@seancb said in The cheezy retreat from Yugoslavia to Romania on G2:
to everyone here. I was simply asking for opinions. I think its BS and wondering how you all handle this. Our method is you retreat the direction you came from. maybe this is house rule crap. I dont know. I’m not some rules expert.
Ya seancb. I get your point but it’s allowed in game based on the official rules.
Ain’t changed since Classic and don’t see it changing ever.
So if you do what you say and retreat why is ok for the units to move a 3rd time west ?
If tanks move 2 to Yugo from France, do a 1 impulse then retreat it’s still a 3 move. So it has to be for all moves in any combats based on rule.
My opinion is if you own the territory at start of combat you should be able to retreat to it whether 1, 2 or 3 move.
As u said u housed ruled it.
If it helps, remember this is an extremely abstracted war game. It doesn’t make any less sense that an army taking the same amount of time to travel from Paris to Berlin as Calcutta to Kunming or New York to San Francisco.
However, to everyone confident that this is completely fine and will never change, remember that Wall 'o Transports was canon for 2 decades before that garbage was finally addressed.
@nishav agreed. There are games that are far more historically accurate compared to G40. Most are focused on small theaters of operations to accurately match the tactical reality. I am not going to sit down for 100 hours to play World in Flames. Too long for me personally.
I don’t see a way to have a 4-10h game that allows flexible decisions on a global basis that are much more realistic as it becomes increasingly scripted on valid strategies. We already have so many constraints in League play that you don’t see moves like Sealion or Pearl Harbor as they are rarely viable against high-level opponents.
What’s the wall of transports? I’m a newer player so I don’t know what you’re talking about-you’re right with the abstraction of distances. It takes four times as long to travel by car from New York to San Francisco as Berlin to Paris.
On the subject matter, I think that there is no need to be corrected. That’s one of the reasons that makes the game so fun, using loopholes to do cool moves like that. Like I do, if you want to amend the rules to make things more accurate, energy is far better directed at differences of quality in units and making Vichy France, for a start (I made a long article talking about how The Captain’s house rules can be more accurate).
@superbattleshipyamato said in The cheezy retreat from Yugoslavia to Romania on G2:
@nishav
What’s the wall of transports?
In the original Classic (2nd Edition) and Revised rulesets transports defended at 1 and could be taken as casualties. Thus with a large enough fleet of cheap transports it was almost impossible to attack them. This was changed with the Anniversary Edition ruleset, and later Global 1940 ruleset, that removed both capabilities.
@superbattleshipyamato Your transport question was already answered above but I will say that every group is different and thus every house rule set has to have different bounds. While I grew up playing Age of Renaissance, Hero Quest, D&D, and Kingmaker our longest tenured player is 70+ and doesn’t adapt to significant rule changes quickly. So while I’m perfectly down for World in Flames or Battle for North Africa many of our house rules have to remain within the bounds of Axis and Allies. There was an old Xeno Games expansion/alternate ruleset for A&A called World at War that was quite fun you might want to look at. Had a rule for Germany to assassinate Hitler that I always loved.
@nishav said in The cheezy retreat from Yugoslavia to Romania on G2:
Had a rule for Germany to assassinate Hitler that I always loved.
Yeah, you had to roll a 1 or 2 if I remember correctly and if the assassination attempt failed you lost, what was it, 2 infantry and an armor? If you succeeded you collected $5 more each Turn.
Interesting. Thank you for responding!
Nice gamble.
@andrewaagamer 1-2, you killed him and got permanent $5 bonus, 3-5 you failed nothing happens, 6 you failed and you have to remove 2 German Infantry and 2 German Armor.
@nishav said in The cheezy retreat from Yugoslavia to Romania on G2:
@andrewaagamer 1-2, you killed him and got permanent $5 bonus, 3-5 you failed nothing happens, 6 you failed and you have to remove 2 German Infantry and 2 German Armor.
Which was funny because that was better odds than any other actual attempt. There was really no incentive not to try it.
@squirecam timing was everything. You could maximize your income by trying turn one but you also had to get Poland and France turn 1 so losing a 1/4 of your army would be problematic. You also had to make the attempt during the purchase units phase of the turn.
By your logic every retreat would be bogus because let’s say your infantry want to retreat but ooops they already moved their 1 movement space into combat
And most experienced players hit Yugoslavia Germany t1 ping pong into Romania and let Italy mop it up
Mop it up = Lip Locks !
@burgh-gamer-67 the logic holds, they march forward, then they retreat back, the problem that people have with this abstraction is that the units “retreat” forward
Except they’re not, they’re retreating back to another space (remember that one unit from Romania needs to come in). And what is your definition of “retreating back”, anyway? If you mean that you or someone else wants units so they can only retreat to the territory they came from, then the logic holds (I do not support this).
@superbattleshipyamato when 2 armies approach an opponent from opposite directions, engage in battle, and then retreat, the opponent does not open his lines to allow one army to join the other in retreating in one direction
Well, due to how strategic the game is, the armies might have linked up.
@nishav there are sub forums for house rules. You are welcome to have as many rules as you want to improve gameplay and/or realism. This isn’t the right place to be discussing it.
