Buying a Destroyer for the Soviet Baltic Fleet

@weddingsinger said in Large sub buy for Germany?:

Anyone try something a bit different, like a G2 larger sub buy for Germany?

Presumably something like 10 mechs and 6 subs would be useful. 6 subs plus 4 bombers gets you plenty of opportunities against Allied navy at Gibraltor or to start convoying England. But subs are soooo bad at defending it seems it would be easy to lose.

Anyone try something like this? Or anything else unusual?

Admiral Raeder approves :)

sorry that’s all i have to add to the discussion : )

@Caesar:

It may be a rule in 1941 as I swear I read it there saying that if you refuse to place units that turn, you must be refunded.

All the rules for all the editions are archived here, if you want to check:

http://www.axisandallies.org/resources-downloads/

I was looking for something clear like that but could not find it. Thank you very much for taking the time. I appreciate it.

@robbie358:

Again, I’m looking for:

'42.2 “new” chips '41 “paper” chips Japan control markers from '40.2

I have to trade:

'40.2 “old” chips painted P-40

I will give you every cardboard chip I have from both copies of '41 for one of the flying tigers

Since a 2nd printing is not too far off, I’m just going to wait until then.  I am very excited to buy and play this version of A&A since I had played the Classic and Europe versions well over 100 times.  Is the general thinking that the 2nd printing of both Europe 1940 and Pacific 1940 will be available in Q4 of 2012?

Bear in mind that the USSR moves before England does (OOB) and before America and England (Alpha 2) thus it can be used for the “Can Opener” maneuver as well.  (Pop a blocking destroyer so the war fleets can sink the Italian/German navy and invade Hamburg/Frankfurt Germany, Berlin Germany, Rome Italy, whatever.)

If for no other reason, moving the Russian submarine to the combined Anglo-American fleet in the Atlantic might be worth it.

And, to belabor the point, it is another defending ship if your Anglo-American fleet is ever attacked, and one that neither England nor America has to purchase.

Note, these are the same arguments for using the Russian Submarine in previous versions of the game.  It’s always been semi-useless, but it has also always had a use in the rare situation it was needed.  Sometimes it was America who had to make a hole for the Russian due to the turn order, but it was the same basic situation.  Another unit that the Axis have to account for if you use it properly.  Sure, if you sit the submarine off the Cape of Good Hope (S. Africa) the Axis can virtually ignore it.  If it’s near Panama, the Axis can ignore it.  But why not use it as another unit with the Anglo-American flotilla?  It does not cost anything, it cannot be used to defend Russia in any meaningful way and if you do not use it thusly, you are essentially giving the Germans (and maybe the Japanese if you move it to the Pacific/Indian Oceans) a 6 IPC bid. (8 classic, but you dont start with a submarine in classic)

@Applesauce234:

Oh really? I thought the destroyers need only be present in the sea zone to neutralize the subs’ abilities.

I believe that’s what it says in the manual :/

Then again, I haven’t familiarized myself with any errata.

This IS in the manual and has no mention in the Errata (though it might be in the faq portion).

On defense, any units that are allied together defend together.  But on Offence ONLY the attacking power participates.  This is how it has always been.  So on the US turn, only us units are involved in the attack, the british destroyer does not participate and thus cannot allow the bomber to detect the subs.

What stops US or UK placing 4-5 fighters in Gibraltar. Each would roll a 2 vs a 1 the escorting fighters if any(lack range i think) might get. Each Bombing raid would cost the attacker 1-2 bombers from defending fighters before you roll AA.