13L G40 JWW axis v Wheatbeer (+10) allies

[666]

@wheatbeer:

3 more hits, keep the aa still?

yes, keep the aa,two hits for all my inf? WTF

[wheatbeer]

America retreats with 3 strats surviving after round 3

NITA is left with 3 German inf, 1 Italian inf, 1 Italian art, 1 Italian aa

Do you want to exchange Germans for Italians? Or do you want to keep Germans alive?

[wheatbeer]

@JWW:

yes, keep the aa,two hits for all my inf? WTF

The US had a 75% chance to capture NITA, I should be the one complaining  :lol:

[666]

@wheatbeer:

America retreats with 3 strats surviving after round 3

NITA is left with 3 German inf, 1 Italian inf, 1 Italian art, 1 Italian aa

Do you want to exchange Germans for Italians? Or do you want to keep Germans alive?

I can change on the italy turn if I can….this was so close to being a disaster for the allies… :x

[666]

@wheatbeer:

@JWW:

yes, keep the aa,two hits for all my inf? WTF

The US had a 75% chance to capture NITA, I should be the one complaining  :lol:

yes but only 59% of clearing the sea zone…

[wheatbeer]

With a default (non-ideal) OOL dskelly gives a 59% odds of a US “win”. Dskelly doesn’t count mutual annihilation as a win though.

If you change the OOL to sink the carrier first (like I did), the odds that I clear the SZ are 71%

[wheatbeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :6

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters, 1 infantry, 2 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            1 bomber moved from Gibraltar to 98 Sea Zone
            5 bombers moved from Gibraltar to Northern Italy
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Northern Italy
            1 carrier and 2 destroyers moved from 91 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
                  Americans take 93 Sea Zone from Italians
            1 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 2 artilleries, 3 infantry and 3 transports moved from 91 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 95 Sea Zone to Northern Italy
            1 destroyer moved from 10 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Western United States to 25 Sea Zone
            2 submarines moved from 91 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 91 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone

Combat - Americans
            Italians scrambles 3 units out of Southern Italy to defend against the attack in 95 Sea Zone
            Italians scrambles to create a battle in territory 95 Sea Zone
            Battle in 95 Sea Zone
                British loiter and taunt with ; Americans attack with 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter, 2 submarines and 3 transports
                Germans defend with 2 fighters; Italians defend with 1 fighter
                2 submarines owned by the Americans Submerged
                    Americans roll dice for 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter and 3 transports in 95 Sea Zone, round 1 :  1/3 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 3 fighters in 95 Sea Zone, round 1 :  2/3 hits
                    1 fighter owned by the Italians and 1 carrier owned by the Americans lost in 95 Sea Zone
                    Americans roll dice for 2 destroyers, 1 fighter and 3 transports in 95 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/3 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 2 fighters in 95 Sea Zone, round 2 :  2/2 hits
                    2 destroyers owned by the Americans and 1 fighter owned by the Germans lost in 95 Sea Zone
                    Americans roll dice for 1 fighter and 3 transports in 95 Sea Zone, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 fighter in 95 Sea Zone, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 fighter and 3 transports in 95 Sea Zone, round 4 :  0/1 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 fighter in 95 Sea Zone, round 4 :  0/1 hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 fighter and 3 transports in 95 Sea Zone, round 5 :  1/1 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 fighter in 95 Sea Zone, round 5 :  1/1 hits
                    1 fighter owned by the Americans and 1 fighter owned by the Germans lost in 95 Sea Zone
                Americans win with 3 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is -12
                Casualties for Germans: 2 fighters
                Casualties for Italians: 1 fighter
                Casualties for Americans: 1 carrier, 2 destroyers and 1 fighter
            Battle in Northern Italy
                Americans attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 5 bombers, 1 fighter and 3 infantry
                Germans defend with 3 infantry; Italians defend with 1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 1 factory_major and 7 infantry
                    AA guns fire in Northern Italy :  2/3 hits
                    1 fighter owned by the Americans and 1 bomber owned by the Americans lost in Northern Italy
                    Americans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 4 bombers and 3 infantry in Northern Italy, round 1 :  3/9 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 10 infantry in Northern Italy, round 1 :  2/11 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Americans and 3 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Northern Italy
                    Americans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 4 bombers and 1 infantry in Northern Italy, round 2 :  3/7 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 7 infantry in Northern Italy, round 2 :  4/8 hits
                    1 artillery owned by the Americans , 1 armour owned by the Americans , 1 bomber owned by the Americans , 1 infantry owned by the Americans and 3 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Northern Italy
                Italians win with 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 4 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -35
                Casualties for Italians: 6 infantry
                Casualties for Americans: 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 3 infantry
                3 bombers owned by the Americans retreated
            Battle in 98 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 bomber
                Italians defend with 1 destroyer
                    Americans roll dice for 1 bomber in 98 Sea Zone, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer in 98 Sea Zone, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 bomber in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the Italians lost in 98 Sea Zone
                Americans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 25 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 destroyer and 2 fighters
                Japanese defend with 1 submarine
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 25 Sea Zone, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 25 Sea Zone, round 1 :  1/3 hits
                    1 submarine owned by the Japanese lost in 25 Sea Zone
                Americans win with 1 destroyer and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine

