@Spitfire Id be interested in helping you create such a setup, however wouldn’t such a scenario be more easily implemented using the HBG 1914 Map or a custom map?
Setup on ILs eastern front map
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IL is this map still around and is it for sale?
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@Imperious:
Soviet troops was much more scattered on the eastern front in summer 1941.
The setup is based on historical, they were mostly on the front lines according to old Soviet maps of the period
The Soviets had a defense line set up well inside the Soviet Union. After the Polish and Baltic states were occupied, then Stalin himself ordered the Russian forces out of their prepared positions and moved to the new frontiers. This is part of the reason that so many of the Soviet armies were enveloped and forced to surrender in the early part of Barbarossa.
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@SS:
IL is this map still around and is it for sale?
SS, look for a free download at–-------------- www.histoicalboardgaming.com
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Found it. Thanks fishmoto. IL awesome work as always! Thank you again.
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http://www.armchairgeneral.com/rkkaww2/maps/other/Location_June_22_41.jpg
Here’s an excellent map about the exact location in june 22 1941.
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Approx. how big is this map? As always, nice job IL. Thanks, AAGator
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Fishmoto said at top of thread 4’ x 5’ Feet but can print smaller.
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Thanks!!
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IL, you mention drawing a card in part seven of the turn phases. What is that? Under new units and changes on page 2 the Soviet tanks defend at 2, Germans defend at 3. That cannot be for every turn? When Barbarossa was launched the main German battle tank was the Mark III. As the first t-34s began to become operational they were much better on attack as well as defense. Each oil center printed on the map developes one oil token per turn and placed in the oil center territory. How did you intend to represent the movement of the oil to the territories? And how many do you have for the starting setup?
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Ya I asked awhile ago can’t remember what IL said about draw card on 7th faze during turn.
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It’s on the chart in the rules. That is to say the chart replaces the cards. Its like a historical event chart where each turn some element of combat or movement is modified
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@Imperious:
It’s on the chart in the rules. That is to say the chart replaces the cards. Its like a historical event chart where each turn some element of combat or movement is modified
OK, I think I got it now. You draw or roll for three random NAs that apply to your side for the game? What about the oil placement?
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Oil Resources:
Each oil center printed on the map gives a player one free oil resource per turn. If you capture enemy oil centers, you then receive the oil token. Newly created oil tokens are always placed in the territories containing the oil centers, which the territory having the capacity to yield one free token for each of them. If you decide to develop more tokens for combat on the following turn, you can build up to the printed value of the territory. In this case, each land combat has a cost as follows:1941 1942 1943 1944 1945
Germany 1 1 2 3 3
(Nov-Feb turn) 3 3 2 2 2
Soviet Union 1 1 1 1 1
(Nov-Feb turn) 2 2 1 1 1Air attacks do not require fuel tokens individually, but anytime you use your planes for any mission, you must allocate one oil token per turn.
Oil tokens can be moved to any front line territory and used for the following turn. If the territory they are in is captured, any tokens are captured by the new player. If you don’t have a token in a territory, then you can’t attack from this territory. If during land combat you retreat, the Oil tokens must be left behind and be captured. Also, if during combat if you have units surrounded and no oil tokens, you must use a bomber to drop these supplies. Each bomber can drop one token per turn. Note: for clarification some oil centers produce two tokens per turn.So each attack ( of any duration on land) costs one oil token and based on the time of year or year or side the costs vary.
Oil tokens required for combat and they must be moved to the area where combat occurs. In some cases you can build directly up to two tokens if the space has an oil center. That is also the only place where you get oil.
So this means that certain units must be allocated to bring these supplies to the front lines that carry oil tokens.
Also, if you use one or one million planes … this will cost you 1 oil token. Bombers can carry oil tokens as well
The German player starts with 15 oil tokens stockpiled, the Soviets start with 8… sorry but thats not in the rules… :roll:
Also note the idea for oil is to represent logistics. Oil is just the iconic resource which as the German player you see the obvious need to get those Russian oil centers.
Now these NA’s are picked by the player and last the whole 12 turns.
National Advantages:
Each player randomly chooses three special advantages which represent specific historical advantages as follows:Germany:
• Manstein: Your tanks or infantry defend at 3 in any one area per turn.
