13L G40 JWW axis v Wheatbeer (+10) allies

[wheatbeer]

3 more hits, keep the aa still?

[666]

can’t believe how close my fgt’s came to turning away the american amphib attack

[666]

@wheatbeer:

3 more hits, keep the aa still?

yes, keep the aa,two hits for all my inf? WTF

[wheatbeer]

America retreats with 3 strats surviving after round 3

NITA is left with 3 German inf, 1 Italian inf, 1 Italian art, 1 Italian aa

Do you want to exchange Germans for Italians? Or do you want to keep Germans alive?

[wheatbeer]

@JWW:

yes, keep the aa,two hits for all my inf? WTF

The US had a 75% chance to capture NITA, I should be the one complaining  :lol:

[666]

@wheatbeer:

America retreats with 3 strats surviving after round 3

NITA is left with 3 German inf, 1 Italian inf, 1 Italian art, 1 Italian aa

Do you want to exchange Germans for Italians? Or do you want to keep Germans alive?

I can change on the italy turn if I can….this was so close to being a disaster for the allies… :x

[666]

@wheatbeer:

@JWW:

yes, keep the aa,two hits for all my inf? WTF

The US had a 75% chance to capture NITA, I should be the one complaining  :lol:

yes but only 59% of clearing the sea zone…

[wheatbeer]

With a default (non-ideal) OOL dskelly gives a 59% odds of a US “win”. Dskelly doesn’t count mutual annihilation as a win though.

If you change the OOL to sink the carrier first (like I did), the odds that I clear the SZ are 71%

[wheatbeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :6

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters, 1 infantry, 2 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            1 bomber moved from Gibraltar to 98 Sea Zone
            5 bombers moved from Gibraltar to Northern Italy
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Northern Italy
            1 carrier and 2 destroyers moved from 91 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
                  Americans take 93 Sea Zone from Italians
            1 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 2 artilleries, 3 infantry and 3 transports moved from 91 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 95 Sea Zone to Northern Italy
            1 destroyer moved from 10 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Western United States to 25 Sea Zone
            2 submarines moved from 91 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 91 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone

Combat - Americans
            Italians scrambles 3 units out of Southern Italy to defend against the attack in 95 Sea Zone
            Italians scrambles to create a battle in territory 95 Sea Zone
            Battle in 95 Sea Zone
                British loiter and taunt with ; Americans attack with 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter, 2 submarines and 3 transports
                Germans defend with 2 fighters; Italians defend with 1 fighter
                2 submarines owned by the Americans Submerged
                    Americans roll dice for 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter and 3 transports in 95 Sea Zone, round 1 :  1/3 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 3 fighters in 95 Sea Zone, round 1 :  2/3 hits
                    1 fighter owned by the Italians and 1 carrier owned by the Americans lost in 95 Sea Zone
                    Americans roll dice for 2 destroyers, 1 fighter and 3 transports in 95 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/3 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 2 fighters in 95 Sea Zone, round 2 :  2/2 hits
                    2 destroyers owned by the Americans and 1 fighter owned by the Germans lost in 95 Sea Zone
                    Americans roll dice for 1 fighter and 3 transports in 95 Sea Zone, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 fighter in 95 Sea Zone, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 fighter and 3 transports in 95 Sea Zone, round 4 :  0/1 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 fighter in 95 Sea Zone, round 4 :  0/1 hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 fighter and 3 transports in 95 Sea Zone, round 5 :  1/1 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 fighter in 95 Sea Zone, round 5 :  1/1 hits
                    1 fighter owned by the Americans and 1 fighter owned by the Germans lost in 95 Sea Zone
                Americans win with 3 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is -12
                Casualties for Germans: 2 fighters
                Casualties for Italians: 1 fighter
                Casualties for Americans: 1 carrier, 2 destroyers and 1 fighter
            Battle in Northern Italy
                Americans attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 5 bombers, 1 fighter and 3 infantry
                Germans defend with 3 infantry; Italians defend with 1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 1 factory_major and 7 infantry
                    AA guns fire in Northern Italy :  2/3 hits
                    1 fighter owned by the Americans and 1 bomber owned by the Americans lost in Northern Italy
                    Americans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 4 bombers and 3 infantry in Northern Italy, round 1 :  3/9 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 10 infantry in Northern Italy, round 1 :  2/11 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Americans and 3 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Northern Italy
                    Americans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 4 bombers and 1 infantry in Northern Italy, round 2 :  3/7 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 7 infantry in Northern Italy, round 2 :  4/8 hits
                    1 artillery owned by the Americans , 1 armour owned by the Americans , 1 bomber owned by the Americans , 1 infantry owned by the Americans and 3 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Northern Italy
                Italians win with 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 4 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -35
                Casualties for Italians: 6 infantry
                Casualties for Americans: 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 3 infantry
                3 bombers owned by the Americans retreated
            Battle in 98 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 bomber
                Italians defend with 1 destroyer
                    Americans roll dice for 1 bomber in 98 Sea Zone, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer in 98 Sea Zone, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 bomber in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the Italians lost in 98 Sea Zone
                Americans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 25 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 destroyer and 2 fighters
                Japanese defend with 1 submarine
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 25 Sea Zone, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 25 Sea Zone, round 1 :  1/3 hits
                    1 submarine owned by the Japanese lost in 25 Sea Zone
                Americans win with 1 destroyer and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine

