14L - G40 BOLD (axis) vs. JWW (allies +15), No tech, 1 unit per territory

[boldfresh]

given that i am actually going to make an effort to put together the best league record i can this year, and given that other opponents that i have started out this poorly against decline a similar offer and make me keep my insanely bad early dice (see my G1 and G2 against allweneedislove in our game 1)

Bold vs AWN
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=32375.225

you will understand why i cannot similarly give up the good luck that i get once in a blue moon.  remember i did have a pretty bad G1 to start this one.  hence, i have decided that my default will always be to go with the dice as rolled.  other things like forgetting to make an obvious move, etc i am more lenient with, but the dice have got to be the dice.

i would tend to agree that those dice probably cripple your game here.  however, you may be interested to look at a game i currently am playing against Trajan where i LOST france on G1 badly (he had 4 units left and wiped everything i took in out except for the tac) and i BARELY took france on Italy 1.  However, i would say that I have recovered and should win the game.

Bold vs. Trajan
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=32409.0

Let me know what you wanna do.  i’m fine with whatever you decide but i have to sincerely but hopefully understandably decline your request to reroll the turn - my dice have been WICKED bad lately, and if they later went really badly in this game as well i would greatly regret it.

cheers

[boldfresh]

i was playing around with the idea of a LL reroll to be used in one battle per game.

if both sides used it, then another would be given to both sides.  however, i have
been burned in all the games i suggested this, most notably the XDAP final against
AWN and Hank - so i have determined not to use it going forward.  i’m now in
agreement with gamerman (the purist) that the dice are the dice.

[boldfresh]

now, had your attacks been much more conservative, like 95-100%  attacks, i may have thought about it a little more.  i think that’s when a win is truly undeserved, when a super conservative battle is lost.  your battles here were fairly aggressive right?  i mean, your two big attacks were 68 and 70 percent i believe. that’s very aggressive, danger zone type stuff.  so you really need to suffer when those battles go badly because if they had both gone well, it would have really hurt me - does this make sense?  z96 really sucked because it was 94% for you but again, how often have we veterans seen 90-95% battles go bad - all the time right?

now, like me against AWN, you have a truly extreme result here because even though the results in each of those three mediterranean battles could have easily gone badly, the likelihood of them ALL going badly is pretty miniscule - probably easily a less than 0.5% chance of them going so poorly in a combined fashion.  but again, AWN refused to accept such a request in a very similar circumstance in my G1, and i think it is valid.  now, had i done fewer and much more conservative attacks against him and failed, i would think at that point he would consider a reroll (for example, if i sent EVERYTHING to france and lost when i was expected to come out with like 20+ units, i mean, i don’t know what he’d say then.  probably still that the dice need to be the dice really because you never know if your opponent later will give you the same - it’s like in poker when you bad beat a guy and he says, cmon man, can i have some of that back?  you really want to give it to him, but then you remember all the bad beats you have taken and that those guys didn’t send any back your way.

ya know?

i’m happy to continue with your rerolled turn if you want to concede the league win and play it out for fun?

[666]

@Boldfresh:

i’m happy to continue with your rerolled turn if you want to concede the league win and play it out for fun?

yes I would like to do this. I understand your position, mine would have probably been the same. I will record your “W” and I would very much like to continue for fun. I have been playing “lesser” opponents, “I THINK” and would like to see how you fare if the outcome of UK1 was more realistic. So please proceed.

[boldfresh]

@JWW:

@Boldfresh:

i’m happy to continue with your rerolled turn if you want to concede the league win and play it out for fun?

yes I would like to do this. I understand your position, mine would have probably been the same. I will record your “W” and I would very much like to continue for fun. I have been playing “lesser” opponents, “I THINK” and would like to see how you fare if the outcome of UK1 was more realistic. So please proceed.

great, should be a good challenge for me, italy is in a tough spot here now.  probably monday.

cheers

[boldfresh]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 1

Politics - Italians
            Italians takes Political Action: Political Action Italians To War With Chinese
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Italians To War With Chinese: Changing Relationship for Italians and Chinese from Neutrality to War

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 fighter; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Libya to Tunisia
            1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 95 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to 93 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
                  Italians take Anglo Egyptian Sudan from British
            1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to Kenya
                  Italians take Kenya from British
            1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to British Somaliland
                  Italians take British Somaliland from British

