Global 2nd edition Q+A ( AAG40.2)

  • Official Q&A

    @Boldfresh:

    What is the last sentence referring to.  Seems a contradiction.

    It refers to the rules on Sea Units Starting in Hostile Sea Zones.  How is it contradictory?

    @Gamerman01:

    The problem is the rulebook has not been corrected.  That’s a FAQ that contradicts the rulebook.

    I see it as an expansion rather than a contradiction.  The Rulebook explains moving from a hostile sea zone to escape combat, and this FAQ expands that rule to include friendly sea zones in which combat will occur.

  • '16 '15 '10

    I’m fuzzy on how this effects transports and non-combat moves.  If there’s an enemy sub and I want to attack it, does that prevent me from loading a transport (starting in the same zone) for a non-combat move?

    If so, imagine the units are already loaded onto the transport (from the turn before).  Could I go ahead an execute my non-combat move as a movement away from the combat zone in combat-move mode?


  • @Zhukov44:

    I’m fuzzy on how this effects transports and non-combat moves.  If there’s an enemy sub and I want to attack it, does that prevent me from loading a transport (starting in the same zone) for a non-combat move?

    Absolutely.  You’re moving the transports out of the zone in the combat movement phase to avoid combat.

    If so, imagine the units are already loaded onto the transport (from the turn before).  Could I go ahead an execute my non-combat move as a movement away from the combat zone in combat-move mode?

    You can move the loaded transport away from the zone in the combat movement phase, but you can’t unload it in the non-combat movement phase.  You could only unload them if doing an amphibious assault.

    I posted discussion on this topic this afternoon on the 2014 and 2015 league rules stickied threads.  You will want to read those (copy in both - so you only need to check one)


  • Sounds weird! Still problematic.

    My instinct tells me the intention is to allow all units in that seazone to do non-combat move, whatever that might be (including upload and offload), in combat move phase.


  • You will need Krieghund to confirm, but I don’t think that’s the intention, no.

    I knew you wouldn’t like it, Q  :lol:

    But Krieghund only said that the part about escaping a HOSTILE sea zone was the unintended part.  You still have subs allowed to noncom into destroyers and whenever you load transports in the combat movement phase, they MUST amphibiously assault (or attempt amphibious assault)
    And the only way to move transports away from a sub-infested zone when you are attacking the subs is to COMBAT MOVE them away from the zone to escape combat (we now know - the rulebook said for years that you couldn’t, but that’s the part you helped us find this unintended error)

    Top of page 16 in rule book, 2nd para under transports


  • Magic Q: the one thing you cannot do, is load Transports in the Combat Move and not amphibiously land. Otherwise, I think you got it.

  • Official Q&A

    @Gamerman01:

    You will need Krieghund to confirm, but I don’t think that’s the intention, no.

    Confirmed.

    @Gamerman01:

    But Krieghund only said that the part about escaping a HOSTILE sea zone was the unintended part.  You still have subs allowed to noncom into destroyers and whenever you load transports in the combat movement phase, they MUST amphibiously assault (or attempt amphibious assault)
    And the only way to move transports away from a sub-infested zone when you are attacking the subs is to COMBAT MOVE them away from the zone to escape combat (we now know - the rulebook said for years that you couldn’t, but that’s the part you helped us find this unintended error)

    Top of page 16 in rule book, 2nd para under transports

    Yes.  If your units begin the turn in a sea zone containing only enemy subs and/or transports (thus friendly), you may either attack them or not.  If you attack them, your units must either stay and participate in the attack (thus giving up the ability to move in noncombat movement) or move away in combat movement, following the rules regarding moving away from a hostile sea zone to avoid combat.  If you don’t attack them, you are free to move your units normally, in either combat or noncombat movement.


  • Questions on Germany and Russia mechanics while NOT at war:

    1. German fleet is in sz112, Russia moved her CR & SS to 113.  Can Germany move to 113 and load TT? (Assume yes since not at war)
    2. Can Germany then attack Leningrad with those transports?
    3. Could Germany instead load in sz112 for Sea Lion and attack Russia elsewhere on land?

    Just trying to understand if I load TT’s in sz113 in combat phase if I’m allowed to also attack Russia that turn or if I would have to wait until the following turn to do so.  I think there’s a rule where Japan can load TT’s in what would be a hostile sea zone, and then declare war after loading in the combat phase.  Can Germany do the same?