• Volkstrum: you may build up to 5 infantry for 2 IPC each turn starting on turn 6.
• Panzergruppe Guderian: Your tanks can move 3 spaces in spring turns.
• Tank Destroyers: Your Heavy Tanks can decide which unit they hit on a roll of one.
• Paratroopers: Each Bomber can drop one infantry within 2 spaces of friendly forces.
• Railway Artillery: Negate fortress city defense when your artillery hits only
• East Wall: You can designate up to one territory per turn in Soviet Union, where its considered a fortress city. Use Blockhouse units from AA bulge to designate these.
• Anti-Partisan sweeps: Negates Soviet partisan selection
• The Bunker: The Soviets need to capture Berlin to win, selecting this can save the game, because it becomes the new German capital and must be captured for the Soviet player to claim a win. He will not know this until it may be too late.Soviet Union:
• Lend Lease: Each turn roll one D6= income that must be spent on units except Infantry.
• Zhukov: All infantry in factories defend at 3
• Paratroopers: Each Bomber can drop one infantry within 2 spaces of friendly forces.
• Partisans: Roll one d6= income lost from German occupied Soviet territories that turn. This roll is performed each game turn.
• Conscripts: Five Infantry may be purchased for 10 IPC each turn.
• Katyusha: An Artillery fires preemptively on the first round and loses are removed and do not fire back. -
OK IL, can the setup oil tokens be placed anywhere?
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yea at start anywhere.
Then they are placed at oil centers and need to be moved to where you want to attack.
On the first turn only the German attacks get a double action. Each of these combat phases still requires a token (2)
The German player needs to keep pushing to get to a point where the economics are balanced or close. If they face defeat they must then play for survival.
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OK IL, thanks for all the info. Start first test game 08/04/11.
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Started first game today but spent a lot of time in discussion before the game and during the first round. Actually we ony finished the German turn. So many mistakes we decided to restart at another time. Photo is after Germany finished its turn.
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Now my questions for IL. When does Finland activate? First round or later? Why do you have the arrows (flags) printed in Bavaria and Volzhhsky? And why are there two IPC value circles printed in Bavaria? Did you intend fighter bombers to be 3/3/4/11 or 3/2/6/8 units? I cannot see any way that Germany can sustain Barbarossa with the amount of oil allocated. If Russia does not place their oil tokens in the front lines during setup then it becomes a real longshot for Germany to capture any on round one. Russia may decide to forego any attacks during round one and defend only. That way they do not need to place any oil in the front lines. During this test game Russia placed all its oil in the front lines and that allowed Germany to capture much of it.
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Is anyone else out there trying out this game at present. If there is I would be interested in swaping notes and ideas.
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Now my questions for IL. When does Finland activate? First round or later?
yes 1st round.
Why do you have the arrows (flags) printed in Bavaria and Volzhhsky? And why are there two IPC value circles printed in Bavaria?
This is off map income and cannot be taken away. The numbers add up to the starting values in IPC.
Did you intend fighter bombers to be 3/3/4/11 or 3/2/6/8 units?
Go by whats printed on the map.
I cannot see any way that Germany can sustain Barbarossa with the amount of oil allocated. If Russia does not place their oil tokens in the front lines during setup then it becomes a real longshot for Germany to capture any on round one. Russia may decide to forego any attacks during round one and defend only. That way they do not need to place any oil in the front lines. During this test game Russia placed all its oil in the front lines and that allowed Germany to capture much of it.
The trick is to not spend them all on turn one and rebuild the oil ( at rate of two per turn). The German player must select his attacks and not waste the oil chits. Also, you may consider the armor rules:
**Armor Exploitation: any land unit that still has one movement point left over can make one additional movement or attack. This may only involve retreating a territory to avoid a deadly counterattack, or it may involve a larger plan of surrounding the enemy by encirclement.
Encirclement of the enemy has the following effects: All units attacking cause two hits for each normal hit rolled.**
This is very important for the German player, this can get you the oil tokens you need. If you cant reach any Soviet oil tokens, this means he wont be attacking you. Wherever you see him piling up these tokens, he is preparing for a counter attack.
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