@taamvan said in Game 203 Report: What happens when you do everything right?:
@squirecam I wont convince you, but I disagree. The game works great and AAA has glaring flaws I can’t overcome. Mostly I just want to play with my buddies, y’all.
Im still unclear on the flaws of AAA vs this abomination…
@aardvarkpepper said in Game 203 Report: What happens when you do everything right?:
French Equatorial Africa, well. Maybe they had family there and wanted to visit?
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As to being aggressive / rude at tournaments - no. If they’re deliberately stalling you, they’ll be well prepared for aggressive or rude responses. I’d guess typical rejoinders would be “he’s shouting at me so I need a moment to think” (trying to get the judge to penalize you for delay, not them) or “would you check this guy out, can someone do something about this” (delaying the game further) or a bunch of things I can think of actually that I’ve seen in other tournaments though I’ve never been to an A&A tournament. Best thing I think is just remain calm and get a judge.
I mean, maybe it’s all an honest mistake (or maybe that player just really needs to take their time), who knows? Maybe you’re overreacting. (Maybe not. But maybe.) And if a judge comes along, probably they won’t penalize anyone for stalling, things being what they are nobody wants to make waves, but if you complain about that player and another player complains, at some point that player’s going to get a reputation. So make it official, it’s the best way.
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As to fighters not landing / crashing when a defending carrier is destroyed - that was known behavior, not a bug, as far as I knew. It’s in the list of changes Beamdog published that changed the original rules - along with defender profiles and inability to use allied transports and carriers. Well if they’re calling it a bug that’s fine by me; I prefer the board game rules anyways.
@squirecam said in [Game 203 Report: What happens when you do everything right?]
Do these developers even play the game?
Well imagine you’re a casual player and maybe you played once or twice, and you thought it was fun, then after years of never thinking about it maybe your company has a job doing it, then of course the office gets together and does some games, and everyone’s a casual player and has a good time, but maybe foresees some difficulties with certain features so changes are made. And of course nobody thinks anything of these changes, because stuff like 60% as opposed to 85%, or changing key timings so there’s 85% instead of 35%, or whatever, so what? I mean, that’s for nerds right? Does anyone take that sort of thing seriously?
Then some very fervent but inarticulate people say “omg you can’t do that!” but well, you know, EVERY game has their diehards, so who’s to say what’s actually the case? Maybe if casuals are the target market, the concerns of diehards aren’t actually so serious?
I said something about allied transports and carriers being a big change, what with changing UK fighters to India if you want to try that, importance of combined fleet timings, and whatnot, but woosh! the point was missed. it’s like, well, the rules are the same for both sides right? so what’s the big deal?
I mean, sure, right, if they didn’t play the game, maybe they would take it more seriously, my guess is they did play the game but maybe missed some of the finer points.
. . . those finer points which STAB YOU LIKE A SWORD IN THE HANDS OF A SKILLED PLAYER
oh well hopefully they’ll come around.
Then they shouldn’t be changing rules if they are casual players. If they don’t play at all, then its even more applicable.
Its not “even” since the Axis can rarely swap fighters on allied carriers or use each others transports.
I’d hate to see what they’d do to AA50 or Global…
@DoManMacgee said in Game 203 Report: What happens when you do everything right?:
@DoManMacgee - French Equatorial Africa, not French West Africa?
No. French Equatorial Africa. Looking at a map, it’s SZ26. Completely removed from anything even remotely relevant. I’ve had some very odd players in my games, to say the least. It’s gotten to the point where I’ll only do 1v1s if I’m going to be playing Allies. Both of my losses so far stem from bad teammates (although to be fair, one of them wasn’t so much the teammate’s fault as it was bad dice R1, but I’ve griped about that enough in the 42SE board).
The only time I ever go down to that SZ as USA is if Germany has expanded everywhere in Africa and I need to get them out yesterday.
Interesting that slow-play is a problem at the large tournaments. I imagine games can often come down to extremely dicey all-ins revolving around Karelia/India/Philippines once things get close to the time limit. I’m sure if you’re aggressive/rude enough you can get your opponents to stop stalling and move, though.
AAO having weird rules
Why is this supposed to happen? Why can’t they get the rules correct first, before putting the game out for sale?
It’s that, or they are deciding their own rules…which is worse. Then it’s not AA42 but a home variant passed off as the game.
Stuff like Allied Carriers and Allied Transports are things Beamdog said they changed for the sake of “simplifying the game for Asyncrhonous play” (it’s stupid, I know, don’t shoot the messenger). The thing with FTRs not having to land/crash when a Carrier dies is something I reported a few days ago. They said it’s a known bug and they’re still working on a fix for it.