  • @IKE:

    Questions on Germany and Russia mechanics while NOT at war:

    1. German fleet is in sz112, Russia moved her CR & SS to 113.  Can Germany move to 113 and load TT? (Assume yes since not at war)

    Yes, as long as Germany didn’t just DW on Russia

    2. Can Germany then attack Leningrad with those transports?

    No, that would require a DOW on Russia at the beginning of the combat movement phase.  Then they can’t move through 113 in a combat move because 113 is hostile.

    3. Could Germany instead load in sz112 for Sea Lion and attack Russia elsewhere on land?

    Sea Lion??  See answers below.

    Just trying to understand if I load TT’s in sz113 in combat phase if I’m allowed to also attack Russia that turn or if I would have to wait until the following turn to do so.  I think there’s a rule where Japan can load TT’s in what would be a hostile sea zone, and then declare war after loading in the combat phase.  Can Germany do the same?

    No difference between Germany and Japan.  I think this is your confusion:
    You can load transports in combat move in a zone that JUST became hostile because of your DOW, and yes you can attack that power immediately.  However, in your example, you started in 112 and the surface warship is in 113.  You can’t move into another zone of the power you just declared war on and ignore those units.  The exception is only for the zone you started in, if it is occupied by the power you just declared war on.

    So, if your German fleet is in 113 and the Russian fleet is in 113, you can declare war on Russia, load up the transports, and go attack Russia or UK or anyone.
    However, your German fleet is not in 113, so if you declare war on Russia, any combat move to 113 would require combat with the Russian fleet in 113.  You can attack Russia to the North (go up around Scandinavia) because the Russian fleet is not between you and Russia, going that route.


  • @Gamerman01:

    The exception is only for the zone you started in, if it is occupied by the power you just declared war on.

    Thank you Gamerman, this is the rule that clears up my confusion.

    I have to load in sz113 since all my units are in Germany, thus I must stay neutral with Russia.  That is clear now.

  • '12

    who can remind me, i’m blanking on this at the moment.  what if usa attacks japan and there is a sub in z6.  there is no destroyer attacking, only an escorting acc.  usa intends to ignore the sub and land on japan proper.  japan uses a kamikazi attack on the acc.  does the use of the kami allow the sub to fight, ie no longer be ignored, since combat is occurring?


  • @Boldfresh:

    who can remind me, i’m blanking on this at the moment.  what if usa attacks japan and there is a sub in z6.  there is no destroyer attacking, only an escorting acc.  usa intends to ignore the sub and land on japan proper.  japan uses a kamikazi attack on the acc.  does the use of the kami allow the sub to fight, ie no longer be ignored, since combat is occurring?

    I believe so, just like the kami would prevent bombardments because it forces combat in that sea zone.


  • Pretty good answer, Ike, and I also seem to recall that kamikazes force combat, but couldn’t remember what Krieghund said for sure.

    Looking in the rulebook, it explicitly states that kamikazes are done before combat, and prevent bombardment, but I didn’t see anything about it creating combat in the zone.

    I don’t think anyone less than Krieghund can answer this question 100%, unless it’s someone who remembers or quotes what Krieghund said earlier  :wink:


  • I am going to throw my hat in the ring and say that the Sub cannot be activated as I cannot find any evidence of a Kamikaze making a SZ Hostile.
    Like you, Gamerman, I would love to hear Krieghund’s ruling, however.

  • Official Q&A

    A kamikaze strike does not constitute a battle, so the sub can still be ignored.


  • @Krieghund:

    A kamikaze strike does not constitute a battle, so the sub can still be ignored.

    I’m left wondering if a kami does not constitute a battle then why would it prevent bombardments?

    Thank you

  • Official Q&A

    While a kamikaze attack by itself doesn’t embroil the entire sea zone in a battle, it does disrupt the target fleet enough that it can’t provide bombardment support.

  • '17

    If the Soviets are at war with Italy, but not at war with Germany can they collect the Lend Lease NO if there is a German sub in SZ125?

    (may need a ruling for a game)

  • '12

    @wheatbeer:

    If the Soviets are at war with Italy, but not at war with Germany can they collect the Lend Lease NO if there is a German sub in SZ125?

    (may need a ruling for a game)

    German sub negates the no even if Russia not at war with germany.

  • '16 '15 '10

    Well the reason this came up is following Italy’s declaration on Russia and invasion of Russia, Germany did not declare on Russia, but moved forces into formerly Russian territory.  Should Germany get the peacetime NO in that scenario?

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