Thank you Worsham. That explains a lot.
Why no flanking amphibious invasion in WWI?
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@Imperious:
They didn’t take Caen correct. Nobody got their objectives on D+1
There where 5,000 Canadians raiding the Dieppe harbor, of which about only 1,500 returned to England that day.
Hello joke.
Churchill always uses ‘colonial troops’ for invasions he has little confidence in.
In other words, he used them all the time.
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@Imperious:
They didn’t take Caen correct. Nobody got their objectives on D+1
There where 5,000 Canadians raiding the Dieppe harbor, of which about only 1,500 returned to England that day.
Hello joke.
Churchill always uses ‘colonial troops’ for invasions he has little confidence in.
In other words, he used them all the time.
No Colonials in Narvik though!
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@Imperious:
Dieppe was to see how Canadians fight. Obviously, they used less of them for the real thing.
There is NEW EVIDANCE from recently declasified documents that the Dieppe raid was actualy a diversion for a very important Intelligance operation. Anyone else hear about this?
Interesting stuff….
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@Imperious:
They didn’t take Caen correct. Nobody got their objectives on D+1
There where 5,000 Canadians raiding the Dieppe harbor, of which about only 1,500 returned to England that day.
Hello joke.
Churchill always uses ‘colonial troops’ for invasions he has little confidence in.
Well he sent the Americans in for D-day didn’t he?
As for D-day, despite meeting some of the heaviest resistance; The only unit to accomplish it’s set objectives on D-day was a Canadian unit, 7th brigade or 3rd division; And the 3rd Canadian Infantry Division succeeded in pushing farther inland than any other landing force on D-Day. Even the American “Airborne” Landings.
Mark Zuehlke notes that “the Canadians ended the day ahead of either the US or British divisions despite the facts that they landed last and that only the Americans at Omaha faced more difficulty winning a toehold on the sand”, suggesting that the calibre of the training the 3rd Canadian Infantry Division had received beforehand explains their success.
I find your comments pretty sub-par IL.
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Well he sent the Americans in for D-day didn’t he?
Yea for the real invasion they mostly used American and British, fewer Canadians.
Fear of them going Zombie or something.
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@Imperious:
Well he sent the Americans in for D-day didn’t he?
Yea for the real invasion they mostly used American and British, fewer Canadians.
Fear of them going Zombie or something.
Proportionally, the Americans were under-represented on D-Day, with less than half the force.
A couple months later, I’m fairly certain that the American made more than half of the force.
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Proportionally
On D-Day, the Allies landed around 156,000 troops in Normandy. The American forces landed numbered 73,000: 23,250 on Utah Beach, 34,250 on Omaha Beach, and 15,500 airborne troops. In the British and Canadian sector, 83,115 troops were landed (61,715 of them British): 24,970 on Gold Beach, 21,400 on Juno Beach, 28,845 on Sword Beach, and 7900 airborne troops.
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@Imperious:
Proportionally
On D-Day, the Allies landed around 156,000 troops in Normandy. The American forces landed numbered 73,000: 23,250 on Utah Beach, 34,250 on Omaha Beach, and 15,500 airborne troops. In the British and Canadian sector, 83,115 troops were landed (61,715 of them British): 24,970 on Gold Beach, 21,400 on Juno Beach, 28,845 on Sword Beach, and 7900 airborne troops.
That’s what I was saying, less than half. Just look at the final position of field armies in Europe and it will be clear that the American made a lot more than half of West Allies forces at the end. I think politics played a role and the US needed to make room for the glory day, basically.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Allied_army_positions_on_10_May_1945.png
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Part Timers, just like in WW1.
They weren’t even needed to win.
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I don’t even know why we’re having this conversation. IL dad was probably a draft dodger, and his grandpappy a conscientious objector.
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No a zombie from Canada actually. Fought in World War Z with the rest of the Canadians.
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@Imperious:
Proportionally
On D-Day, the Allies landed around 156,000 troops in Normandy. The American forces landed numbered 73,000: 23,250 on Utah Beach, 34,250 on Omaha Beach, and 15,500 airborne troops. In the British and Canadian sector, 83,115 troops were landed (61,715 of them British): 24,970 on Gold Beach, 21,400 on Juno Beach, 28,845 on Sword Beach, and 7900 airborne troops.
That’s what I was saying, less than half. Just look at the final position of field armies in Europe and it will be clear that the American made a lot more than half of West Allies forces at the end. I think politics played a role and the US needed to make room for the glory day, basically.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Allied_army_positions_on_10_May_1945.png
Lets not forget ITALY. Many of the Commonwealth and Allied forces were engaged in the Italian Campaign. The US pulled forces from this theater to launch the Normandy invasion.
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wow ,you guys jumped like 30 years or so, amazing… :lol:
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@aequitas:
wow ,you guys jumped like 30 years or so, amazing… :lol:
lol
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@Imperious:
Proportionally
On D-Day, the Allies landed around 156,000 troops in Normandy. The American forces landed numbered 73,000: 23,250 on Utah Beach, 34,250 on Omaha Beach, and 15,500 airborne troops. In the British and Canadian sector, 83,115 troops were landed (61,715 of them British): 24,970 on Gold Beach, 21,400 on Juno Beach, 28,845 on Sword Beach, and 7900 airborne troops.
That’s what I was saying, less than half. Just look at the final position of field armies in Europe and it will be clear that the American made a lot more than half of West Allies forces at the end. I think politics played a role and the US needed to make room for the glory day, basically.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Allied_army_positions_on_10_May_1945.png
Lets not forget ITALY. Many of the Commonwealth and Allied forces were engaged in the Italian Campaign. The US pulled forces from this theater to launch the Normandy invasion.
We see the 8th army on the map (in Italy)
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Yea and the British really didn’t complete that campaign. Stopped by Luftwaffe divisions, mountains, and Italians.
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Yeah and Kasserine Pass was such an American success.
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For a few days, then we clobbered them. Italy not so much.
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@Imperious:
For a few days, then we clobbered them. Italy not so much.
The terrain of ITALY is very difficult do not forget… AND the forces deployed there were serverly short of supplies and new troops due to the build up for OverLord.
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