13L G40 NT Arathorn (Axis) vs. Infrastructure (Allies +13)

[arathorn]

I am surprised by your strange remarks, as they are very shortsighted.

He should of course do whatever he wants, but he is still tier 1 for now, since adjustments have not been made. I don’t even care about my 1 extra point, so that is not the deal. I don’t know why you even mention such a trivial point as I have nothing to gain/lose by him doing it.

I don’t think you understand how much impact it would have for Infrastructure and others should he choose to not do it though.

If he chooses to not claim some of those wins this season, he’ll be adjusted to tier 2, which will cause a whole range of players (18 games in total which would have 1 point less) to fall in value - this could cause his year end position to fall even further, since some of his opponents might be adjusted down as well if they’re right around the tipping point.

Just 1 example of this is his friend Stalingradski - he would lose 3 points and fall under 3,5 and would also be relegated to tier 2 - that means that all players who played Stalingradski will lose also 1 point per game there also - which is 19 games total.

This comes right back at Infra, causing him to lose 3 more points against Stalingradski and he will fall even further.

Almost everybody in the league would feel the fall in rankings, which will have an effect in a chain reaction.

Do you really think that is the smartest thing to do? I don’t care - But 2013 would’t look as pretty for a whole bunch of players.

[gamerman01]

OK, I have now received PM’s from both Arathorn and Infrastructure and have reached a binding decision that I believe is a fair and reasonable compromise.

This game will continue with the following set of facts/rules:

We will assume that 3 72 hour bumps have been properly claimed against Infrastructure.  This means that Arathorn can not call the game using league rule 5 unless and until there is 1 more 72 hour period of no game decisions (moves) made by Infrastructure.

Infrastructure has 72 hours from October 21 at 8:00 PM Central to post at least the Russian move or be declared a forfeit.
This time is chosen because this is approximately when Infrastructure came on to protest Arathorn claiming the win.

So Infrastructure has until 8:00 PM Central time October 24 to post the Russian move.  After that, you are operating with 3 properly executed bumps, so you have 72 hours after each Arathorn move to make your next move.
Under the circumstances, I ask that you post each move in a timely manner.  It is unsportsmanlike to deliberately delay moves, especially if the opponent is waiting only for a casualty choice or scramble decision.

[Major Major]

Thanks Gamerman.

[Major Major]

@Gamerman01:

Under the circumstances, I ask that you post each move in a timely manner.  It is unsportsmanlike to deliberately delay moves, especially if the opponent is waiting only for a casualty choice or scramble decision.

To clarify you say it is unsportsmanlike, but not against the rules for someone to wait close to the 3 days every single time a response is needed, correct?  Because this game has not been sportsmanlike since g2 and very much about the rules.

[Major Major]

i meant g3.

[Major Major]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 4

Politics - Russians
            Russians takes Political Action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 5 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Germany
                  Russians take Poland from Germans
            3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Novgorod to Germany
            1 infantry moved from Karelia to Finland
                  Russians take Finland from Germans
            1 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol
                  Chinese take Jehol from Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Romania
                  Russians take Romania from Germans

[Major Major]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 4

Politics - Russians
            Russians takes Political Action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 5 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Germany
                  Russians take Poland from Germans
            3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Novgorod to Germany
            1 infantry moved from Karelia to Finland
                  Russians take Finland from Germans
            1 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol
                  Chinese take Jehol from Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Romania
                  Russians take Romania from Germans

Combat - Russians
            Battle in Germany
                Russians attack with 2 armour, 3 fighters, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 10 artilleries and 1 factory_major
                    Russians roll dice for 2 armour, 3 fighters, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber in Germany, round 2 :  4/8 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 10 artilleries in Germany, round 2 :  2/10 hits
                    2 mech_infantrys owned by the Russians and 4 artilleries owned by the Germans lost in Germany
                    Russians roll dice for 2 armour, 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in Germany, round 3 :  5/6 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 6 artilleries in Germany, round 3 :  2/6 hits
                    2 fighters owned by the Russians and 5 artilleries owned by the Germans lost in Germany
                    Russians roll dice for 2 armour, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in Germany, round 4 :  2/4 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 artillery in Germany, round 4 :  0/1 hits
                    1 artillery owned by the Germans lost in Germany
                Russians captures 89PUs while taking Germans capital
                Russians converts factory_major into different units
                Russians win, taking Germany from Germans with 2 armour, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for Germans: 10 artilleries
                Casualties for Russians: 2 fighters and 2 mech_infantrys

Non Combat Move - Russians
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Novgorod to Poland
            1 cruiser moved from 115 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 115 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun and 3 infantry moved from Baltic States to Poland
            2 aaGuns, 3 artilleries and 30 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Poland
            2 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Eastern Poland
            2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia
            3 infantry moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine
            1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Baltic States
            3 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
            1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Northwest Persia
                  Russians take Northwest Persia from Neutral_Allies
            2 infantry moved from Kansu to Tsinghai
            1 fighter moved from Yenisey to Russia
            1 infantry moved from Korea to Manchuria
            1 fighter moved from Germany to Baltic States
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to Baltic States

Place Units - Russians
            2 armour and 1 mech_infantry placed in Novgorod
            2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Ukraine
            4 infantry placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 6 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,1,1
            Russians collect 49 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 138 PUs total
            Trigger Russians 1 Lend Lease: Russians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 143 PUs
            Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 12 PUs; end with 155 PUs
            Objective Russians 3 Berlin: Russians met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 165 PUs

[gamerman01]

@Infrastructure:

@Gamerman01:

Under the circumstances, I ask that you post each move in a timely manner.�  It is unsportsmanlike to deliberately delay moves, especially if the opponent is waiting only for a casualty choice or scramble decision.

