13L G40 NT Arathorn (Axis) vs. Infrastructure (Allies +13)

[Major Major]

@Gamerman01:

Under the circumstances, I ask that you post each move in a timely manner.  It is unsportsmanlike to deliberately delay moves, especially if the opponent is waiting only for a casualty choice or scramble decision.

To clarify you say it is unsportsmanlike, but not against the rules for someone to wait close to the 3 days every single time a response is needed, correct?  Because this game has not been sportsmanlike since g2 and very much about the rules.

[Major Major]

i meant g3.

[Major Major]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 4

Politics - Russians
            Russians takes Political Action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 5 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Germany
                  Russians take Poland from Germans
            3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Novgorod to Germany
            1 infantry moved from Karelia to Finland
                  Russians take Finland from Germans
            1 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol
                  Chinese take Jehol from Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Romania
                  Russians take Romania from Germans

[Major Major]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 4

Politics - Russians
            Russians takes Political Action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 5 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Germany
                  Russians take Poland from Germans
            3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Novgorod to Germany
            1 infantry moved from Karelia to Finland
                  Russians take Finland from Germans
            1 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol
                  Chinese take Jehol from Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Romania
                  Russians take Romania from Germans

Combat - Russians
            Battle in Germany
                Russians attack with 2 armour, 3 fighters, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 10 artilleries and 1 factory_major
                    Russians roll dice for 2 armour, 3 fighters, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber in Germany, round 2 :  4/8 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 10 artilleries in Germany, round 2 :  2/10 hits
                    2 mech_infantrys owned by the Russians and 4 artilleries owned by the Germans lost in Germany
                    Russians roll dice for 2 armour, 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in Germany, round 3 :  5/6 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 6 artilleries in Germany, round 3 :  2/6 hits
                    2 fighters owned by the Russians and 5 artilleries owned by the Germans lost in Germany
                    Russians roll dice for 2 armour, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in Germany, round 4 :  2/4 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 artillery in Germany, round 4 :  0/1 hits
                    1 artillery owned by the Germans lost in Germany
                Russians captures 89PUs while taking Germans capital
                Russians converts factory_major into different units
                Russians win, taking Germany from Germans with 2 armour, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for Germans: 10 artilleries
                Casualties for Russians: 2 fighters and 2 mech_infantrys

Non Combat Move - Russians
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Novgorod to Poland
            1 cruiser moved from 115 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 115 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun and 3 infantry moved from Baltic States to Poland
            2 aaGuns, 3 artilleries and 30 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Poland
            2 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Eastern Poland
            2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia
            3 infantry moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine
            1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Baltic States
            3 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
            1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Northwest Persia
                  Russians take Northwest Persia from Neutral_Allies
            2 infantry moved from Kansu to Tsinghai
            1 fighter moved from Yenisey to Russia
            1 infantry moved from Korea to Manchuria
            1 fighter moved from Germany to Baltic States
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to Baltic States

Place Units - Russians
            2 armour and 1 mech_infantry placed in Novgorod
            2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Ukraine
            4 infantry placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 6 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,1,1
            Russians collect 49 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 138 PUs total
            Trigger Russians 1 Lend Lease: Russians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 143 PUs
            Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 12 PUs; end with 155 PUs
            Objective Russians 3 Berlin: Russians met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 165 PUs

[gamerman01]

@Infrastructure:

@Gamerman01:

Under the circumstances, I ask that you post each move in a timely manner.�  It is unsportsmanlike to deliberately delay moves, especially if the opponent is waiting only for a casualty choice or scramble decision.

To clarify you say it is unsportsmanlike, but not against the rules for someone to wait close to the 3 days every single time a response is needed, correct?  Because this game has not been sportsmanlike since g2 and very much about the rules.

Correct.

[arathorn]

@Infrastructure:

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 4

Politics - Russians
            Russians takes Political Action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 5 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Germany
                  Russians take Poland from Germans
            3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Novgorod to Germany
            1 infantry moved from Karelia to Finland
                  Russians take Finland from Germans
            1 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol
                  Chinese take Jehol from Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Romania
                  Russians take Romania from Germans

Combat - Russians
            Battle in Germany
                Russians attack with 2 armour, 3 fighters, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 10 artilleries and 1 factory_major
                    Russians roll dice for 2 armour, 3 fighters, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber in Germany, round 2 :  4/8 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 10 artilleries in Germany, round 2 :  2/10 hits
                    2 mech_infantrys owned by the Russians and 4 artilleries owned by the Germans lost in Germany
                    Russians roll dice for 2 armour, 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in Germany, round 3 :  5/6 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 6 artilleries in Germany, round 3 :  2/6 hits
                    2 fighters owned by the Russians and 5 artilleries owned by the Germans lost in Germany
                    Russians roll dice for 2 armour, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in Germany, round 4 :  2/4 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 artillery in Germany, round 4 :  0/1 hits
                    1 artillery owned by the Germans lost in Germany
                Russians captures 89PUs while taking Germans capital
                Russians converts factory_major into different units
                Russians win, taking Germany from Germans with 2 armour, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for Germans: 10 artilleries
                Casualties for Russians: 2 fighters and 2 mech_infantrys

