Pherman1215 (Axis) vs JWW (Allies +20)

[Pherman1215]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 factory_minor, 3 fighters, 7 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            2 infantry moved from South Australia to New South Wales
            1 infantry moved from Western Australia to 56 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 56 Sea Zone to 62 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 62 Sea Zone to New South Wales
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 54 Sea Zone to New South Wales
            2 fighters moved from 61 Sea Zone to New South Wales
            2 bombers moved from Philippines to New South Wales
            2 tactical_bombers moved from 56 Sea Zone to New South Wales
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Northern Territory to Queensland
            1 artillery, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 35 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Philippines to 46 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Philippines to 46 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Philippines to 46 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Philippines to Kiangsi
            1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kiangsi
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsi to Hunan
            1 bomber moved from Japan to Kweichow
            2 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow
            2 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hunan
            1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kiangsi
            1 fighter moved from Japan to Kiangsi
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Philippines to Kiangsi
            1 artillery moved from Anhwe to Kiangsi
            1 bomber moved from Japan to Kiangsi
            1 bomber moved from Japan to Kweichow

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in 46 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 3 tactical_bombers
                Americans defend with 1 carrier; ANZAC defend with 1 fighter
                Japanese win with 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 18
                Casualties for Americans: 1 carrier
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 fighter
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
            Battle in Kweichow
                Japanese attack with 2 bombers and 2 infantry
                Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Kweichow from Chinese with 2 bombers and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
            Battle in New South Wales
                Japanese attack with 2 bombers, 3 fighters, 3 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers
                ANZAC defend with 2 aaGuns, 1 armour, 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter, 1 harbour and 1 mech_infantry
                Japanese captures 12PUs while taking ANZAC capital
                Japanese win, taking New South Wales from ANZAC with 2 bombers, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14
                Casualties for ANZAC: 2 aaGuns, 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 fighter and 2 infantry
            Battle in Hunan
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Hunan from Chinese with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Battle in Kiangsi
                Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 2 mech_infantrys
                Japanese win, taking Kiangsi from Chinese with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for British: 2 mech_infantrys
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry
            Battle in Queensland
                Japanese attack with 1 artillery and 5 infantry
                ANZAC defend with 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Queensland from ANZAC with 1 artillery and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            1 carrier moved from 61 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer and 1 transport moved from 61 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 56 Sea Zone to 62 Sea Zone
            2 tactical_bombers moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 54 Sea Zone to 62 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from New South Wales to South Australia
            1 fighter moved from New South Wales to South Australia
            1 fighter moved from 46 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from New South Wales to South Australia
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 46 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 35 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            2 tactical_bombers moved from 46 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from Kweichow to Anhwe
            1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsi to Anhwe
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Hunan to Anhwe
            8 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol
            1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Sumatra to 41 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 transport moved from 41 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from 41 Sea Zone to Philippines
            1 fighter moved from New South Wales to South Australia

Place Units - Japanese
            1 factory_minor placed in Shantung
            3 infantry placed in Manchuria
            3 fighters and 4 infantry placed in Japan
            1 submarine placed in 6 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 58 PUs; end with 70 PUs total
            Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 75 PUs
            Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 80 PUs
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Syria: 2 infantry
            EDIT: Changing ownership of Cyprus from British to Germans
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Cyprus: 2 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Iraq: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Syria: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Iraq: 1 tactical_bomber
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Syria: 1 tactical_bomber
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

[Pherman1215]

Pending your OK I posted a new turn with the edit I’d like to make.

[Pherman1215]

It has a German fighter and tactical landing in Syria and the 2 German inf landing in Cyprus instead of Syria.

[666]

@Pherman1215:

It has a German fighter and tactical landing in Syria and the 2 German inf landing in Cyprus instead of Syria.

this is funny

[Pherman1215]

@JWW:

@Pherman1215:

It has a German fighter and tactical landing in Syria and the 2 German inf landing in Cyprus instead of Syria.

this is funny

why is this funny?

[666]

@Pherman1215:

@JWW:

@Pherman1215:

It has a German fighter and tactical landing in Syria and the 2 German inf landing in Cyprus instead of Syria.

this is funny

why is this funny?

I’ve been doing this here before 2006, many, many games in the league, was an active MOD for many years as well and I can’t recall such a request in the league or in any tourneys. But, as my mother always said it does’t hurt to ask, right? So after just reading your recent pm to me…the only outstanding issue is whether you want to submerge the G subs and your OOL for the navy.

[Pherman1215]

Dude, you clearly need this win way more than I do. GG WP.  To be clear that I’m conceding in order so I can get as far away from you as I can and not because of any game state that exists.  Enjoy your ill-gotten gains I hope they make you happy.

