HBG has pictures of the next German set up


  • @knp7765:

    Am I missing any?

    How about the Heinkel He 162 Volksjäger?


  • Am i the only one planning on painting the He-51 tan and using it as a Swordfish? (because I don’t know what else to do with it)

  • Customizer

    I was just checking out the sculpts in the German #2 set and noticed something else. Instead of the actual names of the sculpts like before, now there are just more generic terms (Instead of Me262 it now just says "Jet Fighter). Now, I understand that this set is still being developed even though it looks like you have excellent sculpts for all the models that were listed. Frankly, I don’t understand this change over to a more generic list of pieces but I’m sure you have a reason for it.
    What worries me is I saw “light tank” which I would judge as the Panzer II and “heavy tank” which I would judge as the Tiger 1. However, I saw no “medium tank” which is where I figured the Panzer IV would fit in. I am hoping this doesn’t mean it will be taken off the list.
    One item I did see was “light carrier” which I don’t understand. Does it mean a light aircraft carrier? To the best of my knowledge, Germany only had 1 aircraft carrier, the Graf Zeppelin, which was a fleet sized carrier. I don’t think they ever had any light carriers. I know we like variety in this game, but I really doubt many players would want a light carrier for Germany anyway. US, Japan and perhaps UK would surely use them, but I don’t see Germany doing so.
    I certainly hope the Panzer IV doesn’t get replaced by a light carrier. That would be a big dissappointment.


  • @knp7765:

    I was just checking out the sculpts in the German #2 set and noticed something else. Instead of the actual names of the sculpts like before, now there are just more generic terms (Instead of Me262 it now just says "Jet Fighter). Now, I understand that this set is still being developed even though it looks like you have excellent sculpts for all the models that were listed. Frankly, I don’t understand this change over to a more generic list of pieces but I’m sure you have a reason for it.
    What worries me is I saw “light tank” which I would judge as the Panzer II and “heavy tank” which I would judge as the Tiger 1. However, I saw no “medium tank” which is where I figured the Panzer IV would fit in. I am hoping this doesn’t mean it will be taken off the list.
    One item I did see was “light carrier” which I don’t understand. Does it mean a light aircraft carrier? To the best of my knowledge, Germany only had 1 aircraft carrier, the Graf Zeppelin, which was a fleet sized carrier. I don’t think they ever had any light carriers. I know we like variety in this game, but I really doubt many players would want a light carrier for Germany anyway. US, Japan and perhaps UK would surely use them, but I don’t see Germany doing so.
    I certainly hope the Panzer IV doesn’t get replaced by a light carrier. That would be a big dissappointment.

    I looked at the picture carefully myself, and I think I’m seeing a Panzer IV, and Tiger, and a Panzer II.  So it looks to me like it’s still in, even if they forgot to mention “medium tank” in their list of units.  Am I right about this, guys?


  • Oh, and btw, my sets of EW Russians arrived, and I have to say, once again, “GREAT JOB GUYS!”  You did it again!  Detailing is good; for me better than adequate (on this scale I don’t expect detail much better than oob, and this certainly is) and color matching is spot-on perfect, both for the brown and for the burgundy set (as compared to oob.)  In fact, while giving slightly better detail (and being a little less “smooth” and “shiny” because of the different plastic type, I assume) it actually takes a careful look to identify HBG from oob in the light that I’m looking at them when I lay them out together in mixed groups.  (I mean as a whole, of course, since the individual sculpts are different, not copies.)

    One interesting difference that I noticed was that the T-34 was noticeably shorter but with a noticeably larger turret than oob.  Was this deliberate, and is it intended to represent a different model of T-34 or simply more accurate proportions?  The disadvantage of the shorter T-34 is that it’s a little harder to distinguish medium from light tanks at a glance, which means that I’ll probably maintain a preference for the oob model in actual use.  Not that this a major problem, just curious…


  • @knp7765:

    One item I did see was “light carrier” which I don’t understand. Does it mean a light aircraft carrier? To the best of my knowledge, Germany only had 1 aircraft carrier, the Graf Zeppelin, which was a fleet sized carrier. I don’t think they ever had any light carriers.

    Germany planned several one-off converted CVL’s, although the only vessel on which any conversion work was completed was the CA Seydlitz (renamed Weser while undergoing conversion).  I personally would like to see a CVL/CVE for each nation, including Germany (Seydlitz/Weser would be my first choice for Germany), but I can understand that most players would probably rather the iconic and widely produced and used Panzer IV.

  • Customizer

    AG124,
    I stand corrected. I was not aware that Germany made any attempts at creating a CVL. Thanks for the info.

    DrLarsen,
    I think HBG’s T-34 turret is more accurately proportioned. The turret on the OOB T-34 is actually too small and narrow. Although, in later versions they have improved and it does look better now. You should see some of the T-34s from the original Europe (1999) and Revised. The turret was really skinny on those.


