Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB

[farmboy]

@trulpen looks good.

I would have suggested waiting on Somaliland to put more pressure on Japan with that fleet. But I can see why that was worth it. And the pressure can come later if you want.

My only practical suggestion is for the UK bomber to go to the USSR now so that it can land in the middle East next turn. From there it can threaten both Japan and the Mediterranean.

[trulpenplay]

TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 3

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0

Game History

Round: 3

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 2 carriers, 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Politics - Americans
        Trigger Americans Friendly With Mongolians activates a trigger called: Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians

    Combat Move - Americans
        1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 transports moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        1 cruiser moved from 89 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from 89 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        1 bomber moved from British Guiana to Gibraltar

    Combat - Americans
        Battle in Gibraltar
            Americans attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            Italians defend with 1 harbour and 2 infantry
                Americans roll dice for 1 cruiser in Gibraltar, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Gibraltar, round 2 : 5/7 hits, 2,67 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 2 infantry in Gibraltar, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Americans and 2 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Gibraltar
            Americans win, taking Gibraltar from Italians with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Italians: 2 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        1 bomber moved from Gibraltar to Morocco
        2 fighters moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
        2 carriers moved from 89 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 89 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Western United States to Hawaiian Islands
        1 destroyer moved from 25 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Caroline Islands to 33 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland
        2 submarines moved from 30 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters and 1 submarine moved from 33 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from 89 Sea Zone to 88 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 infantry moved from British Guiana to 88 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 88 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
        1 aaGun moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Central United States to Western United States
        1 aaGun and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 88 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from British Guiana to 88 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 88 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
        1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 88 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from British Guiana to 88 Sea Zone
        1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 88 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco

    Place Units - Americans
        2 carriers and 1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone
        1 infantry placed in Western United States
        3 fighters placed in Eastern United States

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 52 PUs
        Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 62 PUs
        Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs
        Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Artillery Supplies: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Open
        Chinese buy 3 artilleries and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Chinese
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        2 infantry moved from Kweichow to Shensi
        1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Shensi
        EDIT: 1 infantry moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland
        EDIT: Chinese undo move 6.
        EDIT: 1 artillery moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
        EDIT: 1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters, 1 infantry, 3 submarines and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        EDIT: 1 artillery moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
        EDIT: 2 fighters moved from Hawaiian Islands to Wake Island
        EDIT: 2 fighters moved from Eastern United States to Western United States
        EDIT: 1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to Western United States

    Combat - Chinese
        Battle in Shensi
            Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Shensi, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Shensi, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Shensi
            Chinese win, taking Shensi from Japanese with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Chinese
        1 fighter moved from Shensi to Kweichow
        1 artillery and 16 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kweichow

    Place Units - Chinese
        1 infantry placed in Tsinghai
        3 artilleries placed in Kweichow

    Turn Complete - Chinese
        Chinese collect 7 PUs; end with 7 PUs
        Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 13 PUs

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 5 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Politics - British
        Trigger British Friendly With Mongolians activates a trigger called: Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians

    Combat Move - British
        1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Shan State
        2 fighters moved from India to Shan State
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Shan State
        1 fighter moved from 81 Sea Zone to British Somaliland
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 81 Sea Zone to British Somaliland
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Egypt to 81 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 81 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 76 Sea Zone to British Somaliland
        2 infantry moved from Tanganyika Territory to 72 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 72 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 76 Sea Zone to British Somaliland
        2 cruisers moved from 81 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 126 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Trans-Jordan to British Somaliland