Non Combat Move - Americans
            2 fighters moved from 25 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 2 submarines moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to Egypt
            3 bombers moved from Northern Italy to Tunisia
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 fighter moved from 91 Sea Zone to Tunisia
            1 destroyer moved from 54 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 54 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 54 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone

Place Units - Americans
            1 infantry placed in Central United States
            2 fighters placed in Eastern United States
            1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 2 submarines and 1 transport placed in 101 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 54 PUs; end with 54 PUs total
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 59 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 64 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 74 PUs

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 40 / 50
    Russians : 23 / 34
    Japanese : 65 / 65
    Americans : 54 / 74
    Chinese : 0 / 2
    British : 30 / 35
    UK_Pacific : 5 / 7
    Italians : 23 / 31
    ANZAC : 16 / 23
    French : 9 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[wheatbeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :6

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed

Combat Move - Chinese

Combat - Chinese

Non Combat Move - Chinese

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 0 PUs; end with 2 PUs total

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 40 / 50
    Russians : 23 / 34
    Japanese : 65 / 65
    Americans : 54 / 74
    Chinese : 0 / 2
    British : 30 / 35
    UK_Pacific : 5 / 7
    Italians : 23 / 31
    ANZAC : 16 / 23
    French : 9 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[wheatbeer]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :6

Combat Move - British
            2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Egypt to 81 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Trans-Jordan to 81 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 2 artilleries, 3 infantry and 3 transports moved from 81 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from 95 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Egypt to Southern Italy
            1 bomber moved from Gibraltar to Southern Italy
            1 cruiser moved from 81 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from Gibraltar to 95 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from India to Burma
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Burma
            1 armour moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 95 Sea Zone to Southern Italy

[wheatbeer]

need scramble orders SZ95

[666]

@wheatbeer:

With a default (non-ideal) OOL dskelly gives a 59% odds of a US “win”. Dskelly doesn’t count mutual annihilation as a win though.

If you change the OOL to sink the carrier first (like I did), the odds that I clear the SZ are 71%

dskelly?

Agreed, it was risky though, IMO….I typically don’t take enough risks, which at times creates problems for me…

[666]

@wheatbeer:

need scramble orders SZ95

wow, you are going into southern italy now……Do you have a good chance here? Are you on tilt??

[wheatbeer]

http://www.dskelly.com/misc/aa/aasim.html

It’s a great sim, though unlike aacalc, you can’t do 1/2/3 round odds, only full battle runs.