[666]

@Pherman1215:

To be clear that I’m conceding in order so I can get as far away from you as I can and not because of any game state that exists.

hmmm, ok? How old are you, 12? Things didn’t work out perfectly with your reasonable request so you are taking your ball and going home? Oh boy….

@Pherman1215:

Enjoy your ill-gotten gains I hope they make you happy.

“ill gotten gains” What did I do? YOU didn’t pay close enough attention and therefore YOU misread the map, YOU didn’t properly protect your navy or for that matter your ITA ground forces in SYR. And then you are sore because I don’t let you change everything after the fact to your advantage once the USA attacked?

If you were unaware, in the league, versus the other gaming thread, we play for a ranking and possible playoff spot. If this were in the gaming thread, where I sometimes help new players get started, I would also have allowed the “oops & redo”. I honestly hope this hasn’t tainted your experience here, there are many great people here, including myself! Who enjoy “matching wits” etc in this crazy game we all seemingly love and hate at times. I hope you continue to play and have fun here, GL & Take care, JWW

[Pherman1215]

Don’t act like you’re somehow representative of the community on here.  Everyone else I’ve played has been super chill and want to play peoples best game and are liberal with edits that are not the result of combat.  I give the edits both ways too.  I had an Italian can open on Smolensk and Moscow plunder the guy didn’t see until way after Russia’s turn and I let him go back and edit Russian inf there.  And that wasn’t even a result of poor game visual representations, he just simple missed it.  I didn’t play edit Nazis on tripleaA and I see no reason to play them here either.  It’s not worth the time or the headache.  I just let them think they have won, put them on my don’t play again list and move on with my life.

[axis-dominion]

sorry for my intrusion here, but i have to say pherman made a perfectly reasonable request. looking at the history, i can see how the map can easily be misread, and i think it’s perfectly good sportsmanship to give your opponent the benefit of the doubt. we’re not playing for gold here. sure this league is competitive, but i really don’t think that should get to our heads and come in the way of our being gaming friends and a fun community of gamers.

jww i hope you don’t take this the wrong way, i really am not wanting to take sides or anything. i have played both of you and i respect both of you as really solid players. i know you both about the same, so i have no reason to pick a side at the expense of the other. it’s my hope that you guys can agree to let this one flow under the bridge and keep a strong spirit of competitive but fun-first gaming going.

[666]

@Pherman1215:

Don’t act like you’re somehow representative of the community on here.

:? did this somehow offend you, I honestly hope this hasn’t tainted your experience here, there are many great people here, including myself! Who enjoy “matching wits” etc in this crazy game we all seemingly love and hate at times. I hope you continue to play and have fun here, GL & Take care, JWW

@Pherman1215:

Everyone else I’ve played has been super chill

I guess I am guilty as charged, not “super chill”.  :lol:

@Pherman1215:

and want to play peoples best game

Agreed, and perhaps your BEST GAME will now include being more observant so you don’t find yourself in these situations again.

@Pherman1215:

just let them think they have won, put them on my don’t play again list and move on with my life.

Sounds like a wise philosophy my friend. Take care

[666]

Hello axis-dominion, I hope you are well

@axis-dominion:

sorry for my intrusion here, but i have to say pherman made a perfectly reasonable request.

No need to apologize and I appreciate your opinion. Not that I need to provide clarification on my decision but in the league or in tourneys I simply draw the line at requests such as this, that are made a few turns down the road and only after after your opponent realizes their “blunder”. We all make mistakes such as this, I certainly do and I live with them once they get to this point. This is my internal guidebook and as all of our rules allow, I hold my opponents to the same standard. If that means I am not Super Chill, well then I am guilty as charged.  8-)

@axis-dominion:

i really don’t think that should get to our heads and come in the way of our being gaming friends and a fun community of gamers.

I have been doing this here for WAY too long, played thousands of games against thousands of opponents and I have never found myself in this situation. You would be extremely hard pressed to find anyone that would say anything negative about my history here or doubt that I am not all about contributing to an active and fun gaming experience for all. I contribute both my time and money on this site. I welcome newbies and help them along and find their way. In my many years as an active MOD I have seen people throwing tantrums like this before, sorry, this qualifies as a tantrum. And typically the second or third tantrum is days, weeks, months away and then they leave. Time will tell if this is the last such issue for our gaming friend.

@axis-dominion:

i hope you don’t take this the wrong way, i really am not wanting to take sides or anything. i have played both of you and i respect both of you as really solid players. i know you both about the same, so i have no reason to pick a side at the expense of the other. it’s my hope that you guys can agree to let this one flow under the bridge and keep a strong spirit of competitive but fun-first gaming going.