The game’s basically in an open beta right now, which is why it’s still a mess. On-launch the game was a complete disaster that was borderline unplayable (constant crashing, slow-as-molasses, etc.). It’s gotten much better over the past 4 weeks or so. They even added LHTR as a setup option in the latest update (after huge demand for it from us/others on Steam).
Do these developers even play the game?
@aardvarkpepper said in Game 203 Report: What happens when you do everything right?:
@taamvan said in Game 203 Report: What happens when you do everything right?:
@squirecam I wont convince you, but I disagree. The game works great and AAA has glaring flaws I can’t overcome. Mostly I just want to play with my buddies, y’all.
which flaws?
I mean, AXAO you can’t use allied transports or carriers. Defending fighters float if their carrier’s destroyed (don’t need to land at all, just stay in the sea zone). Defensive profiles eurgh. I mentioned attacking the Japanese submarine, but there’s loads more times when def profiles just don’t get it done. Then there’s things like needing to assign casualties after each group of similarly valued units, unlike having all rolls in a sub-phase totaled before assigning casualties. Bugs. Like if you have a submarine and there’s an enemy submarine in the same zone (applies to other stuff too I think) then you can’t move your submarine out of combat unless it’s into a another combat; unlike in the board game you can’t move to a neutral sea zone and just hang out at all. Also various bugs.
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Well it’s early days for AXAO yet. Still Early Access, this stuff is supposed to happen. Well we’ll see how it turns out.
Why is this supposed to happen? Why can’t they get the rules correct first, before putting the game out for sale?
It’s that, or they are deciding their own rules…which is worse. Then it’s not AA42 but a home variant passed off as the game.
@taamvan said in Game 203 Report: What happens when you do everything right?:
About the Tournament, its 5 hours. Since the Axis can take and hold Karelia, they can also sandbag the victory by playing REALLY slowly. In order to win, you have to take the phillipines and kiangsi or whatever that one is called. Even if the other players are going really slow, there is an art to prodding them, and Greg will come over and insist on fast play–they also have a rule about starting a new turn during the 45 minutes “end time”–when that’s called, you only play out that remaning turn. If its not, you start a fresh turn and finish that out to end the game.
There is def. an art to winning in that setting, with careful attention to things like rolling and casualties–our opponent asked to invalidate several rolls because the dice got swept before he saw them.
Yes, the bid goes to a sub for SZ37 (“The Black Queen Gambit” is what I call that attack). In one of the games, 2 subs lived (make sure selective rolling is done for the SZ37 battle because many pieces cannot hit everything present, on both sides, because no DDs). Those 2 subs went on to sink 2 destroyers and 1 transport. If japan doesnt build any DD, they have so few…that’s why I favor ripping stacks of subs for USA and Japan (and germany)
In AXAO…last night USA stepped up and I wiped his entire fleet, keeping all my surface ships -1 DD and losing 6 subs
Yeah, I have been beaten, much to my shame. I prefer to play an entire team myself as its disappointing to lose against weak players because your partner(s) are even worse.
Still hoping to get a game with the folks here going–but hordes of noobs keep joining my “Axa.org Only” games…
Think of it as teaching them the game. 
As for me, I’m not going to play it. It’s too inferior to AA50, and AAA anyway.
@Krieghund said in AAZ Rule question: Background fire by Battleships:
AAA is the only case.
Always the stepchild…
@Striker said in Broken, Busted, or Both:
The technique is perhaps a cheesey strategy, but I disagree with aaz being boring since it adds another dimension to ground warfare beyond “stack everything In one territory, attack with 2 infantry and air to clear a territory and leave a single speed bump, rinse and repeat”
Those little battles matter, especially if you need them to block an assault on Moscow.
There are several FTF tournaments during the year. Origins in Columbus, Gencon in Indianapolis, three CA tournaments, and many others. You should find good competition at many conventions, though I think the cream of the crop attend Gencon.
@DoManMacgee said in 1940 vs anniversary balance:
@taamvan said in 1940 vs anniversary balance:
@DoManMacgee Because tanks are so cheap, they’re a yes–even for loading on transports. I see few reasons for Russia to buy anything else because they add punch and threat AND are great defenders (for 5). At 6 then they’re correctly costed for the larger boards and to keep 42.2 competitive.
The Masters Invitational is on the AA50/42 board, which is why im so interested. Unf I was too preoccupied with the other tourney to see how the games actually play out.
What’s the Master’s Invitational? A TripleA thing?
The masters is an 8 team two bracket event made up of the top teams/players. You play every team in your bracket, so you are guaranteed 3 games. The top 2 teams of each bracket advance to single elimination. The top 3 finishers return to the masters, along with the top 3 teams from the AA50 event. Other teams get invited based on strength of play/history/etc.
Yes, it was done both to recognize the top teams, and to give other players a better chance of winning the “mega” tournament which was purely single elimination. This event started in the classic era, and changed to revised in 2005. It now uses AA50, as it should.