Combat - Italians
            Battle in 93 Sea Zone
                Italians attack with 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
                French defend with 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
                Italians win, taking 93 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 bomber, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14
                Casualties for French: 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
                Casualties for Italians: 1 submarine
            Battle in Tunisia
                Italians attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                French defend with 1 infantry
                Italians win, taking Tunisia from French with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for French: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Italians
            1 artillery moved from Ethiopia to Italian Somaliland
            1 armour moved from Northern Italy to Romania
            1 armour moved from Albania to Romania
            2 infantry moved from Albania to Yugoslavia
            1 bomber moved from 93 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
            2 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 95 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 93 Sea Zone to Southern France
            2 aaGuns, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
            1 aaGun and 4 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy

Place Units - Italians
            1 fighter placed in Southern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,3
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 72 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4
            Italians collect 10 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 10 PUs total
            Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 15 PUs

[666]

are you bringing your A game? I trust you won’t mail this in?

[boldfresh]

@JWW:

are you bringing your A game? I trust you won’t mail this in?

I am bringing it.

[boldfresh]

@JWW:

are you bringing your A game? I trust you won’t mail this in?

You interested in making this game 2?

[666]

@Boldfresh:

@JWW:

are you bringing your A game? I trust you won’t mail this in?

You interested in making this game 2?

I am doubting my abilities……So I will pass. Just give me your A game here brother, ok?

[666]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 artillery and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC

Combat - ANZAC

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 infantry moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 63 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from New Zealand to 63 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 63 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 46 Sea Zone to New Guinea
            1 cruiser moved from 63 Sea Zone to 62 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from New Zealand to Queensland
            1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            2 aaGuns and 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland
            1 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State

Place Units - ANZAC
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in New South Wales

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs total

Territory Summary for ANZAC :

Shan State : 1 infantry
    Queensland : 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 3 fighters, 1 harbour and 3 infantry
    New Zealand : 1 airfield and 1 harbour
    New South Wales : 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
    New Guinea : 2 infantry
    46 Sea Zone : 1 transport
    54 Sea Zone : 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
    Egypt : 2 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 42 / 69
    Russians : 37 / 37
    Japanese : 29 / 45
    Americans : 52 / 57
    Chinese : 9 / 15
    British : 28 / 35
    UK_Pacific : 21 / 21
    Italians : 13 / 15
    ANZAC : 10 / 10
    French : 11 / 0
    Dutch : 7 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 2 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 4 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[666]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 1

Combat Move - French
            1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Holland Belgium
                  French take Holland Belgium from Germans
            1 infantry moved from Algeria to Tunisia

[666]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 1

Combat Move - French
            1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Holland Belgium
                  French take Holland Belgium from Germans
            1 infantry moved from Algeria to Tunisia

Combat - French
            Battle in Tunisia
                French attack with 1 infantry
                Italians defend with 1 artillery
                    French roll dice for 1 infantry in Tunisia, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 artillery in Tunisia, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the French and 1 artillery owned by the Italians lost in Tunisia
                Italians win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
                Casualties for French: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery

Non Combat Move - French
            1 infantry moved from French West Africa to French Central Africa
            1 infantry moved from Syria to Trans-Jordan
            1 destroyer moved from 72 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - French

Territory Summary for French :

Trans-Jordan : 1 infantry
    United Kingdom : 1 fighter and 2 infantry
    Morocco : 1 infantry
    Normandy Bordeaux : 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
    French Central Africa : 1 infantry
    Holland Belgium : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    81 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 39 / 69
    Russians : 37 / 37
    Japanese : 29 / 45
    Americans : 52 / 57
    Chinese : 9 / 15
    British : 28 / 35
    UK_Pacific : 21 / 21
    Italians : 13 / 15
    ANZAC : 10 / 10
    French : 14 / 0
    Dutch : 7 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 2 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 4 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

Dice Statistics:

Total
            1 was rolled 1 times
            2 was rolled 1 times
        Average roll : 1.500
        Median : 1.500
        Variance : 2.000
        Standard Deviation : 1.414
        Total rolls : 2

French Combat
            1 was rolled 1 times
        Average roll : 1.000
        Median : 1.000
        Variance : ?
        Standard Deviation : ?
        Total rolls : 1

Italians Combat
            2 was rolled 1 times
        Average roll : 2.000
        Median : 2.000
        Variance : ?
        Standard Deviation : ?
        Total rolls : 1

[boldfresh]

@JWW:

@Boldfresh:

@JWW:

are you bringing your A game? I trust you won’t mail this in?

