Redrum's and P@nther's battle thread

[Panther]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v3 1941, version: 1.7

Game History

Round: 8

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 techTokens; 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            5 armour, 6 artilleries and 24 infantry moved from Russia to Urals

Combat - Russians
            Battle in Urals
                Russians attack with 5 armour, 6 artilleries and 24 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Russians win, taking Urals from Japanese with 5 armour, 6 artilleries and 24 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Russians
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Finland
            3 aaGuns moved from Russia to Urals

Place Units - Russians
            3 infantry placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 7 PUs; end with 7 PUs total

Dice Statistics:

Total
            1 was rolled 12 times
            2 was rolled 6 times
            3 was rolled 6 times
            4 was rolled 7 times
            6 was rolled 5 times
        Average roll : 2,778
        Median : 2,500
        Variance : 2,114
        Standard Deviation : 1,454
        Total rolls : 36

Russians Combat
            1 was rolled 12 times
            2 was rolled 6 times
            3 was rolled 6 times
            4 was rolled 6 times
            6 was rolled 5 times
        Average roll : 2,743
        Median : 2,000
        Variance : 2,265
        Standard Deviation : 1,505
        Total rolls : 35

Japanese Combat
            4 was rolled 1 times
        Average roll : 4,000
        Median : 4,000
        Variance : ?
        Standard Deviation : ?
        Total rolls : 1

[Panther]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v3 1941, version: 1.7

Game History

Round: 8

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 techTokens; 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            5 armour, 6 artilleries and 24 infantry moved from Russia to Urals

Combat - Russians
            Battle in Urals
                Russians attack with 5 armour, 6 artilleries and 24 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Russians win, taking Urals from Japanese with 5 armour, 6 artilleries and 24 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Russians
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Finland
            3 aaGuns moved from Russia to Urals

Place Units - Russians
            3 infantry placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 7 PUs; end with 7 PUs total

Dice Statistics:

Total
            1 was rolled 12 times
            2 was rolled 6 times
            3 was rolled 6 times
            4 was rolled 7 times
            6 was rolled 5 times
        Average roll : 2,778
        Median : 2,500
        Variance : 2,114
        Standard Deviation : 1,454
        Total rolls : 36

Russians Combat
            1 was rolled 12 times
            2 was rolled 6 times
            3 was rolled 6 times
            4 was rolled 6 times
            6 was rolled 5 times
        Average roll : 2,743
        Median : 2,000
        Variance : 2,265
        Standard Deviation : 1,505
        Total rolls : 35

Japanese Combat
            4 was rolled 1 times
        Average roll : 4,000
        Median : 4,000
        Variance : ?
        Standard Deviation : ?
        Total rolls : 1

[Panther]

Incredible - with these Russian dice results I would have had best chances to win the Caucasus-battle, which I of course did not fight due to bad chances…

[Panther]

Anyway - what do you think about moving on?

I’m ready to resign …. as I can’t do anything apart from delaying the inevitable…

Just let me know, we can continue of course, if you want …

[redrum]

Well that is some nice rolls to waste! Lots of 1’s! Gotta hate when you get the lucky rolls when you don’t need them.

But yeah we can call this one as I agree its pretty much over. Probably would be officially won within a round or 2 anyways.

Did you want to start a new game on a different map?

[Panther]

@redrum:

…
Did you want to start a new game on a different map?

Yes, that’s what I meant. We could continue maybe with 1942 2nd edition, just to get to the current ruleset.
But I am open to other suggestions…

[redrum]

Sounds good. I’d say go ahead and start it up. I haven’t played it before so if you have any major pointers that would be appreciated.

[Panther]

@redrum:

Sounds good. I’d say go ahead and start it up. I haven’t played it before so if you have any major pointers that would be appreciated.

Fine.

We move on to the ruleset that was developped for Global 1940 2nd Edition - and (as a simplification) 1942 2nd edition.

Major changes are:

• AA Guns now shoot at a maximum of 3 planes each. So you must have more than one AA gun in a territory in order to be able to shoot at more than three attacking planes. You need for example 2 AA guns to shoot at a maximum of 6 enemy planes.
• AA Guns are no longer subject to capture but can be taken as casualties. They will be autodestroyed if attacked and no other defending unit is available. They still can be moved only in NCM. They no longer defend against SBR, because
• Factories have a “built-in” AA shooting at every SBR-ing bomber.
• Unit prices are slightly different (see TripleA) - Tanks cost 6.
• A transport is not allowed to offload land units for an amphibious assault in a sea zone containing one or more ignored enemy submarines unless at least one warship belonging to the attacking power is also present in the sea zone at the end of the Combat Move phase.

