L18 BM3 G40 BSD (L) vs AetV (X+5) Game II

[JDOW]

Yep. This sounds absolutely logic the me. I aaked gamerman too but to me it seems that your move was not legal. Neuttal crush csn give you extra ncm options not the option to attack „behind“ a neutral after a fly over.

[JDOW]

And just to emphasize again because you said it wrong. You may fly over spain after it was attacked. But you cannot e.g fly over sweden then unless you attacked it or germans took it.

[JDOW]

But very interesting situation. Curious if gamerman confirms too:-)

[BSD]

You guys are confusing True Neutral with Pro Axis/Allied neutrals.  Once I declare war on all True Neutral powers, then I am at war with all of them regardless of if i initiated a move into their territory or not.

[BSD]

If Spain was a pro-Axis Neutral then you’d be correct that this is not a legal move because I must initiate combat with them before flying over.  But since Spain is a Neutral country, then I am at war with them in my political phase after I DOW the True Neutrals and I can fly over them in combat phase just like I could any other country or zone that I am at war with.

[JDOW]

No. This kust just wrong. Just read the triplea history. After you declare war tontje neuttals they become axis friendlY. Not more.

[JDOW]

So as said. In your next turn im this game. You csnt just fly ober eg venezuela unless you attack it.

[JDOW]

Neutrals are different. This is not like italy declaring war on Russia and then can fly over unlimited over red territories.

[JDOW]

Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Italians from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral

TripleA is correct here. After the dow all neuttals become axis friendly and not just a hostile ( such as russia becomes hostile adter german dow)power as you claimed.

[BSD]

@JDOW:

Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Italians from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral

TripleA is correct here. After the dow all neuttals become axis friendly and not just a hostile ( such as russia becomes hostile adter german dow)power as you claimed.

Ah OK, I forgot that they go Pro.  Since that is the case then I agree that you probably can’t attack behind the territory with planes, but I would like to still wait for the ruling.  Thanks.

[JDOW]

Thanks for acknowledging. And I am also curious about the ruling.

[BSD]

@JDOW:

Thanks for acknowledging. And I am also curious about the ruling.

Yeah, me too.

[BSD]

What is the story here?  Is someone giving us a ruling?

[aequitas-et-veritas]

@BSD:

What is the story here?  Is someone giving us a ruling?

Good morning BSD, the best way in our case would be that you redo your US and UK turn if you changed your mind regarding the NC (neutral crush).

2nd Option:
You stick to the NC with outvome, without the Yugo attack.

3rd Option:
NC as is without Yugo and new targets for your Bmbrs and you roll it here.

In case you need an official word from a Mod. beside the one from JDOW, you or me could contact Gamerman01 to leave a comment in here.

Usually you write a question in the forum Q&A and an official is giving you an answer.
Most of the time P@nther, Gammerman01 or Krieghund provide the answers.

Please let me know what you want to do.

AetV

[JDOW]

Usually, gamerman is the rule deputy and rules in sich cases. I asked him alreasy via facebook but it might help if you write him a pm. Indonnot know else can rule here.

[aequitas-et-veritas]

Will do it.

[gamerman01]

@BSD:

Here is the way i see it:
1. Can planes fly over countries that I am at war with?  Yes
2. Am I at war with Spain? Yes
Therefore I can fly over Spain since I am at war with them.

You don’t declare war on neutral countries.  Triple A is wrong about that.  Krieghund has made this very clear.

You are not at war with Spain.  You attacked Spain and Yugoslavia at the same time.  At the time of the combat movement, Spain is still NEUTRAL.  When a territory was neutral at the start of your turn, as Spain and Yugoslavia were, you cannot fly over them except to attack them directly (with that particular air unit).  So planes cannot ever fly over Spain if Spain was not previously attacked by anyone, unless that aircraft itself is attacking Spain.

[aequitas-et-veritas]

Thank you Gamerman01.

How will you proceed BSD?

[BSD]

OK, thanks for the ruling.  I will redo the Allies turns starting with USA.  Will take the turn later tonight or early tomorrow.  Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[aequitas-et-veritas]

@BSD:

OK, thanks for the ruling.  I will redo the Allies turns starting with USA.  Will take the turn later tonight or early tomorrow.  Sorry for the misunderstanding.

No Problem BSD.
Thank you for your Patience. I hope you still have fun and a good time.