To clarify you say it is unsportsmanlike, but not against the rules for someone to wait close to the 3 days every single time a response is needed, correct?  Because this game has not been sportsmanlike since g2 and very much about the rules.

Correct.

[arathorn]

@Infrastructure:

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 4

Politics - Russians
            Russians takes Political Action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 5 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Germany
                  Russians take Poland from Germans
            3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Novgorod to Germany
            1 infantry moved from Karelia to Finland
                  Russians take Finland from Germans
            1 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol
                  Chinese take Jehol from Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Romania
                  Russians take Romania from Germans

Combat - Russians
            Battle in Germany
                Russians attack with 2 armour, 3 fighters, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 10 artilleries and 1 factory_major
                    Russians roll dice for 2 armour, 3 fighters, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber in Germany, round 2 :  4/8 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 10 artilleries in Germany, round 2 :  2/10 hits
                    2 mech_infantrys owned by the Russians and 4 artilleries owned by the Germans lost in Germany
                    Russians roll dice for 2 armour, 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in Germany, round 3 :  5/6 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 6 artilleries in Germany, round 3 :  2/6 hits
                    2 fighters owned by the Russians and 5 artilleries owned by the Germans lost in Germany
                    Russians roll dice for 2 armour, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in Germany, round 4 :  2/4 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 artillery in Germany, round 4 :  0/1 hits
                    1 artillery owned by the Germans lost in Germany
                Russians captures 89PUs while taking Germans capital
                Russians converts factory_major into different units
                Russians win, taking Germany from Germans with 2 armour, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for Germans: 10 artilleries
                Casualties for Russians: 2 fighters and 2 mech_infantrys

Non Combat Move - Russians
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Novgorod to Poland
            1 cruiser moved from 115 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 115 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun and 3 infantry moved from Baltic States to Poland
            2 aaGuns, 3 artilleries and 30 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Poland
            2 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Eastern Poland
            2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia
            3 infantry moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine
            1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Baltic States
            3 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
            1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Northwest Persia
                  Russians take Northwest Persia from Neutral_Allies
            2 infantry moved from Kansu to Tsinghai
            1 fighter moved from Yenisey to Russia
            1 infantry moved from Korea to Manchuria
            1 fighter moved from Germany to Baltic States
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to Baltic States

Place Units - Russians
            2 armour and 1 mech_infantry placed in Novgorod
            2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Ukraine
            4 infantry placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 6 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,1,1
            Russians collect 49 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 138 PUs total
            Trigger Russians 1 Lend Lease: Russians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 143 PUs
            Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 12 PUs; end with 155 PUs
            Objective Russians 3 Berlin: Russians met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 165 PUs

Haha - nice move. Forgot the italians :)

But you forgot to point out that I have a LL reroll option, since the TUV swing was more than 30 from average. My Battle Calc of 2000 simulations with one surviving land unit says that average TUV swing should be -18.59, - 18.30 and 19.27. The TUV swing was +12 for you. The total swing away from average is therefore 30.59, 30.30 and 31.59.

I will reroll the battle.
That activates the reroll at the loss of 10 in income next round.

[arathorn]

(It would only let me have 2 attachments, so here comes the third)

[arathorn]

A

2 mech, 2 tanks, 3 ftrs, 1 tact = attack value of 21 = 3 hits plus 1 roll at 3.

3 hits
Rolls: 1@3; Total Hits: 11@3: (1)

D

10 art = defense value of 20 = 3 hits plus 1 roll at 2.

3 hits
Rolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 01@2: (4)

[arathorn]

3 casualties for Russians = 2 mechs and 1 tank.
4 casualties for Germans = 4 art.

A

1 tank, 3 ftrs, 1 tact = 16 = 2 hits plus roll at 4.

Rolls: 1@4; Total Hits: 11@4: (2)

D

6 art = 2 hits.

[arathorn]

3 casualties for Germans = 3 artillery
2 casualties for Russians = 2 ftrs

A
1 tank, 1 ftr, 1 tact = 10 = 1 hit + roll at 4

Rolls: 1@4; Total Hits: 01@4: (6)

D

3 art = 1 hit.

[arathorn]

BTW, you can choose to retreat after any round of attack.

1 casualty germans = 1 art
1 casualty russians = 1 ftr

1 tank and 1 tact = 1 hit plus  a roll at 1

Rolls: 1@1; Total Hits: 01@1: (2)

2 art = 1 roll at 4

Rolls: 1@4; Total Hits: 11@4: (3)

[arathorn]

At this point - I will not roll any further until I’ve heard from you.

If you choose a point of retreat after any of the previous rounds, then you can simply retreat back and change your non-combat move.

If you choose to let the last round stand, you have to choose between 1 tank and 1 tact in casualty, leaving you 1 unit against my 1 art.

If you choose the tact and press the battle, we’ll roll your 3 against my 2. If I hit, regardless of your hit or not, I keep Berlin.

Let me know what you want to do.

[gamerman01]

HOLD EVERYTHING

Infrastructure’s invasion of Berlin with ground units was not even legal in the first place.
R4 needs to be redone

[gamerman01]

However, since Infra did post the R4 move, the 72 hour clock does NOT end tonight.  It will be 72 hours from now.

[MrRoboto]

Just out of curiosity - why wouldn’t it be legal?

[arathorn]

You can only blitz a territory that is completely empty.

[JDOW]

Europe Rulebook 2nd Edition p. 15

A tank can “blitz” by moving through an unoccupied hostile territory as the first part of a move that can end in a
friendly or hostile territory

However, I apologize to invade but I cannot resist to add this fun fact.

I ran the simulation 20000 times initially and now have a look at the result! :D