This is what came quickly to my mind. I will point out possible other aspects when I recall them.

[Panther]

Russia’s going first.

Rolling for sides:

Even - redrum=Axis
Odd  - redrum=Allies

Rolling 1d6:
(1)

[Panther]

Links to rulebook and FAQ are here:

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=28699.msg1018683#msg1018683

Awaiting your first move  :-)

[redrum]

Test summary from TripleA, engine version: 1.8.0.5, time: 23:13:19

[redrum]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v5 1942 Second Edition, version: 1.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 3 artilleries and 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Karelia S.S.R. to West Russia
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Archangel to West Russia
            1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Russia to West Russia
            1 fighter moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Ukraine S.S.R.
            2 armour and 1 fighter moved from Russia to Ukraine S.S.R.
            1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Caucasus to Ukraine S.S.R.

Combat - Russians
            Battle in Ukraine S.S.R.
                Russians attack with 3 armour, 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 3 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 3 infantry
                    Russians roll dice for 3 armour, 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 3 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 :  5/9 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 :  1/6 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians, 3 infantry owned by the Germans, 1 artillery owned by the Germans and 1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
                    Russians roll dice for 3 armour, 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 3 :  3/8 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 fighter in Ukraine S.S.R., round 3 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 fighter owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
                Russians win, taking Ukraine S.S.R. from Germans with 3 armour, 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 23
                Casualties for Germans: 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 3 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
            Battle in West Russia
                Russians attack with 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 9 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry
                    Russians roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 9 infantry in West Russia, round 2 :  4/12 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry in West Russia, round 2 :  2/5 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Russians, 3 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 artillery owned by the Germans lost in West Russia
                    Russians roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 7 infantry in West Russia, round 3 :  2/10 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour in West Russia, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    1 armour owned by the Germans lost in West Russia
                Russians win, taking West Russia from Germans with 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 7 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 13
                Casualties for Germans: 1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry

Non Combat Move - Russians
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Cleaning up during movement phase
            2 fighters moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Caucasus
            1 infantry moved from Kazakh S.S.R. to Szechwan
            1 infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Russia
            1 aaGun moved from Russia to West Russia
            2 infantry moved from Evenki National Okrug to Archangel
            1 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Evenki National Okrug
            2 infantry moved from Soviet Far East to Yakut S.S.R.
            1 infantry moved from Buryatia S.S.R. to Yakut S.S.R.
            1 submarine moved from 4 Sea Zone to 7 Sea Zone

Place Units - Russians
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from West Russia: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Ukraine S.S.R.: 3 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            EDIT: Changing ownership of Ukraine S.S.R. from Russians to Germans
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Ukraine S.S.R.: 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 fighter
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 artillery and 3 infantry placed in Caucasus
            1 infantry placed in Karelia S.S.R.
            2 artilleries placed in Russia
            1 fighter could not land in Ukraine S.S.R. and was removed

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 26 PUs; end with 26 PUs total

Dice Statistics:

Total
            1 was rolled 11 times
            2 was rolled 10 times
            3 was rolled 6 times
            4 was rolled 6 times
            5 was rolled 9 times
            6 was rolled 10 times
        Average roll : 3.423
        Median : 3.000
        Variance : 0.510
        Standard Deviation : 0.714
        Total rolls : 52

Germans Combat
            1 was rolled 1 times
            2 was rolled 3 times
            3 was rolled 2 times
            4 was rolled 2 times
            5 was rolled 3 times
            6 was rolled 2 times
        Average roll : 3.692
        Median : 4.000
        Variance : 0.250
        Standard Deviation : 0.500
        Total rolls : 13

Russians Combat
            1 was rolled 10 times
            2 was rolled 7 times
            3 was rolled 4 times
            4 was rolled 4 times
            5 was rolled 6 times
            6 was rolled 8 times
        Average roll : 3.333
        Median : 3.000
        Variance : 0.763
        Standard Deviation : 0.874
        Total rolls : 39

[redrum]

So the struggles are real…

I started the new game and forgot to make it a forum game but rolled all the dice. So then I restarted and edited the original result into a new forum game which is why you see duplicate dice rolls. The difference between the two rolls in pretty incredible :)

Anyways, pretty much a disastrous Russia turn 1. The attack in Ukraine had an expected ~12 TUV swing and ended with -22! This is probably gonna be a short one!

[Panther]

Ouch… bad luck indeed.

