Just a couple of more comments. I think we all understand the need for clear guidelines when it comes to playoffs. If you only have played BM and then in the playoffs are drawn against someone who insists on OOB it comes across as unfair. That is certainly a valid point. But you can also argue the other way too and especially since the rule sates OOB is default. I think we need to update the rules! But how??

The argument to the majority is that no one plays OOB, so it doesn’t matter if you allow it in the regular season if they, the majority, are not required to play it in the playoffs. To me this is meaningless and borderline selfish. There is no motivation to play OOB in regular league play if you are required to play BM in the playoffs. That is a sure death penalty to OOB competitive play. Is that what the League wants?

The only solution I see is to have three leagues, one for OOB, one for BM and one for PtV. Then we avoid all arguments about what to play. If no one wants to play OOB then that league will die after a season or two, but the OOB could also get revitalized, I think. Really it is not that much work to record results for different games in different ranking sheets. I really don’t see why it is a problem. Nothing prevents people from playing all three leagues if they like. Also, if we are worried about no one playing OOB you may remove the 8 games cap for playoffs and introduce a 3 or 4 game rule.

I also think a solution like this will make it easier to keep all players at this site. We desperately need every single player! If everyone gets to play what they want even for the playoffs its easier to keep players too. I think players in many situations are “forced” to play BM because “everyone” wants that, and they feel expected to.

Yeah, obviously this game got out of hand. I have played trulpen too and I don’t think he is unfair. HOWEVER, he is KING of EDITS and that is not so good all the time. With that said he also allows you many edits. I think edits should be kept to a minimum… and not so much after next post. Sometimes this becomes a fine line.

Personally I only bump if I really mean to, bumps should never be used if you only intend to “activate” the game. A bump is a bump. Periode.

@OwenToo said in League General Discussion Thread:

Maybe when someone signs up for the playoffs, they state which playoff they want to be in. And there can be three playoffs: OOB, BM3, and PTV

I think that is a good compromise. You may even sign up for more than one too!?

for a 50 bid. I would take:

British
Scotland: 1 fighter
Sz 110, 91 and 98: 1 sub each
sz 71: 1 transport
Egypt: 1 infantry

China
Yunnan: 1 inf

Anzac
sz 62: 1 sub
New Guinea: 1 inf

The China and sz 62 bid is to discourage a J1 attack. J1 attack is extremely powerful when playing OOB version

@Panzer-V , @M36

I am happy to play global 1940 2nd ed. I take axis and you take allies, no bid

pm if interested

its not a bad idea to have different caps for different games. It may make much sense to put the cap at 8 for BM and for example 4 at OOB.

I anticipate the die hard BM folks want nothing left behind and want the 8 game cap, its fine. Then OOB could serve as an alternative. AND it should be possible to participate in BM and OOB playoffs given you have enough games. I think it is important not to exclude people though

I dont play PtV so I have no input there

If you want to help euro axis with japan a better plan (I think) is to secure India with japan and from there (or Malaya) go for South Africa. South Africa is usually less defended than Egypt and hence it is easier to capture with less resources, maybe a couple of transports are enough together with a loaded carrier and a destroyer. A yellow south africa is a pain to deal with for allies

Remember, as Japan you have like 20 planes from start you can put on carriers. This is the key. If you position wisely you dont ned to buy any fighters for the first 5 or 6 rounds. At the same time you shoud by at lest 5 carriers. But your fleet also need a few destroyers, but not more than the original 4. Any extra navy should be subs. The more the better.

So ideally at end of round 5 you have like 8 carriers, 2 bb, 2 cr, 4 dest, 4 subs and 5 trannies

America cant push you away noe and you should be making around 65 every round. You have spent like 140 ipc on navy and you have made a total of about 200. This give 60 for facilities and inf in china. Buy 1 or 2 factories or 1 factory and a navy base. Depending on situation. Ideally just 1 factory. Also, dont be to afraid of the far east russians.

I will prefer to keep cost of bombers at 12 and attack value at 4. There are so many reasons not to mess with any of these numbers. I agree that Germany can project threats to many areas at once with a stack of bombers. If you want to fix that you need to do something with Germany’s income. Remove the Crete objective and/or/partly change (some of) Norway, peace with USSR, Nov/Leningrad/Caucasus objectives to 4. You then achieve pretty much the same thing as increasing the cost of bombers while only targeting Germany.
Is the original post by Regularkid an April fool? I haven’t seen him around for ages and then he suddenly appears on April 1?!

I think @trulpen proposal is a good idea. It is a significant weakness with todays system that high rank players can not play low rank players without going down in ranking. You don’t become a worse player by playing a non ranked or so called bad player if you are tier E or M.

I think administration of todays system is easy, it gives good indication on how good a player is. It is the same players every year who dominate the league/rankings and hence todays system is working. Maybe the elo rating system would generate more league games and maybe you would play other players that you dont play today.

I think @trulpen needs to describe how the elo rating system should be introduced and also how we should go about administrating it. Without any such information todays system will stand as it is not a bad system even though not perfect

Again , i am sorry for this. It has just been busy for me. And now i am away for a couple of weeks… but hopefully i am able to make a few post, but cant promise. Let me know if its okey

Again, i am sorry for this. It has just been busy for me. And now i am away for a couple of weeks… but hopefully i am able to make a few post, but cant promise. Let me know if its okey.

