13L G40 wheatbeer (Axis) vs Gamerman01 (Allies +10)

[Omega1759]

@JapanDOWRound1Fan:

Hi guys,

sorry for this surprise post, I just wanted to let you know that there is somebody out there who watches your game. I just took it randomly to get some inspiration. I got plenty of it, quite unusual game I would say but very interesting.

Good luck to both of you (however I’d say that Allies need a bit more of it to win^^)

Cheers

Wheatbeer is an artist!

This guy really likes the Middle East and plays Japan very well.

[wheatbeer]

My gut says this one will take many rounds to play out (barring a major mistake). I am just waiting for that tech roll hammer to fall and the US gets improved shipyards or an air tech.

[JDOW]

The tech stuff is indeed very interesting. Statistically Gamerman meanwhile runs under EV with his tech rolls. I have to say that I never made any tech roll in my life, however I meanwhile learn that more games than I thought take 10, 12 or even more rounds –> The longer a game lasts the more valuable tech rolls can be.

[wheatbeer]

Hey Gamerman,

I forgot to move my Germans in Africa during the CM phase (all non-dice, walking into empty territories). Is it okay to EDIT those moves now (it seems analogous to sinking the Japanese tt on UK6)?

Sorry for the delay on this turn by the way, I was having a great deal of trouble deciding how to handle Western Europe.

[gamerman01]

Just a sec - I’ll need to take a quick look

[wheatbeer]

Here’s the map following CM.

I originally intended to walk into undefended SW Africa, Rhodesia, and Tanganyika. I just forgot because it took me so long to decide on my Buy/European stance.

No other combats took place in Africa, or created a need for landing zones.

[gamerman01]

I think you may be confused.
What did you want to move?

You had 4 infantry in Sudan
You moved 1 INF Sud->Eth
1 INF Sud->Congo
1 INF Sud->South Afr
1 INF Sud->Tang
and left 1 in Egypt for the NO

It appears to me you moved everything on G7.

[gamerman01]

Oh!  G8, not G7

[wheatbeer]

Sorry for the confusion, I just didn’t finalize the current turn since your answer could affect my placement.

[gamerman01]

Right - I see it - go ahead with the 3 intended Africa combat moves - thanks for checking

[wheatbeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 8

Politics - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 1 airfield, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 6 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 mech_infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Eastern Poland
                  Germans take Eastern Poland from Russians
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Yugoslavia to Bessarabia
            2 bombers moved from Egypt to Bessarabia
            2 infantry moved from France to Holland Belgium
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to Holland Belgium
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 fighter moved from 112 Sea Zone to 126 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 112 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 112 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western Germany to 112 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Norway
            1 fighter moved from 112 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 112 Sea Zone to Norway
            1 destroyer moved from 97 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone

Combat - Germans
            Battle in Norway
                Germans attack with 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in Norway, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Norway, round 2 :  1/3 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 infantry in Norway, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the British lost in Norway
                Germans win, taking Norway from British with 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Battle in 93 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 destroyer
                Americans defend with 1 submarine
                    Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 93 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 93 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in 93 Sea Zone
                Germans win, taking 93 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine
            Battle in 125 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 destroyer
                    Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 125 Sea Zone, round 2 :  2/3 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 125 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the Germans and 1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 125 Sea Zone
                Germans win with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 1 destroyer
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 126 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 fighter
                British defend with 1 transport
                    1 transport owned by the British lost in 126 Sea Zone
                Germans win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for British: 1 transport
            Battle in Holland Belgium
                Germans attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Holland Belgium, round 2 :  1/4 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the British lost in Holland Belgium
                Germans win, taking Holland Belgium from British with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
                Germans attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 :  1/4 hits
                    British roll dice for 2 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 :  1/2 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Normandy Bordeaux
                    Germans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in Normandy Bordeaux, round 3 :  0/3 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 3 :  1/1 hits
                    1 artillery owned by the Germans lost in Normandy Bordeaux
                retreated to Normandy Bordeaux
                British win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
                Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Battle in Bessarabia
                Germans attack with 2 bombers and 2 mech_infantrys
                Russians defend with 2 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 2 bombers and 2 mech_infantrys in Bessarabia, round 2 :  2/4 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Bessarabia, round 2 :  1/2 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in Bessarabia
                Germans win, taking Bessarabia from Russians with 2 bombers and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry

Non Combat Move - Germans
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Changing ownership of Tanganyika Territory from British to Germans
            EDIT: Changing ownership of Rhodesia from British to Germans
            EDIT: Changing ownership of South West Africa from British to Germans
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 fighter moved from 125 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 126 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Denmark
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Western Germany
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Holland Belgium to Denmark
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 125 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Norway to 112 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Western Germany to Denmark
            1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to Denmark
            3 aaGuns, 9 armour, 6 artilleries, 24 infantry and 9 mech_infantrys moved from Novgorod to Baltic States
            3 artilleries and 7 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
            1 destroyer moved from 97 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from France to Western Germany
            5 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
            2 bombers moved from Bessarabia to Yugoslavia
            2 bombers moved from Yugoslavia to Northern Italy
            EDIT: 1 infantry moved from Kenya to Tanganyika Territory
            EDIT: 1 infantry moved from Belgian Congo to Rhodesia
            EDIT: 1 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to South West Africa
            1 fighter moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Greece

