Now we got kids toys shooting up everything.
Just Great.
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Pacific Rim
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War of the Gargantuas better
Pfftp, obviously.
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Look we’re mostly coming at this from the same place.
I’m ignoring or otherwise going along with the fact that the two pilots are supposed to be connected yet need to talk to each other. Really, so what? Don’t care.
I do care that the giant mech suddenly has an integrated sword when earlier it seemed a better idea to use a ship as a baseball bat.
If I’m bent out of shape about the mentally connected pilots talking that’s on me. That’s me not participating and going along for the ride.
The sword thing is on them. I’m not asking how it works. I’m not objecting to them having it. I’m objecting to them pulling it out of their ass when they’ve gotten themselves in a corner. That’s the film-makers not honoring the leeway I’m giving them or even abusing that leeway and willingness to go along for the ride and cheating.
As far as I can tell we have a lot of stupid people who rail at stuff like the “techno-babble” of Star Trek now being the audience for movies. They don’t understand the “techno-babble” and fail to just identify it as the obstacle to be overcome and not all that important in specific and but through their lack of understanding or participation they think the creators cheated. They get mistaken impressions about why something was good. This opens the door for the cheating and sloppy lazy writing we’ve got in things like “Prometheus” and “Pacific Rim” and trying to pass off the expectation of good story-telling as some sort of failure to play along on the part of some of the audience.
There has become a real disconnect between maguffin and salient plot points. A confusion about what is set-up and needs to be gone along with or why did you come to see it and maintaining logic and consistency and the elements of good and long established narrative tradition in the world you’re trying to create.
We all have different tolerance levels for “just go with it” and engagement in the entertainment we watch. Lately film-makers seem to my mind to be willfully ignorant of this fact or worse- outright disdainful and cynical about it.
It is the corporate culture. They don’t care if it’s good or if we like it. They just care that lots of people see it and that it’s profitable. Junk food cinema for a junk food culture.
I certainly had some continuity/plot hole issues as well. The main one being: Newt mentions the kaiju are clones. Then we have one that is pregnant. I was sure there was an issue with cloning and sexual reproduction: it couldn’t happen or shouldn’t happen. At the very least, why gestate a fetus to term when you can just clone a bunch anyway? And I know at one point it’s mentioned that the plasma guns they use have a finite capacity. They also require time to charge, so getting in close and with a sure shot would be the wisest thing to do.
The sword thing I’m not sure about, and you have a point. I don’t think it detracts from the entire movie, but could raise questions. However, I think this is a symptom of editing in which this may have been explained better with more time. Pretty sure part of this was for the suspense, or to create tension in the movie. Another factor could be explained better within the movie’s mythos. They mentioned that nukes were not advisable, as well as minimizing the spread of Kaiju blood (it was volatile, if I remember correctly) - the whole reason why robots are punching them (although that could raise more questions). So once they reached nearspace, I’m sure a sword was a viable option - although yes, it was a bit gimmicky. I think for the most part, the majority can be explained, or perhaps even explained better with an extended cut.
Could the movie be better? Sure. But I think it went out and did exactly what it was trying to do: create a movie that would entertain your innerchild. It’s not highbrow, nor was it ever meant to be. And even great movies suffer from major plotholes - but sometimes you have to overlook it (if they flew the Eagles from the start in Lord of the Rings, then we’d have no movie - or book - right?).
@Imperious:
Seriously? Godzilla was better? I like Godzilla and all, but the level of production is light and dark here.
Godzilla was way better
Cloverfield was better
Rodan better
War of the Gargantuas better
Even Godzilla vs the Smog Monster betterThey are all classic and had some acting and a plot. Godzilla music kicks ass. Some of the best music for any movie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiY5j5QvcdQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xPKolXdyiM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nrb1RkenWkI literally listened to Pacific Rim music and the clips you provided side by side. There is not a discernible difference, although the recording quality was obviously better in PR. The music appropriately escalated during monster attacks - brass and percussion in particular - and became more ambient on other scenes. I think the biggest difference though is that PR focuses a lot more on the detail to sound in regards to the movie. Godzilla banked on the soundtrack to take up the slack with a lack of Foley production (some there, nowhere near as much as PR or contemporary movies).