I will try to post tomorrow, sorry for the delay

I will try to post tomorrow, sorry for the delay

ssorry for the delay here,

1. can i move my german armor 1 steb back in north africa? I forgot
2. Please declare your plane placement in queensland sea zone

Game History

Round: 5

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 8 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 infantry moved from Karelia to Novgorod
              Germans take Novgorod from Russians
        1 bomber moved from Poland to Northwest Persia
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Egypt to Northwest Persia

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Northwest Persia
            Germans attack with 1 bomber and 1 tactical_bomber
            British defend with 1 bomber
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 tactical_bomber in Northwest Persia, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1,17 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 bomber in Northwest Persia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                1 bomber owned by the British lost in Northwest Persia
            Germans win with 1 bomber and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
            Casualties for British: 1 bomber

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Northwest Persia to Iraq
        1 bomber moved from Northwest Persia to Iraq
        1 fighter moved from Egypt to Southern Italy
        1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Southern Italy
        2 fighters moved from Western Germany to Ukraine
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to Ukraine
        1 aaGun, 8 armour, 4 artilleries, 23 infantry and 5 mech_infantrys moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine
        1 mech_infantry moved from Baltic States to Western Ukraine
        1 bomber moved from Poland to France
        1 armour and 6 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Eastern Poland
        1 armour and 6 mech_infantrys moved from Baltic States to Novgorod
        4 infantry moved from Karelia to Novgorod
        1 mech_infantry moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Germans
        1 fighter and 4 mech_infantrys placed in Western Germany
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in France
        4 mech_infantrys placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 49 PUs; end with 49 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 54 PUs
        Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 59 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : 0,83
British regular : -0,17

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Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 2 artilleries, 2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        2 armour moved from Egypt to Iraq
              Italians take Trans-Jordan from British
        2 fighters moved from Alexandria to Iraq
        1 bomber moved from Alexandria to Ukraine
        1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in Iraq
            Italians attack with 2 armour and 2 fighters
            British defend with 1 artillery
                Italians roll dice for 2 armour and 2 fighters in Iraq, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 2,00 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 artillery in Iraq, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the British lost in Iraq
            Italians win, taking Iraq from British with 2 armour and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
            Casualties for British: 1 artillery
        Battle in Ukraine
            Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 mech_infantry
            Russians defend with 1 factory_minor and 2 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 mech_infantry in Ukraine, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1,83 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Ukraine, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Italians lost in Ukraine
            Italians win, taking Ukraine from Russians with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
            Casualties for Italians: 1 mech_infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        2 aaGuns moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine
        1 armour moved from Poland to Bessarabia
        1 bomber moved from Ukraine to Slovakia Hungary
        2 fighters moved from Iraq to Egypt
        1 battleship, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 2 transports moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Italians
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Egypt
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Southern Italy

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Italians collect 21 PUs; end with 21 PUs
        Objective Italians 4 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Italians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 23 PUs
        Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 28 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : 0,17
Russians regular : 0,33
British regular : -0,33

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Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 1 factory_minor, 3 fighters, 3 infantry, 3 mech_infantrys and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        Trigger Japanese Unrestricted Movement: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared for rulesAttachment attached to Japanese
        1 infantry moved from Manchuria to Amur
              Japanese take Amur from Russians
        1 mech_infantry moved from Chahar to Kansu
              Japanese take Kansu from Chinese
        1 infantry moved from Hopei to Shensi
              Japanese take Shensi from Chinese
        1 armour moved from Shan State to Burma
              Japanese take Burma from UK_Pacific
        1 armour moved from Burma to India
        2 infantry moved from Kwangsi to 36 Sea Zone
        2 bombers, 5 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to India
        2 infantry moved from Sumatra to 41 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 41 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 39 Sea Zone to India
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 41 Sea Zone to India
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 37 Sea Zone to India
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Malaya to 37 Sea Zone
        3 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Shan State to 37 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
        4 artilleries, 4 infantry and 4 transports moved from 37 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
        4 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from 39 Sea Zone to India
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 39 Sea Zone to India
        1 battleship moved from 37 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser moved from 36 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 41 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from Celebes to 44 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser and 1 marine moved from 44 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from 21 Sea Zone to Guam
        1 carrier and 1 destroyer moved from 41 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 41 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        1 battleship, 1 carrier and 1 marine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from 21 Sea Zone to Guam
        1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone
        1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 37 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 37 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone

    Combat - Japanese
        Battle in Guam
        Battle in India
            Japanese attack with 1 armour, 4 artilleries, 2 bombers, 8 fighters, 10 infantry and 8 tactical_bombers
            British defend with 3 aaGuns, 3 artilleries, 3 fighters, 15 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber; UK_Pacific defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_major and 1 harbour
            Japanese captures 9PUs while taking UK_Pacific capital
            Japanese converts factory_major into different units
            Japanese win, taking Guam from Americans, taking India from UK_Pacific with 1 armour, 2 bombers, 6 fighters and 7 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 40
            Casualties for Japanese: 4 artilleries, 2 fighters, 10 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Casualties for British: 3 aaGuns, 3 artilleries, 3 fighters, 15 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
        Battle in 42 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 submarine
            ANZAC defend with 1 destroyer
            ANZAC win with 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine
        triggerUKPacificDestroyPUsJapanese: Setting destroysPUs to true for playerAttachment attached to UK_Pacific

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
        2 bombers, 4 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers moved from India to Shan State
        1 mech_infantry moved from Shantung to Manchuria
        1 mech_infantry moved from Shantung to Chahar
        1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hopei
        1 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe

    Place Units - Japanese
        1 factory_minor placed in Kwangtung
        3 mech_infantrys placed in Shantung
        3 fighters and 3 infantry placed in Japan
        1 submarine placed in 6 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 42 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4
        Japanese collect 56 PUs; end with 65 PUs
        Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 68 PUs
        Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 73 PUs
        Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 78 PUs

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