Let’s see how this turns out - my battles are always good for similar dice experiences  :wink:

I’ll continue tomorrow.  :-)

[Panther]

@redrum:

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v5 1942 Second Edition, version: 1.9

Game History

Round: 1

…
        Place Units - Russians
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from West Russia: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Ukraine S.S.R.: 3 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            EDIT: Changing ownership of Ukraine S.S.R. from Russians to Germans
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Ukraine S.S.R.: 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 fighter
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 artillery and 3 infantry placed in Caucasus
            1 infantry placed in Karelia S.S.R.
            2 artilleries placed in Russia
            1 fighter could not land in Ukraine S.S.R. and was removed

When studying the map I wondered where that German fighter ended.
Now I know… TripleA did not realize that - after the edits -  it was a surviving defending fighter, but - due to the territory owner change in the edit - assumed that it landed in a territory that was not friendly at the beginning of the turn, so destroyed it.

However, I came back from work just minutes ago (10.30 pm here) and feel too tired to elaborate a G1 move right now.
Will do it definitely tomorrow. I hope to come back to a quicker pace then.  :-)

[redrum]

Oh lol. I didn’t even notice that. I just opened the save and realized that it did remove the fighter after I added it just like the summary mentions. Makes sense just never thought about it.

[Panther]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II v5 1942 Second Edition, version: 1.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Germans
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Ukraine S.S.R.: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Germans buy 1 artillery, 2 carriers and 1 destroyer; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            2 submarines moved from 9 Sea Zone to 11 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Norway to 7 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Northwestern Europe to 7 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Germany to 7 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Northwestern Europe to 5 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 5 Sea Zone to Karelia S.S.R.
            1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Karelia S.S.R.
            1 fighter moved from Bulgaria Romania to 17 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to 17 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Germany to 14 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Italy to 15 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 15 Sea Zone to 14 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 14 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 fighter moved from Poland to Karelia S.S.R.
            2 submarines moved from 5 Sea Zone to 7 Sea Zone

[Panther]

Does the Russian Sub submerge or fight?

[redrum]

Submerge.

[Panther]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v5 1942 Second Edition, version: 1.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Germans
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Ukraine S.S.R.: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Germans buy 1 artillery, 2 carriers and 1 destroyer; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            2 submarines moved from 9 Sea Zone to 11 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Norway to 7 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Northwestern Europe to 7 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Germany to 7 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Northwestern Europe to 5 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 5 Sea Zone to Karelia S.S.R.
            1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Karelia S.S.R.
            1 fighter moved from Bulgaria Romania to 17 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to 17 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Germany to 14 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Italy to 15 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 15 Sea Zone to 14 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 14 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 fighter moved from Poland to Karelia S.S.R.
            2 submarines moved from 5 Sea Zone to 7 Sea Zone

Combat - Germans
            Battle in 14 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 fighter and 1 transport
                British defend with 1 cruiser
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans
                Germans win with 1 battleship and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter
                Casualties for British: 1 cruiser
            Battle in 17 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 2 fighters
                British defend with 1 destroyer
                Germans win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2
                Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
            Battle in Gibraltar
            Battle in 11 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 2 submarines
                Americans defend with 1 destroyer and 2 transports
                Germans win, taking Gibraltar from British with 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 22
                Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer and 2 transports
            Battle in 7 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 submarines
                British defend with 1 battleship and 1 transport; Russians defend with 1 submarine
                1 submarine owned by the Russians Submerged
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British
                Germans win with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 27
                Casualties for British: 1 battleship and 1 transport
            Battle in Karelia S.S.R.
                Germans attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Russians defend with 1 factory and 1 infantry
                Germans win, taking Karelia S.S.R. from Russians with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 fighter moved from 17 Sea Zone to 15 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from 7 Sea Zone to Germany
            1 fighter moved from Karelia S.S.R. to 5 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 7 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 7 Sea Zone to France
            3 infantry moved from Belorussia to Karelia S.S.R.
            3 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia S.S.R.
            1 armour moved from Baltic States to Karelia S.S.R.
            2 armour moved from Germany to Karelia S.S.R.
            1 armour moved from Poland to Karelia S.S.R.
            1 armour moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Karelia S.S.R.
            1 artillery moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Poland
            1 armour moved from Bulgaria Romania to Poland
            1 infantry moved from Bulgaria Romania to Poland
            1 armour moved from Italy to Poland
            2 armour moved from France to Poland
            2 infantry moved from Germany to France
            1 armour moved from Northwestern Europe to Poland
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Algeria to Libya
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Southern Europe to Bulgaria Romania
            2 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
            1 infantry moved from Bulgaria Romania to Poland
            1 infantry moved from Poland to Ukraine S.S.R.
            1 infantry moved from Poland to Belorussia

Place Units - Germans
            1 carrier placed in 5 Sea Zone
            1 carrier placed in 15 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer placed in 5 Sea Zone
            1 artillery placed in Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 41 PUs; end with 42 PUs total
            1 unit repaired.