Just a couple of more comments. I think we all understand the need for clear guidelines when it comes to playoffs. If you only have played BM and then in the playoffs are drawn against someone who insists on OOB it comes across as unfair. That is certainly a valid point. But you can also argue the other way too and especially since the rule sates OOB is default. I think we need to update the rules! But how??

The argument to the majority is that no one plays OOB, so it doesn’t matter if you allow it in the regular season if they, the majority, are not required to play it in the playoffs. To me this is meaningless and borderline selfish. There is no motivation to play OOB in regular league play if you are required to play BM in the playoffs. That is a sure death penalty to OOB competitive play. Is that what the League wants?

The only solution I see is to have three leagues, one for OOB, one for BM and one for PtV. Then we avoid all arguments about what to play. If no one wants to play OOB then that league will die after a season or two, but the OOB could also get revitalized, I think. Really it is not that much work to record results for different games in different ranking sheets. I really don’t see why it is a problem. Nothing prevents people from playing all three leagues if they like. Also, if we are worried about no one playing OOB you may remove the 8 games cap for playoffs and introduce a 3 or 4 game rule.

I also think a solution like this will make it easier to keep all players at this site. We desperately need every single player! If everyone gets to play what they want even for the playoffs its easier to keep players too. I think players in many situations are “forced” to play BM because “everyone” wants that, and they feel expected to.

Yeah, obviously this game got out of hand. I have played trulpen too and I don’t think he is unfair. HOWEVER, he is KING of EDITS and that is not so good all the time. With that said he also allows you many edits. I think edits should be kept to a minimum… and not so much after next post. Sometimes this becomes a fine line.

Personally I only bump if I really mean to, bumps should never be used if you only intend to “activate” the game. A bump is a bump. Periode.

@OwenToo said in League General Discussion Thread:

Maybe when someone signs up for the playoffs, they state which playoff they want to be in. And there can be three playoffs: OOB, BM3, and PTV

I think that is a good compromise. You may even sign up for more than one too!?

All:

After several years of playing BM (on and off) I am interested in hearing peoples view on marines. Are they useful? Do they add something to the game?

I struggle with finding how to use them.

Honestly one of the best purpose I have found is to buy with Russia before german DOW just to distract germany so they cant leave land open.

It may be usefull to buy with Japan and take guam and it also may make a differance against an early assault on India.

For the USA it it may make sense to buy on the east coast and put on the cruiser there (maybe the best use I think)

In the pacific it sounds cool because you can island jump and claim several undefended japanese islands, but in reality it does not work because your cruiser (or battleship) is very volunerable for counter attacks.

For the british i have found no or little use for marines, may be useful in special situations where you have several cruisers, but keep in mind 3 cruisers require 15 IPC which is eq. to a transport and inf +art and you get to keep the tranny

For italy? I have little input. Very rearly a lonely cruiser can enter open sea in the med. It needs to be protected by the fleet, then it may make sense.

Anzac: I have never bought a marine with ANZAC

So, in summary I find it useful for some nations in the early game, but I hardly ever, or never, buy a marine past round 2

(sorry for the spelling)

for a 50 bid. I would take:

British
Scotland: 1 fighter
Sz 110, 91 and 98: 1 sub each
sz 71: 1 transport
Egypt: 1 infantry

China
Yunnan: 1 inf

Anzac
sz 62: 1 sub
New Guinea: 1 inf

The China and sz 62 bid is to discourage a J1 attack. J1 attack is extremely powerful when playing OOB version

its not a bad idea to have different caps for different games. It may make much sense to put the cap at 8 for BM and for example 4 at OOB.

I anticipate the die hard BM folks want nothing left behind and want the 8 game cap, its fine. Then OOB could serve as an alternative. AND it should be possible to participate in BM and OOB playoffs given you have enough games. I think it is important not to exclude people though

I dont play PtV so I have no input there

@Panzer-V , @M36

I am happy to play global 1940 2nd ed. I take axis and you take allies, no bid

pm if interested

yeah, I hope to receive my 2024 badge sonn. I donated 60 bucks in july sooooo…@djensen

For the OOB ranking most top players are not active. It should be a tool to filter away the non active players to achieve a current/up to date ranking of active players. How do ido that? If you were great in 2014, 16 and 17 and havent played a game since, then, I dont care what your ranking is

If you want to help euro axis with japan a better plan (I think) is to secure India with japan and from there (or Malaya) go for South Africa. South Africa is usually less defended than Egypt and hence it is easier to capture with less resources, maybe a couple of transports are enough together with a loaded carrier and a destroyer. A yellow south africa is a pain to deal with for allies

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Germans round 1

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition

Game History

Round: 1

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 111 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Scotland: 1 fighter
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 91 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 98 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Chinese to Yunnan: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Russia: 1 fighter
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Volgograd: 1 fighter
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

UK: $28
Fighter Scotland
SS 111, 91, 98
Russia: $20
Fighter Russia, Volgograd
China: $3
Infantry Yunnan

1 aa, 6inf, 1 mech, 3 art. If you continue for round 2 ask again

@oysteilo said in L25 G40 OOB Oysteilo (L+55) v Jacob16 (X) Game 1:

max defense, aa, inf, mech, art and armor

since you have not been online since i posted this I am now reconsidering my OOL. I will give final orders later today so hold on for now

max defense, aa, inf, mech, art and armor

How is this coming along?