You interested in making this game 2?

I am doubting my abilities�…So I will pass. Just give me your A game here brother, ok?

for sure, no problem.

[666]

I will be away until Sunday…

[boldfresh]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 2

Politics - Germans
            Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Germans To War With Chinese
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Germans To War With Chinese: Changing Relationship for Germans and Chinese from Neutrality to War
            Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Germans and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Italians and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and British from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and UK_Pacific from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and ANZAC from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Dutch from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Chinese from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and French from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Neutral_Allies from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Germans and Mongolians from Strict_Neutral to War
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Italians and Mongolians from Strict_Neutral to War
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Mongolians from Strict_Neutral to War
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Mongolians and British from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Mongolians and UK_Pacific from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Mongolians and ANZAC from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Mongolians and Dutch from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Mongolians and Chinese from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Mongolians and French from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Mongolians and Neutral_Allies from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 3 bombers, 1 carrier, 1 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            7 infantry moved from Finland to Sweden
            2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Southern France to Spain
            4 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from France to Spain
            5 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Greece
            3 armour moved from Yugoslavia to Greece
            2 bombers moved from Western Germany to Spain
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Spain
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Spain
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Spain
            1 cruiser moved from 112 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Western Germany to Spain
            2 infantry moved from Norway to Sweden
            3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Western Germany to 112 Sea Zone
            3 artilleries, 3 infantry and 3 transports moved from 112 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to Sweden
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 112 Sea Zone to Sweden
            2 artilleries moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 artillery moved from France to Holland Belgium
            1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium

Combat - Germans
            Battle in Sweden
                Germans attack with 3 artilleries, 1 fighter, 12 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Neutral_True defend with 6 infantry
                Germans win, taking Sweden from Neutral_True with 3 artilleries, 1 fighter, 10 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Neutral_True: 6 infantry
            Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
                Germans attack with 2 artilleries
                French defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
                Germans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from French with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery
                Casualties for French: 1 artillery
            Battle in Holland Belgium
                Germans attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                French defend with 1 infantry
                French win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
                Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Casualties for French: 1 infantry
            Battle in Greece
                Germans attack with 3 armour and 5 infantry
                Neutral_Allies defend with 4 infantry
                Germans win, taking Greece from Neutral_Allies with 3 armour and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 4 infantry
                Casualties for Germans: 3 infantry
            Battle in Spain
                Germans attack with 6 armour, 2 bombers, 3 fighters, 3 mech_infantrys and 3 tactical_bombers
                Neutral_True defend with 6 infantry
                Germans win, taking Spain from Neutral_True with 6 armour, 2 bombers, 3 fighters, 3 mech_infantrys and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 18
                Casualties for Neutral_True: 6 infantry

Non Combat Move - Germans
            3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Spain to Northern Italy
            2 artilleries moved from Yugoslavia to Northern Italy
            3 aaGuns moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Sweden to Western Germany
            1 carrier moved from 112 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            6 infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Western Germany
            3 aaGuns moved from Greater Southern Germany to Northern Italy
            1 infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Slovakia Hungary
            2 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Slovakia Hungary
            2 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Northern Italy
            2 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Slovakia Hungary
            2 bombers moved from Spain to Western Germany

Place Units - Germans
            3 bombers placed in Western Germany
            1 infantry placed in Germany
            Germans undo move 2.
            1 infantry placed in Germany
            1 carrier and 2 transports placed in 93 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Germans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 4
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,1
            Germans collect 44 PUs (4 lost to blockades); end with 44 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 49 PUs
            Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 54 PUs

[666]

I am looking for a lesson here Bold. With your attack on the true neutrals sweden and spain aren’t all other true neutrals supposed to be pro allies now? Where as the allies can walk into turkey etc?

[boldfresh]

Correct all other true neutrals are pro allied.

[boldfresh]

@Boldfresh:

Correct all other true neutrals are pro allied.

The map doesnt change them to the pro allied designation but they are.  Mongolia might be one exception not quite sure.

[666]

@Boldfresh:

@Boldfresh:

Correct all other true neutrals are pro allied.

The map doesnt change them to the pro allied designation but they are.Â

OK….that’s what I was looking for…so I can simply nc into those areas as if they said pro-allies?