Non Combat Move - Russians
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Novgorod to Poland
            1 cruiser moved from 115 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 115 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun and 3 infantry moved from Baltic States to Poland
            2 aaGuns, 3 artilleries and 30 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Poland
            2 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Eastern Poland
            2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia
            3 infantry moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine
            1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Baltic States
            3 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
            1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Northwest Persia
                  Russians take Northwest Persia from Neutral_Allies
            2 infantry moved from Kansu to Tsinghai
            1 fighter moved from Yenisey to Russia
            1 infantry moved from Korea to Manchuria
            1 fighter moved from Germany to Baltic States
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to Baltic States

Place Units - Russians
            2 armour and 1 mech_infantry placed in Novgorod
            2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Ukraine
            4 infantry placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 6 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,1,1
            Russians collect 49 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 138 PUs total
            Trigger Russians 1 Lend Lease: Russians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 143 PUs
            Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 12 PUs; end with 155 PUs
            Objective Russians 3 Berlin: Russians met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 165 PUs

Haha - nice move. Forgot the italians :)

But you forgot to point out that I have a LL reroll option, since the TUV swing was more than 30 from average. My Battle Calc of 2000 simulations with one surviving land unit says that average TUV swing should be -18.59, - 18.30 and 19.27. The TUV swing was +12 for you. The total swing away from average is therefore 30.59, 30.30 and 31.59.

I will reroll the battle.
That activates the reroll at the loss of 10 in income next round.

[arathorn]

(It would only let me have 2 attachments, so here comes the third)

[arathorn]

A

2 mech, 2 tanks, 3 ftrs, 1 tact = attack value of 21 = 3 hits plus 1 roll at 3.

3 hits
Rolls: 1@3; Total Hits: 11@3: (1)

D

10 art = defense value of 20 = 3 hits plus 1 roll at 2.

3 hits
Rolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 01@2: (4)

[arathorn]

3 casualties for Russians = 2 mechs and 1 tank.
4 casualties for Germans = 4 art.

A

1 tank, 3 ftrs, 1 tact = 16 = 2 hits plus roll at 4.

Rolls: 1@4; Total Hits: 11@4: (2)

D

6 art = 2 hits.

[arathorn]

3 casualties for Germans = 3 artillery
2 casualties for Russians = 2 ftrs

A
1 tank, 1 ftr, 1 tact = 10 = 1 hit + roll at 4

Rolls: 1@4; Total Hits: 01@4: (6)

D

3 art = 1 hit.

[arathorn]

BTW, you can choose to retreat after any round of attack.

1 casualty germans = 1 art
1 casualty russians = 1 ftr

1 tank and 1 tact = 1 hit plus  a roll at 1

Rolls: 1@1; Total Hits: 01@1: (2)

2 art = 1 roll at 4

Rolls: 1@4; Total Hits: 11@4: (3)

[arathorn]

At this point - I will not roll any further until I’ve heard from you.

If you choose a point of retreat after any of the previous rounds, then you can simply retreat back and change your non-combat move.

If you choose to let the last round stand, you have to choose between 1 tank and 1 tact in casualty, leaving you 1 unit against my 1 art.

If you choose the tact and press the battle, we’ll roll your 3 against my 2. If I hit, regardless of your hit or not, I keep Berlin.

Let me know what you want to do.

[gamerman01]

HOLD EVERYTHING

Infrastructure’s invasion of Berlin with ground units was not even legal in the first place.
R4 needs to be redone

[gamerman01]

However, since Infra did post the R4 move, the 72 hour clock does NOT end tonight.  It will be 72 hours from now.

[MrRoboto]

Just out of curiosity - why wouldn’t it be legal?

[arathorn]

You can only blitz a territory that is completely empty.

[JDOW]

Europe Rulebook 2nd Edition p. 15

A tank can “blitz” by moving through an unoccupied hostile territory as the first part of a move that can end in a
friendly or hostile territory

However, I apologize to invade but I cannot resist to add this fun fact.

I ran the simulation 20000 times initially and now have a look at the result! :D

[gamerman01]

Page 15, Europe 2nd edition manual, blue box, first sentence under Combat:

A power can’t attack a territory controlled by or containing units belonging to a power with which it is not at war.

[gamerman01]

Has been #12 on my Triple A issues list

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cS3hFwoBP0rWr3208jw1LAtCvHYa9Ji9uU8PwbCMIwM/edit

[arathorn]

@JDOW:

Europe Rulebook 2nd Edition p. 15

A tank can �blitz� by moving through an unoccupied hostile territory as the first part of a move that can end in a
friendly or hostile territory

However, I apologize to invade but I cannot resist to add this fun fact.

I ran the simulation 20000 times initially and now have a look at the result! :D

I did the same thing :)

18.02 LOL

Good thing the whole move was illegal - or that would have been grounds for ANOTHER debate :)