[wheatbeer]

I think the odds of UK victory are in the upper 50s … would have been higher if US took NITA since the UK could have brought 3 additional planes.

[wheatbeer]

Estimated wrong … UK odds of taking Rome are 49.4% (assuming max defense OOL, i.e. aa, then strat, then inf)

[666]

@wheatbeer:

need scramble orders SZ95

no scramble

[666]

@wheatbeer:

Estimated wrong … UK odds of taking Rome are 49.4% (assuming max defense OOL, i.e. aa, then strat, then inf)

yes please use max D for Rome. Hit with those AA guns again, please

[wheatbeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :6

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Egypt to 81 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Trans-Jordan to 81 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 2 artilleries, 3 infantry and 3 transports moved from 81 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from 95 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Egypt to Southern Italy
            1 bomber moved from Gibraltar to Southern Italy
            1 cruiser moved from 81 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from Gibraltar to 95 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from India to Burma
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Burma
            1 armour moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 95 Sea Zone to Southern Italy

Combat - British
            Battle in Southern Italy
                British attack with 2 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 1 bomber and 1 tactical_bomber; Italians defend with 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 9 infantry
                    AA guns fire in Southern Italy :  1/3 hits
                    1 fighter owned by the British lost in Southern Italy
                    British roll dice for 1 cruiser in Southern Italy, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    British roll dice for 2 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 bomber, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Southern Italy, round 1 :  7/11 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 9 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Southern Italy, round 1 :  4/13 hits
                    4 infantry owned by the British , 1 aaGun owned by the Italians , 1 bomber owned by the Germans , 1 bomber owned by the Italians and 4 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Southern Italy
                    British roll dice for 2 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 bomber and 1 tactical_bomber in Southern Italy, round 2 :  3/7 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 artillery, 5 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Southern Italy, round 2 :  3/7 hits
                    3 artilleries owned by the British and 3 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Southern Italy
                    British roll dice for 2 armour, 1 bomber and 1 tactical_bomber in Southern Italy, round 3 :  3/4 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Southern Italy, round 3 :  2/4 hits
                    1 tactical_bomber owned by the British , 1 armour owned by the British , 1 artillery owned by the Italians and 2 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Southern Italy
                    British roll dice for 1 armour and 1 bomber in Southern Italy, round 4 :  1/2 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 tactical_bomber in Southern Italy, round 4 :  0/1 hits
                    1 tactical_bomber owned by the Germans lost in Southern Italy
                British captures 31PUs while taking Italians capital
                British win, taking Southern Italy from Italians with 1 armour and 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 20
                Casualties for Germans: 1 bomber and 1 tactical_bomber
                Casualties for British: 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Casualties for Italians: 1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 9 infantry
            Battle in Burma
                British attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                    British roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Burma, round 1 :  0/4 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Burma, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Burma, round 2 :  1/4 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Burma, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Burma
                British win, taking Burma from Japanese with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - British
            1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Tunisia
            1 destroyer moved from 91 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
            1 carrier and 2 fighters moved from 81 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from 95 Sea Zone to Tunisia
            1 fighter moved from Trans-Jordan to Tunisia
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Burma to India
            1 aaGun, 5 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt

Place Units - British
            3 infantry placed in Egypt
            1 fighter and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Persia
            1 destroyer placed in 106 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - British
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,1,6,1,1,5,3,3
            British collect 30 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 61 PUs total
            Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 66 PUs

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            2 infantry placed in India

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 6 PUs; end with 7 PUs total
            Some Units in India change ownership: 2 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 40 / 50
    Russians : 23 / 34
    Japanese : 64 / 65
    Americans : 54 / 74
    Chinese : 0 / 2
    British : 33 / 66
    UK_Pacific : 6 / 7
    Italians : 20 / 0
    ANZAC : 16 / 23
    French : 9 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0