    Combat - British
        Battle in 126 Sea Zone
            British attack with 1 bomber
            Germans defend with 1 transport
                1 transport owned by the Germans lost in 126 Sea Zone
            British win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for Germans: 1 transport
        Battle in British Somaliland
            British attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Italians defend with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
                British roll dice for 2 cruisers in British Somaliland, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in British Somaliland, round 2 : 2/7 hits, 2,67 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in British Somaliland, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Italians, 3 infantry owned by the Italians and 2 infantry owned by the British lost in British Somaliland
            British win, taking British Somaliland from Italians with 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for British: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery and 3 infantry
        Battle in Shan State
            British attack with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                British roll dice for 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Shan State, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1,83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Shan State, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Shan State
            British win with 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - British
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Shan State to West India
        3 aaGuns, 1 artillery, 10 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from India to West India
        1 infantry moved from Eastern Persia to West India
        1 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Persia
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
        2 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Iraq
        2 fighters moved from British Somaliland to 76 Sea Zone
        1 carrier and 2 destroyers moved from 81 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from British Somaliland to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
        1 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Rhodesia
        1 mech_infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Belgian Congo
        5 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Karelia
        1 bomber moved from 126 Sea Zone to Scotland
        1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kweichow
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Yunnan to Kweichow
        1 destroyer moved from 106 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
        2 cruisers moved from 106 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 battleship moved from 106 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Quebec to 106 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 106 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
        2 submarines moved from 92 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 109 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone

    Place Units - British
        3 infantry placed in Persia
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Egypt
        1 mech_infantry placed in Union of South Africa
        1 fighter placed in United Kingdom

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 30 PUs; end with 30 PUs
        Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 35 PUs

    Place Units - UK_Pacific
        2 infantry placed in India

    Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 39 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,6,1,1,6,4
        UK_Pacific collect 3 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 3 PUs
        Some Units in India change ownership: 2 infantry
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Scotland: 1 bomber
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Vologda: 1 bomber
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians : 1,00
British : -0,50
Americans : 2,83
Chinese : 1,17
Japanese : 1,33

Savegame

[trulpen]

@Omega1759 said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:

Looking at situation, Germany has low income. Pressure on Norway while making sure to get fighters into Moscow should do the trick here. For as long as Russia gets Scandinavian income + US direct threat in Norway, the redirection of Germans to Middle East should be manageable.

It was ze very plan, Fritz.

[trulpen]

Why didn’t I think of it? Love the bomber in Vologda! Pressure the ME and even helps China.

This is the final finalization-call. Feel free to proceed at your pleasure, @AndrewAAGamer.

[trulpen]

I’m glad we do this venture. I don’t know about you, but I find this game to be very exciting and enlightening.

[trulpen]

And with you I of course meant all of you.

[farmboy]

this is probably too late a comment, but I would suggest leaving one AA back in India. He needs to be fairly sure of success so it forces him to either risk air or commit more land.

[AndrewAAGamer]

Allied Turn – So considering the board position I am good with the US/China/UK move. Of course, due to having to send so many US forces against Europe, the US Pacific is weak against Japan and we shall see how much Japan can take advantage of that.

Interesting Notes:
I like the US Fleet in the Caroline’s versus Queensland. Queensland only threatens the Money Islands while the Caroline’s not only threatens the Money Islands but threatens Japan too which messes up Japanese reinforcements.

Stacking Kweichow is an interesting move. Since Japan does not need its forces to take India, since it was abandoned, Japan could smash that Chinese force. On average Japan would lose 6 planes. The benefit is China would be severely weakened and Japan would eventually take both China and India. The detriment is with the loss of 6 planes it will be harder for Japan to control the Pacific. Have to think more about that on the Japanese Turn.

Retreating or dying in India is always an interesting choice. By leaving it frees up the Japanese to do other things on the same Turn that India falls. Such as attack China, take Celebes, consolidate the Japanese fleet. Staying removes Japan capability from doing anything but hitting India. Though, with the forces in West India UK can now trade India forcing a game of attrition and hindering Japan’s ability to focus on one flank. Considering it was a 100% battle I think leaving was the right choice. Even at 98% staying would probably have been preferable.

In Europe since Russia went to the trouble of taking Karelia I like moving the planes to Karelia. They will be sorely missed on the Atlantic Wall and in the Med but considering what Russia paid for them it was a must move.

[AndrewAAGamer]

Italy 3: Is my capital safe? The US has a 4 infantry, 2 mech, artillery and armor attack with a cruiser bombard. Followed by a UK 2 infantry, artillery and armor attack also with a 2 cruiser bombard. Pretty tough. Hmmm, the US fleet is not all that strong and the UK fleet has no planes since they all flew off to Russia. Italy can build a fleet and hold the Med for another Turn or two. Or they can just go heavy ground and give up the Med and fight for the land.