Place Units - Germans
            1 airfield placed in Denmark
            1 destroyer placed in 112 Sea Zone
            2 fighters placed in Western Germany
            6 mech_infantrys placed in Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 57 PUs; end with 57 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 4 Presence In Egypt: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 62 PUs
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs
            Objective Germans 6 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 69 PUs
            Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 74 PUs

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 57 / 74
    Russians : 29 / 31
    Japanese : 54 / 65
    Americans : 52 / 72
    Chinese : 10 / 19
    British : 19 / 28
    UK_Pacific : 5 / 5
    Italians : 17 / 29
    ANZAC : 14 / 19
    French : 8 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[wheatbeer]

Thanks and sorry for the bother.

The downgraded IC in WGR is killing me! (I assume if I were to upgrade it on G9, I couldn’t mobilize 10 units there until G10’s placement, right?)

[gamerman01]

@wheatbeer:

Thanks and sorry for the bother.

The downgraded IC in WGR is killing me! (I assume if I were to upgrade it on G9, I couldn’t mobilize 10 units there until G10’s placement, right?)

Right, you have to wait a turn like if you were building a new complex

[boldfresh]

@wheatbeer:

Thanks and sorry for the bother.

The downgraded IC in WGR is killing me! (I assume if I were to upgrade it on G9, I couldn’t mobilize 10 units there until G10’s placement, right?)

yeah that downgrade really hurts when the allies are coming hard.

[gamerman01]

The big thing, I think, is that it’s the only factory that builds into 112, and since he’s been building his fleet, a total of 3 units per turn on ground, air, and sea units is restrictive…

Which is what I was hoping for… I paid the price in taking it.  Had to get lucky with a Russian sub sinking a destroyer blocker, too.

[gamerman01]

Was gonna move last night, but my internet was down!

Tonight then, probably

[gamerman01]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 8

Research Technology - Russians
            Russians spend 5 on tech rolls
            Russians removing all Technology Tokens after unsuccessful research.

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 1 armour, 1 artillery, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 0 techTokens;

Combat Move - Russians
            11 artilleries, 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 39 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Belarus to Baltic States
            1 infantry moved from Archangel to Novgorod
                  Russians take Novgorod from Germans
            4 armour and 15 mech_infantrys moved from Bryansk to Baltic States
            1 bomber moved from Novosibirsk to Baltic States
            3 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia
            1 infantry moved from Buryatia to Amur
                  Russians take Amur from Japanese

Combat - Russians
            Battle in Baltic States
                Russians attack with 4 armour, 11 artilleries, 2 bombers, 2 fighters, 39 infantry, 15 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 3 aaGuns, 9 armour, 9 artilleries, 31 infantry and 9 mech_infantrys; Italians defend with 2 armour and 1 artillery
                Russians win, taking Baltic States from Italians with 4 armour, 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 2 fighters, 9 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 69
                Casualties for Germans: 3 aaGuns, 9 armour, 9 artilleries, 31 infantry and 9 mech_infantrys
                Casualties for Russians: 10 artilleries, 39 infantry and 6 mech_infantrys
                Casualties for Italians: 2 armour and 1 artillery
            Battle in Bessarabia
                Russians attack with 3 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 mech_infantry
                Russians win, taking Bessarabia from Germans with 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry

Non Combat Move - Russians
            3 aaGuns moved from Belarus to Baltic States
            4 infantry moved from Bryansk to Belarus
            6 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
            1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Rostov
            1 bomber moved from Baltic States to Timguska
            1 infantry moved from Buryatia to Sakha
            1 aaGun moved from Buryatia to Sakha
            1 aaGun moved from Buryatia to Sakha
            1 infantry moved from Buryatia to Sakha
            1 bomber moved from Baltic States to Belarus
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Baltic States to Belarus
            1 submarine moved from 115 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Rostov to Bryansk

Place Units - Russians
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry placed in Volgograd
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Ukraine
            2 infantry placed in Russia
            Russians undo move 2.
            1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Ukraine
            1 infantry placed in Volgograd

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 33 PUs; end with 33 PUs total
            Trigger Russians 1 Lend Lease: Russians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 38 PUs

[JDOW]

Hey, sorry to bother again.
I hope I may ask (I guess it it in hindsight and should not influence further action, if so, please accept my apologies) if the Baltic States attack was allowed by G8 on purpose or if just something slipped through.
I guess in G8 it was possible to send 2 fighters from Western Germany to Baltic states after e.g. attacking Holland. With 2 fighters more the odds would have completely changed.

I always feel a bit strange in asking these questions but I am following some selected games and I hope I could utilize them to learn.

Cheers!

[gamerman01]

Bump #1

[gamerman01]

JDOWFan, I welcome spectators and questions about the game - don’t worry, and ask all you want

Let me take a look, and then I will address your question/comment.  It’s been over 3 days so I forget, since I play other games in between.