A non- political 9-11 question

[Imperious Leader]

Bringing in Hitler in a topic on 9-11 is NOT ON TOPIC, either by comparison, analogy, anything.

It does not matter if you said “Hitler was the devil”  Just leave out Hitler and Terrorists in a conversation about “where were you on 9-11”

Thats what this thread is about. Not about Hitler or Terrorists or how bad they are. The thing always mutates latter into “obama is _____” or its Bush’s fault latter.

It may seem crazy but i have been seeing this for over five years on this site. It starts with one thing than leads to another and fights start.

And don’t be defensive. I am just here to make sure problems don’t start. I don’t have as they say “a dog in this fight”

[ABWorsham4]

It’s time to kill this post. It’s beyond saving.

[bbrett3]

@Imperious:

And don’t be defensive. I am just here to make sure problems don’t start. I don’t have as they say “a dog in this fight”

So now you gotta bring Vick into it? OH, IT’S ON NOW!!!

jk :wink:

[Jermofoot]

I want a political 7-11 question.

[Guest]

The United States Government entered the war intending to use strategic daylight precision bombing, which was used with mixed success in Europe and never officially abandoned as a policy. Over Japan, because of the jetstream, strategic precision bombing proved to be impractical and the United States abandoned the policy in favour of a policy of area bombardment. From March 1945 through the end of the war, many Japanese cities were subjected to area bombing with incendiaries. Tokyo, Osaka, and many other cities were burned out by firestorms that reached over 1000 degrees Fahrenheit. American precision bombing, fire bombing and atomic bombing in Japan killed between 330,000 and 500,000 Japanese civilians.

Just a little history lesson.

[Jermofoot]

@Brain:

The United States Government entered the war intending to use strategic daylight precision bombing, which was used with mixed success in Europe and never officially abandoned as a policy. Over Japan, because of the jetstream, strategic precision bombing proved to be impractical and the United States abandoned the policy in favour of a policy of area bombardment. From March 1945 through the end of the war, many Japanese cities were subjected to area bombing with incendiaries. Tokyo, Osaka, and many other cities were burned out by firestorms that reached over 1000 degrees Fahrenheit. American precision bombing, fire bombing and atomic bombing in Japan killed between 330,000 and 500,000 Japanese civilians.

Just a little history lesson.

I saw an amazing comparison in The Fog of War (Robert McNamara’s story on US approach to war) that showed the equivalent US cities in size to the ones bombed in Japan.  I know this will fall on deaf ears and/or be negated by “they started it”, but this is something to really think about.

http://www.ditext.com/japan/napalm.html

Just some excerpts:

NYC - 51% destroyed
LA - 40%
Chicago - 35.1%
Chattanooga - 99%
San Diego - 37.6%
Baltimore - 55.7%
Miami - 35.8%
Lexingon (my town) - 50.2%
Boston - 69.3%

[Guest]

I saw an amazing comparison in The Fog of War (Robert McNamara’s story on US approach to war) that showed the equivalent US cities in size to the ones bombed in Japan.  I know this will fall on deaf ears and/or be negated by “they started it”, but this is something to really think about.

http://www.ditext.com/japan/napalm.html

Just some excerpts:

NYC - 51% destroyed
LA - 40%
Chicago - 35.1%
Chattanooga - 99%
San Diego - 37.6%
Baltimore - 55.7%
Miami - 35.8%
Lexingon (my town) - 50.2%
Boston - 69.3%

I saw something similar to this when I was at the D-Day Museum in New Orleans just about 2 weeks before Katrina hit. It showed all the cities in Japan that were bombed and the percentage of destruction to each city. It was shocking.

[ABWorsham4]

@Jermofoot:

@Brain:

The United States Government entered the war intending to use strategic daylight precision bombing, which was used with mixed success in Europe and never officially abandoned as a policy. Over Japan, because of the jetstream, strategic precision bombing proved to be impractical and the United States abandoned the policy in favour of a policy of area bombardment. From March 1945 through the end of the war, many Japanese cities were subjected to area bombing with incendiaries. Tokyo, Osaka, and many other cities were burned out by firestorms that reached over 1000 degrees Fahrenheit. American precision bombing, fire bombing and atomic bombing in Japan killed between 330,000 and 500,000 Japanese civilians.

Just a little history lesson.

