Just a couple of more comments. I think we all understand the need for clear guidelines when it comes to playoffs. If you only have played BM and then in the playoffs are drawn against someone who insists on OOB it comes across as unfair. That is certainly a valid point. But you can also argue the other way too and especially since the rule sates OOB is default. I think we need to update the rules! But how??

The argument to the majority is that no one plays OOB, so it doesn’t matter if you allow it in the regular season if they, the majority, are not required to play it in the playoffs. To me this is meaningless and borderline selfish. There is no motivation to play OOB in regular league play if you are required to play BM in the playoffs. That is a sure death penalty to OOB competitive play. Is that what the League wants?

The only solution I see is to have three leagues, one for OOB, one for BM and one for PtV. Then we avoid all arguments about what to play. If no one wants to play OOB then that league will die after a season or two, but the OOB could also get revitalized, I think. Really it is not that much work to record results for different games in different ranking sheets. I really don’t see why it is a problem. Nothing prevents people from playing all three leagues if they like. Also, if we are worried about no one playing OOB you may remove the 8 games cap for playoffs and introduce a 3 or 4 game rule.

I also think a solution like this will make it easier to keep all players at this site. We desperately need every single player! If everyone gets to play what they want even for the playoffs its easier to keep players too. I think players in many situations are “forced” to play BM because “everyone” wants that, and they feel expected to.

Yeah, obviously this game got out of hand. I have played trulpen too and I don’t think he is unfair. HOWEVER, he is KING of EDITS and that is not so good all the time. With that said he also allows you many edits. I think edits should be kept to a minimum… and not so much after next post. Sometimes this becomes a fine line.

Personally I only bump if I really mean to, bumps should never be used if you only intend to “activate” the game. A bump is a bump. Periode.

@OwenToo said in League General Discussion Thread:

Maybe when someone signs up for the playoffs, they state which playoff they want to be in. And there can be three playoffs: OOB, BM3, and PTV

I think that is a good compromise. You may even sign up for more than one too!?

for a 50 bid. I would take:

British
Scotland: 1 fighter
Sz 110, 91 and 98: 1 sub each
sz 71: 1 transport
Egypt: 1 infantry

China
Yunnan: 1 inf

Anzac
sz 62: 1 sub
New Guinea: 1 inf

The China and sz 62 bid is to discourage a J1 attack. J1 attack is extremely powerful when playing OOB version

@Panzer-V , @M36

I am happy to play global 1940 2nd ed. I take axis and you take allies, no bid

pm if interested

its not a bad idea to have different caps for different games. It may make much sense to put the cap at 8 for BM and for example 4 at OOB.

I anticipate the die hard BM folks want nothing left behind and want the 8 game cap, its fine. Then OOB could serve as an alternative. AND it should be possible to participate in BM and OOB playoffs given you have enough games. I think it is important not to exclude people though

I dont play PtV so I have no input there

If you want to help euro axis with japan a better plan (I think) is to secure India with japan and from there (or Malaya) go for South Africa. South Africa is usually less defended than Egypt and hence it is easier to capture with less resources, maybe a couple of transports are enough together with a loaded carrier and a destroyer. A yellow south africa is a pain to deal with for allies

Remember, as Japan you have like 20 planes from start you can put on carriers. This is the key. If you position wisely you dont ned to buy any fighters for the first 5 or 6 rounds. At the same time you shoud by at lest 5 carriers. But your fleet also need a few destroyers, but not more than the original 4. Any extra navy should be subs. The more the better.

So ideally at end of round 5 you have like 8 carriers, 2 bb, 2 cr, 4 dest, 4 subs and 5 trannies

America cant push you away noe and you should be making around 65 every round. You have spent like 140 ipc on navy and you have made a total of about 200. This give 60 for facilities and inf in china. Buy 1 or 2 factories or 1 factory and a navy base. Depending on situation. Ideally just 1 factory. Also, dont be to afraid of the far east russians.

I will prefer to keep cost of bombers at 12 and attack value at 4. There are so many reasons not to mess with any of these numbers. I agree that Germany can project threats to many areas at once with a stack of bombers. If you want to fix that you need to do something with Germany’s income. Remove the Crete objective and/or/partly change (some of) Norway, peace with USSR, Nov/Leningrad/Caucasus objectives to 4. You then achieve pretty much the same thing as increasing the cost of bombers while only targeting Germany.
Is the original post by Regularkid an April fool? I haven’t seen him around for ages and then he suddenly appears on April 1?!