Non Combat Move - Americans
            2 fighters moved from 25 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 2 submarines moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to Egypt
            3 bombers moved from Northern Italy to Tunisia
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 fighter moved from 91 Sea Zone to Tunisia
            1 destroyer moved from 54 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 54 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 54 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone

Place Units - Americans
            1 infantry placed in Central United States
            2 fighters placed in Eastern United States
            1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 2 submarines and 1 transport placed in 101 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 54 PUs; end with 54 PUs total
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 59 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 64 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 74 PUs

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 40 / 50
    Russians : 23 / 34
    Japanese : 65 / 65
    Americans : 54 / 74
    Chinese : 0 / 2
    British : 30 / 35
    UK_Pacific : 5 / 7
    Italians : 23 / 31
    ANZAC : 16 / 23
    French : 9 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[wheatbeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :6

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed

Combat Move - Chinese

Combat - Chinese

Non Combat Move - Chinese

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 0 PUs; end with 2 PUs total

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 40 / 50
    Russians : 23 / 34
    Japanese : 65 / 65
    Americans : 54 / 74
    Chinese : 0 / 2
    British : 30 / 35
    UK_Pacific : 5 / 7
    Italians : 23 / 31
    ANZAC : 16 / 23
    French : 9 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[wheatbeer]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :6

Combat Move - British
            2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Egypt to 81 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Trans-Jordan to 81 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 2 artilleries, 3 infantry and 3 transports moved from 81 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from 95 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Egypt to Southern Italy
            1 bomber moved from Gibraltar to Southern Italy
            1 cruiser moved from 81 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from Gibraltar to 95 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from India to Burma
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Burma
            1 armour moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 95 Sea Zone to Southern Italy

[wheatbeer]

need scramble orders SZ95

[666]

@wheatbeer:

With a default (non-ideal) OOL dskelly gives a 59% odds of a US “win”. Dskelly doesn’t count mutual annihilation as a win though.

If you change the OOL to sink the carrier first (like I did), the odds that I clear the SZ are 71%

dskelly?

Agreed, it was risky though, IMO….I typically don’t take enough risks, which at times creates problems for me…

[666]

@wheatbeer:

need scramble orders SZ95

wow, you are going into southern italy now……Do you have a good chance here? Are you on tilt??

[wheatbeer]

http://www.dskelly.com/misc/aa/aasim.html

It’s a great sim, though unlike aacalc, you can’t do 1/2/3 round odds, only full battle runs.

[wheatbeer]

I think the odds of UK victory are in the upper 50s … would have been higher if US took NITA since the UK could have brought 3 additional planes.