But you know, keep being obtuse and we’ll stick with the status quo.
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And even great movies suffer from major plotholes - but sometimes you have to overlook it (if they flew the Eagles from the start in Lord of the Rings, then we’d have no movie - or book - right?).
Granted this is an explainable failing, however the example makes your point.
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Why mankind had to invent robots with swords, instead of an “armor piercing” plasma missile. is beyond me.
Or 8739478939759389398569385 tons of water curing concrete ontop of “the breach”.
Or eagles to Mordor…
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Why mankind had to invent robots with swords, instead of an “armor piercing” plasma missile. is beyond me.
Well, there would be no robot fight. :roll:
Humans are so dramatic.
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And even great movies suffer from major plotholes - but sometimes you have to overlook it (if they flew the Eagles from the start in Lord of the Rings, then we’d have no movie - or book - right?).
Granted this is an explainable failing, however the example makes your point.
I can’t link it right now…but oglaf.com (NSFW) has a cartoon that has a hilarious point on that.
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Walk O’clock sounds good after all lol…
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And even great movies suffer from major plotholes - but sometimes you have to overlook it (if they flew the Eagles from the start in Lord of the Rings, then we’d have no movie - or book - right?).
Granted this is an explainable failing, however the example makes your point.
I can’t link it right now…but oglaf.com (NSFW) has a cartoon that has a hilarious point on that.
:lol:
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There were things I liked about the film… however…
Acting? Pacific toilet bowl rim.
And no jugs. :S
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@Imperious:
Godzilla was way better
Cloverfield was better
Rodan better
War of the Gargantuas better
Even Godzilla vs the Smog Monster betterThey are all classic and had some acting and a plot. Godzilla music kicks ass. Some of the best music for any movie
Godzilla movies had plots!?! I’ve watched every Godzilla movie made between 1954 to 1995 and I wouldn’t say plot was their strong points. I mean like 4 or 5 of the movies plots are the same and boil down to “aliens are using another monster to try to take over the world” (Godzilla v. Monster Zero, Godzilla v. Mecha-Godzilla, Terror of Mecha-Godzilla, Godzilla v. King Ghidorah). The movies had good subtext (like Godzilla v Hedorah environmentalism, and the constant running theme of antinuclear proliferation) but I wouldn’t say plot was what made those movies.
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They had plots and good acting ( for the most part) plus awesome music.
They are all classics.
Pacific Rim will not be a classic, soon to be forgotten. IN 20 years time Godzilla movies will still be played and Pacific Rim not.
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@Imperious:
They had plots and good acting ( for the most part) plus awesome music.
They are all classics.
The Godzilla movies had plots, but not good ones, and the acting was sub-par at best (unless you watched the original Japanese releases, but in the American edited and dubbing releases the acting comes across as dry at best). I feel like watching a Godzilla movie and focusing on the acting and plot is like watching a porno for the story and sound track, it’s there but not really what the movies is about (and is not the strength of the movies at all). When I was a kid I watched the movies for 3 main reasons; 1. To watch guys in giant monster suits beat the crap out of each other 2. To watch amazing sets of perfectly crafted miniature towns and city’s get destroyed by the guys in the aforementioned giant suits and 3. To watch the goofy attempt at translating and accurately dubbing the lines from Japanese into English. It’s all part of what made the experience of watching the movies great, but they aren’t great movies. They’re goofy campy popcorn fun movies, but there not to be taken serious or held to some high level, which if did try to do that would detract from the movies over all.
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My son said he wants to see it, so I’ll give it another go. I felt after watching it the first time, there was a lot that I liked, but I felt the movie hurt due to pacing the most. There was a lot being crammed in to a fairly long movie - and it could have done more with more time. That’s not going to hold attention very well, though.
Overall, worth a viewing - not exactly what I wanted it to be. 6.5/10 on a bad day, 7 or 7.5/10 on a good day.
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