I think @trulpen proposal is a good idea. It is a significant weakness with todays system that high rank players can not play low rank players without going down in ranking. You don’t become a worse player by playing a non ranked or so called bad player if you are tier E or M.

I think administration of todays system is easy, it gives good indication on how good a player is. It is the same players every year who dominate the league/rankings and hence todays system is working. Maybe the elo rating system would generate more league games and maybe you would play other players that you dont play today.

I think @trulpen needs to describe how the elo rating system should be introduced and also how we should go about administrating it. Without any such information todays system will stand as it is not a bad system even though not perfect

looks like tough going for the allies here. I will try to move by thursday night, if not it will be monday. Sorry for the delay

looks like tough going for the allies here. I will try to move by thursday night, if not it will be monday. Sorry for the delay

no scramble

Game History

Round: 6

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 1 artillery and 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 infantry moved from Tambov to Rostov
              Russians take Rostov from Italians
        1 infantry moved from Russia to Smolensk
              Russians take Smolensk from Germans
        1 infantry moved from Urals to Vologda
        4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Vologda

    Combat - Russians
        Russians creates battle in territory 125 Sea Zone
        Battle in Vologda
            Russians attack with 4 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 4 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Vologda, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 2,83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Vologda, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Vologda
            Russians win with 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Vologda to Russia
        4 infantry moved from Samara to Russia
        1 infantry moved from Tambov to Rostov
        1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Russia
        3 aaGuns, 1 armour, 11 artilleries and 49 infantry moved from Tambov to Russia
        1 mech_infantry moved from Tobruk to Egypt

    Place Units - Russians
        1 artillery and 8 infantry placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 26 PUs; end with 27 PUs
        Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 33 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : 0,67
Russians regular : -0,83

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Game History

Round: 20

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 3 artilleries and 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 infantry moved from Belarus to Novgorod
              Russians take Novgorod from Germans
        2 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Eastern Poland
        2 fighters moved from Belarus to Eastern Poland
        1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia
              Russians take Bessarabia from Italians
        1 infantry moved from Samara to Kazakhstan
              Russians take Kazakhstan from Japanese

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in Eastern Poland
            Russians attack with 2 fighters and 2 infantry
            Italians defend with 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Eastern Poland
            Russians win, taking Eastern Poland from Italians with 2 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        2 fighters moved from Russia to Norway
        2 fighters moved from Eastern Poland to Russia
        1 infantry moved from Belarus to Baltic States
        3 aaGuns, 10 artilleries, 59 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Belarus to Novgorod
        1 infantry moved from Archangel to Vologda
        7 infantry moved from Samara to Volgograd
        2 infantry moved from Samara to Volgograd
        3 mech_infantrys moved from Ukraine to Volgograd
        3 artilleries and 10 infantry moved from Ukraine to Rostov
        4 infantry moved from Bryansk to Rostov
        1 infantry moved from Russia to Samara
        2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Russia to Tambov

    Place Units - Russians
        2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Volgograd
        1 infantry placed in Ukraine
        1 artillery and 3 infantry placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 27 PUs; end with 28 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : -0,33
Russians regular : 0,67

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    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        ANZAC buy 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 5 PUs; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
        1 destroyer moved from 62 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 submarine moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Queensland to New South Wales
        2 fighters moved from Queensland to 33 Sea Zone

    Place Units - ANZAC
        1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry placed in New South Wales

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        ANZAC collect 13 PUs; end with 18 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 23 PUs

    Combat Move - French

    Non Combat Move - French
        1 fighter moved from Bryansk to Northwest Persia
        1 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
        1 infantry moved from Tunisia to Libya
        1 infantry moved from Algeria to Tunisia
        1 destroyer moved from 96 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - French

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

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sorry about the missing summary

when I look at this…you have 23 infantry in vyborg, is this what you want or is it a misclick. I just want to check with you before I move

I will post the bid in a day or two

the plan was to move the anzac sub to sumatra sz. Can i edit that? 7 USA subs are enough outside Java