[wheatbeer]

Estimated wrong … UK odds of taking Rome are 49.4% (assuming max defense OOL, i.e. aa, then strat, then inf)

[666]

@wheatbeer:

need scramble orders SZ95

no scramble

[666]

@wheatbeer:

Estimated wrong … UK odds of taking Rome are 49.4% (assuming max defense OOL, i.e. aa, then strat, then inf)

yes please use max D for Rome. Hit with those AA guns again, please

[wheatbeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :6

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Egypt to 81 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Trans-Jordan to 81 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 2 artilleries, 3 infantry and 3 transports moved from 81 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from 95 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Egypt to Southern Italy
            1 bomber moved from Gibraltar to Southern Italy
            1 cruiser moved from 81 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from Gibraltar to 95 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from India to Burma
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Burma
            1 armour moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 95 Sea Zone to Southern Italy

Combat - British
            Battle in Southern Italy
                British attack with 2 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 1 bomber and 1 tactical_bomber; Italians defend with 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 9 infantry
                    AA guns fire in Southern Italy :  1/3 hits
                    1 fighter owned by the British lost in Southern Italy
                    British roll dice for 1 cruiser in Southern Italy, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    British roll dice for 2 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 bomber, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Southern Italy, round 1 :  7/11 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 9 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Southern Italy, round 1 :  4/13 hits
                    4 infantry owned by the British , 1 aaGun owned by the Italians , 1 bomber owned by the Germans , 1 bomber owned by the Italians and 4 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Southern Italy
                    British roll dice for 2 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 bomber and 1 tactical_bomber in Southern Italy, round 2 :  3/7 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 artillery, 5 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Southern Italy, round 2 :  3/7 hits
                    3 artilleries owned by the British and 3 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Southern Italy
                    British roll dice for 2 armour, 1 bomber and 1 tactical_bomber in Southern Italy, round 3 :  3/4 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Southern Italy, round 3 :  2/4 hits
                    1 tactical_bomber owned by the British , 1 armour owned by the British , 1 artillery owned by the Italians and 2 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Southern Italy
                    British roll dice for 1 armour and 1 bomber in Southern Italy, round 4 :  1/2 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 tactical_bomber in Southern Italy, round 4 :  0/1 hits
                    1 tactical_bomber owned by the Germans lost in Southern Italy
                British captures 31PUs while taking Italians capital
                British win, taking Southern Italy from Italians with 1 armour and 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 20
                Casualties for Germans: 1 bomber and 1 tactical_bomber
                Casualties for British: 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Casualties for Italians: 1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 9 infantry
            Battle in Burma
                British attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                    British roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Burma, round 1 :  0/4 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Burma, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Burma, round 2 :  1/4 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Burma, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Burma
                British win, taking Burma from Japanese with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - British
            1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Tunisia
            1 destroyer moved from 91 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
            1 carrier and 2 fighters moved from 81 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from 95 Sea Zone to Tunisia
            1 fighter moved from Trans-Jordan to Tunisia
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Burma to India
            1 aaGun, 5 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt

Place Units - British
            3 infantry placed in Egypt
            1 fighter and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Persia
            1 destroyer placed in 106 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - British
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,1,6,1,1,5,3,3
            British collect 30 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 61 PUs total
            Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 66 PUs

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            2 infantry placed in India

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 6 PUs; end with 7 PUs total
            Some Units in India change ownership: 2 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 40 / 50
    Russians : 23 / 34
    Japanese : 64 / 65
    Americans : 54 / 74
    Chinese : 0 / 2
    British : 33 / 66
    UK_Pacific : 6 / 7
    Italians : 20 / 0
    ANZAC : 16 / 23
    French : 9 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[wheatbeer]

Had the US captured NITA, Italy and Germany wouldn’t have been able to liberate Rome on I6 or G7 … that would have been something.

Still, could have gone far far worse  :lol:

[666]

@wheatbeer:

Had the US captured NITA, Italy and Germany wouldn’t have been able to liberate Rome on I6 or G7 … that would have been something.

Still, could have gone far far worse  :lol:

you are right. that first round attack with the brits won it for you. 7-11 hits. so many vairiables there. the usa fleet battle was super close, the brit bmb vs the ita dd, s.ita and n.ita were all close battles…I didn’t think you would go for s.ita… :-o