One problem with Italy fighting for the Med with expensive ships is the US/UK can always out build Italy and take it back which means any money spent on ships is thrown away. Land troops are always useful!

[AndrewAAGamer]

TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 3

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0

Game History

Round: 3

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 1 destroyer, 4 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to 97 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 99 Sea Zone to Cyprus

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in Cyprus

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        1 cruiser moved from 97 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from Yugoslavia to Eastern Poland
        1 mech_infantry moved from Northern Italy to Romania
        1 armour moved from Yugoslavia to Bessarabia
        2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Western Germany
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Northern Italy
        1 aaGun moved from Yugoslavia to Northern Italy
        1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Tunisia to Libya

    Place Units - Italians
        3 infantry placed in Southern Italy
        1 destroyer placed in 97 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Northern Italy
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Italians from Romania: 1 mech_infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Italians to Slovakia Hungary: 1 mech_infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 6
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,3,2,5
        Italians collect 12 PUs (6 lost to blockades); end with 12 PUs
        Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 17 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

[trulpen]

Been a little bit busy, but will look at this now. Been plenty of time then to send in ideas, but I see none.

Well, it should be fairly straight-forward and simple since we’ve had a plan for ANZAC and France for some time already.

[trulpen]

The 2 UK-subs did an ok convoy disruption of 6 IPC.

[trulpen]

No, I meant awesome! Would say a mean value would be 3.

[trulpenplay]

TripleA Turn Summary: ANZAC round 3

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0

Game History

Round: 3

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        ANZAC buy 1 artillery, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC
        1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from New Guinea to 46 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 46 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java

    Combat - ANZAC
        Battle in Java

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
        1 destroyer moved from 62 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
        2 submarines moved from 62 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone

    Place Units - ANZAC
        1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry placed in New South Wales
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by ANZAC from South Australia: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by ANZAC to New South Wales: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        ANZAC collect 14 PUs; end with 14 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 19 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

[trulpenplay]

TripleA Turn Summary: French round 3

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0

Game History

Round: 3

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        ANZAC buy 1 artillery, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC
        1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from New Guinea to 46 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 46 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java

    Combat - ANZAC
        Battle in Java

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
        1 destroyer moved from 62 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
        2 submarines moved from 62 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone

    Place Units - ANZAC
        1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry placed in New South Wales
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by ANZAC from South Australia: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by ANZAC to New South Wales: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        ANZAC collect 14 PUs; end with 14 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 19 PUs

    Politics - French
        Trigger French Friendly With Mongolians activates a trigger called: Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians

    Combat Move - French

    Non Combat Move - French
        1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Karelia
        2 infantry moved from Morocco to Algeria
        1 infantry moved from French Equatorial Africa to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
        1 destroyer moved from 81 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - French

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

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[trulpen]

Not sure about the the french des. Either plan to stack fleet in z98 or z80. Either way the des may be easily sunk. Perhaps z81 is the best?

[WindowWasher]

@trulpen said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:

No, I meant awesome! Would say a mean value would be 3.

Wouldn’t it be 2?

Subs only “Hit” below a 3, so you’ve got a 50/50 shot to even hit. Statistically we can assume that one die hits and one misses usually, then the average between 1, 2, and 3 is 2. Could be wrong though

[trulpen]

@WindowWasher said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:

@trulpen said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:

No, I meant awesome! Would say a mean value would be 3.

Wouldn’t it be 2?

Subs only “Hit” below a 3, so you’ve got a 50/50 shot to even hit. Statistically we can assume that one die hits and one misses usually, then the average between 1, 2, and 3 is 2. Could be wrong though

Then it would be 4.

For some reason I calculated with 1,5 per sub.

The mean value for one sub should be 2.

[surfer]

Minor, but I don’t see any advantage to putting the french DD in harms way. What’s the problem with following the British Indian Fleet to SZ76?
The French DD will only be a supporter unit so it has to move to cover, never lead the movement into an area.

[trulpen]

The only problem is that I’m leaving z76 with the Brits. The des will be exposed to the italian sb. On the other hand, if Italy wants to sacrifice its bomber for a french des, I guess I’m fine with that.