subs which they own. For example, at the end of Germany’s turn, compute convoy damage for each German sub which ends Germany’s turn in a convoy zone, and subtract the the number of IPC from the powers owning the neighboring territories at that time. If neighboring territories are owned by more than one power, divide the damage proportionally (rounded to the nearest whole IPC) based on each territory’s IPC value.
6. Make Battleships roll two die at a value of 4 when bombarding (not regular combat).
7. If a transport is carrying an AA gun and is attacked by enemy planes, the AA gun will fire at planes using standard AA gun rules (roll a die at 1 at up to a maximum of 3 planes).

Thanks for your time and let me know if anything requires clarification.

If you have experience editing/creating games & maps on triple A, we have a project for editing an existing game we would like assistance with. Willing to pay for your time.

@simon33 said in WW2 Path to Victory - Strategies:

Still a bit surprised by going for PH with 3CVs when 2+1 bomber would do. Seems like a compromise to enable attacking the UK BB. Third CV is really useful around the DEI.

If you need to go for Guam to stop the US objective, does that mean you aren’t taking Wake?

And you still aren’t taking Borneo then. Dislike that.

We are taking Borneo. To be clear the TTs/marine are allocated as follows:

2 TTs to Davao
1 TT to Borneo
1 TT to Guam
Marine to Gilberts

I’ve found PH attacks with only 2 CVs to not accomplish much. Having all 3 off Wake forces to US to play less aggressively for a turn, which gives you an extra turn to build up in the DEI and FiC. Also, assuming you buy mostly TTs J1, you have a real threat of taking Hawaii if US doesn’t block. If you only have 2 you need to start retreating them immediately on J2.

As Japan I’m fine with Anzac attacking Gilberts, that gives me an easy kill of their TT, and also their CA if they send it for the bombard. And one less TT for the allies to retake any DEIs.

Lastly, regarding Wake vs Guam J1: Wake is far easier for the US to retake later. And a TT off Guam can get units into China J2, whereas a TT off Wake will need 2 turns to do anything useful.

@simon33 we normally play with a 6 bid. We also normally do take Gilberts with the Marine. Send all 3 Carriers to land planes that attacked Pearl Harbor so you don’t need to take Wake to prevent counter attack. Extra TT is used to take Guam to prevent US from getting that NO.

We don’t take Celebes J1, save that for J2.

@simon33 said in WW2 Path to Victory - Strategies:

If the Bid is at least 6 to the Axis, adding a TT in SZ7 and doing a J1 should be pretty awesome. You can claim the Carolines objective as well as doing the Pearl Harbour attack. Main risk being if the Borneo attack goes bad (even though above it was listed as 100%, it should be 98%). This also means you don’t have to worry about claiming that objective in later turns, which saves hassle for Japan. It is likely this will delay getting the DEI but that isn’t so important any more and it is better to grab all the other islands to stop ANZAC and USA objectives.

This is a pretty popular bid use in our group, with a slight variation. We usually put the TT with the Carolines fleet to use the inf there that are normally stranded while increasing the amount available for TTs to pick up from Japan on J2/J3. You can still get all the DEI on J2 if you are willing to sacrifice a TT in 45 (worth it from a net IPC perspective). The rest of the southern fleet can consolidate in 42 and be safe from a UK or AZ attack.

@malmessi74 Yeah, understandable. I am in US as well. If you want to start one by forum we can just keep posting the game file.

@malmessi74 I just meant logging on to triplea at the same time and playing live vs playing by forum. Not against doing the latter, though if that’s the only way it works for timing.