I saw an amazing comparison in The Fog of War (Robert McNamara’s story on US approach to war) that showed the equivalent US cities in size to the ones bombed in Japan.  I know this will fall on deaf ears and/or be negated by “they started it”, but this is something to really think about.

http://www.ditext.com/japan/napalm.html

Just some excerpts:

NYC - 51% destroyed
LA - 40%
Chicago - 35.1%
Chattanooga - 99%
San Diego - 37.6%
Baltimore - 55.7%
Miami - 35.8%
Lexingon (my town) - 50.2%
Boston - 69.3%

Thanks for the post. We shouldn’t lose sight of the suffering that war brings.

[Guest]

Countries should settle their differences over a game of Axis and Allies.

[gnasape]

@Brain:

Countries should settle their differences over a game of Axis and Allies.

Good idea but can you imagine the argument over the rules, realism, etc, etc.  It will be like this forum! :)

Nah, seriously, a good game of chess is what we need to settle wars.  Champion vs. Champion!

World Series of Chess!

[Imperious Leader]

Good idea but can you imagine the argument over the rules, realism, etc, etc.

exactly, now i was saying the blockhouse must be a 2 or less unit……blah blah blah.

[Panzer Leader]

I was watching TV at the time waiting to pick-up my wife at her work to go to our Lawyer’s appointment for singning the papers for our new home we just had purchased. I was thinking I was watching a movie or something until I actually realized that this was really happening, and then I thought it was just a plane accident, and then the guy comes on saying the second tower just got struck by another plane, then the Pentagon got hit, and I thought it was going to be WW3 starting and the world was going to hell in a handbasket, and here I am buying a brand new expensive house. I did not know what to think. :-P
On a side note has anybody else seen that American 20 dollar fold-up that shows the towers on fire, oshama, 911, the Pentagon on fire as well, etc. That is actually pretty creeping. :?

[Panzer Leader]

@Brain:

Countries should settle their differences over a game of Axis and Allies.

If only it could be that simple! Of course the looser would never comply in the real world.
But I like the suggestion Brain Damaged. :-D

[Lucifer]

Any of you watched Rome? one of the best TV series lately. In the second season, Marcus Antonius suggest that he and Octavian settle the disagreement in a duel style, 1vs1…. :roll:

At that time, Marcus Antonius did not manage to mobilize and organize an (Egyptian) army which could possibly put up a decent fight against the Romans, so instead he suggested 1vs1 duel with swords or something… :lol:

Octavian thought Marcus Antonius had lost his mind, and Octavian was perfectly correct, even if Octavian had no knowledge of psychology or psychiatry.

[Imperious Leader]

I got that on DVD. I don’t like the fact that the Romans use modern curse words in every sentence, just to point out that fact that they existed. It detracts from the story when every other word is F***. The thing is so Ghetto the only thing left out is pit bulls, cocaine, pimps, and women doing the thunderclap. HBO tried to make a Soprano with togas with that show.

[Jermofoot]

@Imperious:

I got that on DVD. I don’t like the fact that the Romans use modern curse words in every sentence, just to point out that fact that they existed. It detracts from the story when every other word is F***. The thing is so Ghetto the only thing left out is pit bulls, cocaine, pimps, and women doing the thunderclap. HBO tried to make a Soprano with togas with that show.

The fact that they speak English instead of Latin doesn’t bother you?

But hey, ancient Rome kept it real in Italy before the Mafia ever existed.  Nero and Caligula were drowning the empire in depravity long before any Al Capone and Don Corleone wannabes.

[Imperious Leader]

The fact that they speak English instead of Latin doesn’t bother you?

I would they rather speak like what we got in Spartacus  ( Lawrence Olivier especially ). A proper Roman accent without expletives. I think they want to pull out some revisionist slant on Rome when clearly this civilization was the greatest of its age compared to everything else which were essentially Barbarians.  If they want to do ‘Ghetto skits’ they should make fun of the Vandals and Visigoths. Rome was the only glue that held together western civilization at that time.

[Lucifer]

Some of the consultants, at least the historian who had most influence, except for the main writers, said that their goal was to give a realistic atmosphere of the way romans lived, rather than that every single specific details should be absolutely according historians and archaeologists.
There are a lot of preserved documentation and sources on the Roman Empire, but we don’t know as much as, i.e. WW1.

Imo, Rome was almost as good as Sopranos, and more entertaining than West wing.

[Guest]

I think I would rather watch “Life of Brian.”  Now that was a good movie about Roman life.

[Imperious Leader]

Some of the consultants, at least the historian who had most influence, except for the main writers, said that their goal was to give a realistic atmosphere of the way romans lived, rather than that every single specific details should be absolutely according historians and archaeologists.

Yes but the writers are the guys having them say F*** in every other word. The set and dress may be Roman, but the conversational tone may be the work of people with an axe to grind.