No worries brother, I can respect your opinion here. Ya know, It’s really quite simple. We have a set of rules, all we need to do is follow them…mistakes are made when we play, abide by the rules that govern us, get over your mistakes, I do &  carry on. simple…DarthMaximus and myself drafted our first set of league rules back in 08-09. Following them has served us well. No need to change now.

[Pherman1215]

Yes you did in many ways. I particular by laughing at me when I asked for a perfectly reasonable edit.  But also I find your overly legalistic attitude nauseating.  I’ve also changed my mind about conceding.  The opportunity to whoop on you a bit before never playing you again sounds like too much fun.  OOL is max defense and lose subs if possible.

[boldfresh]

My unsolicited thoughts on what appears to be a pretty tight game…

Had pherman known that the planes were all in algeria he would not likely have left his fleet to die at their hands.  While his request to change did come multiple turns down the road, it wasn’t until he was attacked by planes he thought could not reach that he realized his misreading of the map.  Tough one - I’ve been there.  I’ve learned to carefully confirm what is where on the map using the “territory” tool - when you don’t, things get into the gray which is where y’all are.  Hope you can work it out.

[Pherman1215]

Just wanted to make sure you are aware that I did not post this game and that we’re continuing.

[Pherman1215]

OK, I feel bad for getting personal I apologize.  Let’s have some détente.  You caught me off guard a bit by not allowing the edit and then trying to leverage back to Anzac’s turn in exchange.  It felt rather shallow to me, but I get that you don’t know me so the edit might be an issue to you.  I’m used to playing with people who know me and would have no problem with an edit like that.  Just proceed with your turn and let’s both agree to not get mouthy about it again.

[666]

I trust you can agree to these terms going forward?

Editing

• We agree to allow any ncm or troop placement edits prior to the immediate next adversary players turn. i.e. Germany prior to Russia or America prior to Italy etc
• The same rules would apply to -walk-in- combat movements.
• All other edits are not allowed.

[Pherman1215]

I understand that those are your terms on me.  I will still have a more liberal view on edits.  But I understand your position and we are good to go.

[666]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 6 fighters and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            8 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Algeria to 99 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from Morocco to 99 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 81 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone

[666]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 6 fighters and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            8 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Algeria to 99 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from Morocco to 99 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 81 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone

Combat - Americans
            Battle in 99 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 2 bombers, 8 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 2 submarines, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport; Italians defend with 1 cruiser and 1 transport
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans
                1 submarine owned by the Germans Submerged
                Americans win with 2 bombers and 4 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 52
                Casualties for Germans: 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 submarine, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport
                Casualties for Italians: 1 cruiser and 1 transport
                Casualties for Americans: 4 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber

Non Combat Move - Americans
            2 bombers and 4 fighters moved from 99 Sea Zone to Cyprus
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Gibraltar to 92 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from 92 Sea Zone to Algeria
            1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Gibraltar to 92 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 92 Sea Zone to Algeria
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Brazil to 86 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 86 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            2 infantry moved from Brazil to French Guiana
            1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 91 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
            1 carrier and 1 destroyer moved from 91 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 91 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from New Zealand to 26 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 28 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            2 carriers, 1 destroyer and 3 fighters moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone

Place Units - Americans
            2 submarines placed in 10 Sea Zone
            3 fighters placed in Western United States
            3 fighters placed in Eastern United States

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 52 PUs total
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 57 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 62 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 72 PUs

Territory Summary for Americans :

Guam : 1 airfield
    Wake Island : 1 airfield
    Western United States : 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 factory_major, 3 fighters, 1 harbour and 2 mech_infantrys
    Hawaiian Islands : 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 harbour and 3 infantry
    Midway : 1 airfield
    26 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 battleship, 3 carriers, 2 cruisers, 4 destroyers, 6 fighters and 1 submarine
    10 Sea Zone : 2 submarines and 2 transports
    Central United States : 1 factory_major, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Eastern United States : 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 factory_major, 3 fighters and 1 harbour
    Gibraltar : 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 2 infantry
    Cyprus : 2 bombers and 4 fighters
    French Guiana : 2 infantry
    Algeria : 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    93 Sea Zone : 1 submarine
    92 Sea Zone : 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers and 2 transports
    101 Sea Zone : 1 transport
    Brazil : 1 flag
    91 Sea Zone : 1 transport

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 53 / 62
    Russians : 24 / 24
    Japanese : 58 / 80
    Americans : 52 / 72
    Chinese : 7 / 14
    British : 31 / 34
    UK_Pacific : 12 / 12
    Italians : 17 / 20
    ANZAC : 4 / 0
    French : 7 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0