Moral question…

[Gargantua]

@Imperious:

I was in some place called Pollo Loco yesterday and there was a short line.

This guy walks in and in seconds everybody who was eating…stopped eating and started to look around.

It smelled like somebody lived in a sewer! It was a horrific smell and the funny thing is people who were waiting in line just left and walked out…in fact a number of people just got up and left.

I figured this is a quick fix to not have to wait, but i too was overcome by this horrible smell and walked out and had lunch somewhere else.

So to me when somebody smells like that, it’s kinda like an assault.

In terms of what to do in the job, always talk to employees in private and just send them home. But to their defense, construction jobsites are often replete with tasks that get people dirty and stinky and most likely this person has limited sets of clothing for work and he probably soiled what he had left. A thorough discussion of how he might effect his coworkers and what is expected of him should clear up the problem.

Some allowances like an emergency set of fresh clothing could be made available for people like that to change in. Like the last guy said, construction sites are not professional workplaces and the “dress code” has far less expectations than normal workplaces.

An Excellent post.

[Gargantua]

Based on IL’s premise that the stink is an assault.

If I berated an employee for starting a physical fight on a jobsite, in ear-shot of other peers, and released said employee for it.  I don’t think that’s unreasonable either?

Jobsites are not traditionally private workplaces.

The lesson I’ve learned from this moral question, was that some procedural changes in the future are wise (Paper follow-through on the person).  I will reconsider public disclosure of my sentiments with future individuals as well.

[MrMalachiCrunch]

All that being said I will acknowledge that tradesmen and construction sites can be less than professional workplaces.

Unlike say a software design house where the white collar geeks play networked video games and surf porn……

[Linkon]

@Hepps01:

@Gargantua:

• A week of -no change- and I said it out-loud to him in front of a group of people…
• Another week of -no change- and I simply dropped the bomb, you F’n STINK, and it still didn’t seem to register…

This is unconscionable behavior for anyone on a managerial or supervisory role.  Public humiliation of an employee (regardless of the causal factors) is deplorable behavior.  While it may have made you popular with the other employees in the short term and may have solved the immediate problem, you have probably done more long term damage to your credibility as a leader than anything else.  And if you don’t get sued for discriminatory practices you should count yourself very lucky.

Garg can pay the other staffers at the time of the firing to arrive on the court date to witness how the workplace sanitation was reducing the productivity of that particular site until the offensive stench was removed.

[MrMalachiCrunch]

……or the other staffers will sign statements saying how stinky likes looking at kids for a little too long if stinky wants to make an issue of it

[Imperious Leader]

If I berated an employee for starting a physical fight on a jobsite, in ear-shot of other peers, and released said employee for it. � I don’t think that’s unreasonable either?

Well no matter what– to afford respect from how people view you, these discussions must always be out earshot of anybody else. It’s really not anybody’s business how or why you fire an employee for any reason. The professional way is to inform them in private ( as much as possible). If you make it a public spectacle, you lose the respect of others who will view your leadership with fear and that’s not the way to lead a team.

[Zooey72]

That’s what you get for hiring a french guy.

[Raymond Biesinger]

@Zooey72:

That’s what you get for hiring a french guy.

Stupid comment.

Yrs.,
R.

[Gargantua]

Sacre Bleu!

[MrMalachiCrunch]

I have lots of French guys who work for me.  I think this is what they would say in response to this:

That’s what you get for hiring a french guy.

tabarnak de calisse

[Canuck12]

@MrMalachiCrunch:

tabarnak de calisse

I believe that would be: “câlice.”