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 5

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese repair damage of 7x factory_major; Remaining resources: 49 PUs; 4 SuicideAttackTokens; 
        Japanese buy 1 destroyer, 7 infantry and 5 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 4 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        1 mech_infantry moved from Kweichow to Yunnan
        1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers moved from French Indo China to Yunnan
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Philippines to Yunnan
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 35 Sea Zone to Yunnan
        2 fighters moved from Shantung to Yunnan
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 42 Sea Zone to Yunnan
        1 infantry moved from Dutch New Guinea to New Guinea
              Japanese take New Guinea from ANZAC
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 42 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to Malaya
        1 battleship moved from 42 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
        1 battleship moved from 45 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 19 Sea Zone to 18 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Manchuria to 19 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Manchuria to 18 Sea Zone
        1 carrier and 1 destroyer moved from 42 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
        2 cruisers moved from 35 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 45 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone

    Combat - Japanese
        Battle in Malaya
            Japanese attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            British defend with 1 infantry; UK_Pacific defend with 1 harbour
                Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships in Malaya, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 infantry in Malaya, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the British lost in Malaya
            Japanese win, taking Malaya from UK_Pacific with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry
        Battle in 55 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 carrier, 2 cruisers and 1 destroyer
            ANZAC defend with 1 destroyer
                Japanese roll dice for 1 carrier, 2 cruisers and 1 destroyer in 55 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 destroyer in 55 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the ANZAC lost in 55 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 1 carrier, 2 cruisers and 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 destroyer
        Battle in 18 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 2 fighters and 1 submarine
            Americans defend with 1 destroyer
                Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 18 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters in 18 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 18 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 18 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 2 fighters and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer
        Battle in Yunnan
            Japanese attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 7 fighters, 4 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 7 tactical_bombers
            British defend with 2 aaGuns, 3 artilleries and 10 infantry
                British roll AA dice in Yunnan : 0/6 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 7 fighters, 4 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 7 tactical_bombers in Yunnan, round 2 : 11/23 hits, 11.33 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 2 aaGuns, 3 artilleries and 10 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 5/13 hits, 4.33 expected hits
                4 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan
                2 aaGuns owned by the British and 9 infantry owned by the British lost in Yunnan
                Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 7 fighters and 7 tactical_bombers in Yunnan, round 3 : 10/18 hits, 10.33 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 3 artilleries and 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 3 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                1 fighter owned by the Japanese and 1 artillery owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan
                3 artilleries owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Yunnan
            Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 armour, 2 bombers, 6 fighters and 7 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 22
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            Casualties for British: 2 aaGuns, 3 artilleries and 10 infantry
        Battle in 19 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
            Americans defend with 1 destroyer
                Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 19 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 19 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 19 Sea Zone
            Japanese win, taking 19 Sea Zone from Americans with 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        1 fighter and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Yunnan to 36 Sea Zone
        2 carriers moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 19 Sea Zone to Japan
        2 fighters moved from 18 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from 6 Sea Zone to Japan
        1 infantry moved from Chahar to Hopei
        1 infantry moved from Hopei to Kweichow
        2 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow
        1 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe
        4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to French Indo China
        3 tactical_bombers moved from Yunnan to French Indo China
        2 bombers moved from Yunnan to French Indo China
        1 fighter moved from 36 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        2 carriers moved from 36 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        3 tactical_bombers moved from 36 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        2 transports moved from 42 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Yunnan to French Indo China
        1 transport moved from 45 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Japanese
        1 destroyer placed in 6 Sea Zone
        5 infantry placed in Japan
        2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in French Indo China
        3 mech_infantrys placed in Kwangtung
        1 mech_infantry placed in Shantung

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 6 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,2
        Japanese collect 50 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 50 PUs
        Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 55 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : 1.33
Americans regular : -0.67
Japanese regular : -1.00
British AA : -1.00
ANZAC regular : -0.33
UK_Pacific regular : -0.33

Savegame

@oysteilo said in oysteilo and mikawagunichi vs crockett36 & Stucifer team Gamerman's setup:

There is something that does not look right in mongolia. Ulaanbataar can not turn american. I think the mongolians should be pro allies now afer the axis attack on the neutrals. And technically I think the americab mech can activate Ulaanbataar, but the territory will turn soviet and the infantry will be red. I dont have a lot of experience with this situation, but I think this is right

It appears it is okay as it is and I am incorrect above

There is something that does not look right in mongolia. Ulaanbataar can not turn american. I think the mongolians should be pro allies now afer the axis attack on the neutrals. And technically I think the americab mech can activate Ulaanbataar, but the territory will turn soviet and the infantry will be red. I dont have a lot of experience with this situation, but I think this is right

sorry. I am up :) I have overlooked it