League G40 Team Game - Stucifer/Crockett36 v Daaras/FranceNeedsMorePower

[Stucifer]

@FranceNeedsMorePower one of the strategies suggested is the Norway Knockout which is a big, naked transport landing in Norway by the US on turn 3, with the buy being 6 strat bombers; they can fly to Norway on US4 and start pummeling German ICs US5.

However that takes first round transport buy, second round move to Iceland with UK providing fleet defense, and then ideally UK landing UK 2 and US reinforcing with any air units its brought over and the 5 transports. Suddenly you have ~12 ground units and some air there to hold it and Germany usually can’t take it back.

Then UK sends more defenders as needed and US starts bombing away.

[Daaras]

@Stucifer @FranceNeedsMorePower I am not partial to any side, I havent played much box is a while lol.

I’ve been on the forums a few years as well, and happily got to the finals in PTV last year but then got absolutely smoked in them. I may have put up less of as resistance than poland.

I am an engineer by day.

I also don’t play much live as the time commitment is just too much. I’m married with 1 kid so far, but my brothers and I do try to get some games of the quicker versions in from time to time. The weekends Stu comes to visit are lovely.

[crockett36]

I’m a UPS guy of 32 years. 7 kids, same wife. last one a senior this year. Hoping to retire from this job next year and finish my master of divinity. Live in NH.

I was responding to Ted’s comment that I would secretly be hoping the Axis lose IF I was playing the Axis. I play this game, 25 percent because of personal history, 50 percent because of my love of history and 25 percent for the love of competition/strategy.

Looks like we need to flip a coin or start a bid. Let’s start the bid at 50 if we can’t decide. 50 for the Axis. As in “I will play the Axis if you give me 50. Counter offer?”

[Daaras]

@crockett36 I’m not trying to sound dumb or anything, but I honestly have no idea what a fair bid is. We could decide on a fair bid and them flip a coin? I haven’t really played box in years lol

[Stucifer]

It’s a custom setup as well, with a bunch of extra units already given out to the Allies. Maybe we need to look at the setup and chat about it before deciding. @gamerman01 designed it with the idea that it would be a standard setup for the tournament potentially without a needed bid

[Stucifer]

2v2 Tourney Setup.tsvg

see also https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/post/1768559

[gamerman01]

@Stucifer that’s right
The starting setup I put out there is not optional. But if sides aren’t easily agreed on, bid from that starting point, or negotiate, whatever

crockett just forgot that for a mo, or didn’t understand.

[FranceNeedsMorePower]

@Stucifer I have heard of that one just don’t see the purpose of it. I feel the money could be spend else where and do better.

[Booper]

@FranceNeedsMorePower

FYI, competitive bids for OOB are in the 40-60 ipc range for the Allies. This is for optimized placement of Allied bid units.

Gamermans setup is equivalent to a 77 bid, but with non-optimal placement of units. FWIW, I think it looks pretty good, and we are on the bracket are playing it straight up, no additional bid.

[Booper]

Meant to say we on the other side of the bracket….

[crockett36]

I understood the setup is not optional. None have us have seen this setup before so I was offering you all money to play the Axis. That would adjust the setup even further to the benefit of the Axis. But it sounds like we should just flip a coin.

[FranceNeedsMorePower]

@Booper Man that seems to high. I know that’s probably right but that’s high.

[Stucifer]

Oh I understood it as you were asking as a declining bid, starting at 50 for us as Axis

So the counter would be “Sure you can have 50 to play Axis” or “We’ll play Axis for only 30!”

To which we might say then, “You can play Axis for 30”, or, “Well, we’ll play Axis for 20 I guess…”

and so on

[Stucifer]

@crockett36 said in League G40 Team Game - Stucifer/Crockett36 v Daaras/FranceNeedsMorePower:

But it sounds like we should just flip a coin.

Agreed. Me & Daaras are ambivalent and you & France are Allied-favorite. I don’t feel a bid is necessary.

We can do this in true A&A League fashion and have MARTI roll a single die for us! Sending the email to me & Daaras since i have his email handy

Odd - Stu & Crockett take Axis
Even - Stu & Crockett take Allies

I got a 1, which means Odd, which means me & Crockett take Axis (sorry sir!)

[Stucifer]

[crockett36]

@FranceNeedsMorePower said in League G40 Team Game - Stucifer/Crockett36 v Daaras/FranceNeedsMorePower:

@Booper Man that seems to high. I know that’s probably right but that’s high.

It’s actually not that high. 45 to 60 is the current bid amongst the top players. Thank you AndrewAAgamer. But in their protocols the bid is spent wherever they would like to. This is standardized and meant to balance the game. It is not worried about changing the course of the first turn, but delaying the Axis and adding historical elements. Which we all signed up for.

[FranceNeedsMorePower]

@crockett36 So let’s say I had an extra 60 IPC’s i could just put 20 Infantry into a single zone?

[FranceNeedsMorePower]

@crockett36 Personally I feel Global is balanced. I know that is widely not agreed upon but some say it favors the Allies and some say the Axis so I have chosen the middle. So do we a roll a dice now?

[FranceNeedsMorePower]

@crockett36 I get it we are doing a decline bid. In that case let’s not do the dice.

Can I bid without my partner or do I have to wait till we are online at the same time.

[Daaras]

@FranceNeedsMorePower The rules for bidding are you buy units and can place 1 per territory in territories you already have units in. Not just control. Same with SZ’s.

Global is hilariously unbalanced, but it really comes down to the skill of the axis player imo. A great axis player in G40 will almost never lose without a bid.

Are we doing a bid, or is this modified setup the “bid” ?