  • I thought HBG would have been better to do the T-34/85 so the bigger the turrett the better

  • Customizer

    Well, the name for this set is “Russia: Early War” and the T-34/85 didn’t come out until mid to late war. All of the items in this set I believe are things that the Soviets had in their arsenal up until the Germans invaded them in June 1941.
    Some are a surprise to me, like the Katyusha and KV-2. I didn’t know they had those that early. I didn’t think they even had T-34/76s until late 41/early 42 during their first winter offensives against the Germans. Perhaps they did have them before, but they just didn’t use them is such large quantities before then.

  • Sponsor '17 '13 '11 '10

    @Yavid:

    I thought HBG would have been better to do the T-34/85 so the bigger the turrett the better

    Set # 2 !


  • KV-2s were devolped for fighting against Finland in the Winter War. T-34/76s were first encounted by the Germans in June '41 and the rocket launchers (spelling I can’t do without google) were encounted in July '41. The Soviet winter offensive of '41 was when German High Command had to admit the T-34 was better than anything German could field.

  • Customizer

    Just received my Soviet set and I love them! The only problem I have is that the two piece units such as tanks and the katyushas are glued in crooked. Not two noticeable on the tanks but the flat plane of the katyushas makes them really noticeable.
    My question is does anyone know of a solution I can use to dissolve the glue but not screw up the plastic and melt the units detail?

  • Sponsor '17 '13 '11 '10

    @Most:

    Just received my Soviet set and I love them! The only problem I have is that the two piece units such as tanks and the katyushas are glued in crooked. Not two noticeable on the tanks but the flat plane of the katyushas makes them really noticeable.
    My question is does anyone know of a solution I can use to dissolve the glue but not screw up the plastic and melt the units detail?

    On your next order let me know and we will replace the defective pieces. Sorry you had inferior pieces.

  • Customizer

    Don’t get me wrong, they look amazing. And I’m sure I can straighten them out. Just wonder if anyone has any advice.

  • '10

    My Soviet pieces arrived today as well. Shipping was so fast they almost got here before I ordered them. Also just in time for round four of our current game of 39 global scheduled for next thursday.

    IMAG0046.JPG


  • @knp7765:

    Well, the name for this set is “Russia: Early War” and the T-34/85 didn’t come out until mid to late war. All of the items in this set I believe are things that the Soviets had in their arsenal up until the Germans invaded them in June 1941.
    Some are a surprise to me, like the Katyusha and KV-2. I didn’t know they had those that early. I didn’t think they even had T-34/76s until late 41/early 42 during their first winter offensives against the Germans. Perhaps they did have them before, but they just didn’t use them is such large quantities before then.

    Yeah, actually the KV-2 is very much an early-war vehicle.  If you look at it closely, it is essentially a KV-1 with a turret that is twice as tall… which is essentially what it is.  It was designed to be an assault/ SP artillery version of the KV-1 (which, remember, had basically the same armament as the contemporary T-34/76.)  The idea of putting a howitzer in a big (rotating) turret on top of a standard tank chassis was similar to the British Bishop SP gun, with similar downsides: it did make an exceptional target, leading to the Soviets switching to the fixed-gun casemate concept for later Assault/ SP/ TD guns to give them a lower profile.  At long range, the disadvantage of having to turn the whole vehicle was minimized and at short range it was eventually decided that a lower profile was more important than the rotating turret. Â

    The T-34/76 was also a fairly early entrant into the war.  The Soviet 76 mm was a relatively low-velocity weapon, not much better than the oft-criticized US 75 mm tank gun; it was, however, perfectly adequate against anything up to a Panzer IV.  It was the German Panther and Tiger tanks that caused the Soviets to upgrade to 85 mm and the US (and UK) to upgrade to a higher-velocity 76 mm.  The Soviets just ran into Panthers in significant numbers earlier, and so were a step ahead of the Western powers in the tank gun/ armor race.  (Remember guys, diameter isn’t the whole story with tank guns; velocity is often far more important.  The Panther’s HV 75 mm was better than the Soviet 85 mm, and arguably just a good as the Tiger’s version of the 88 mm.)

  • Customizer

    @DrLarsen:

    (Remember guys, diameter isn’t the whole story with tank guns; velocity is often far more important. Â The Panther’s HV 75 mm was better than the Soviet 85 mm, and arguably just a good as the Tiger’s version of the 88 mm.)

    Oh yeah, I found out about that when reading up on the Type 97 Chi-Ha. The earlier models had a 57mm gun with a short barrel. Good enough for supporting infantry and pounding enemy positions, but not so good for slugging it out with enemy armor, which they found out the hard way against the Russians on the northern border of Manchuria. This caused Japan to come out with an “improved” Chi-Ha with a longer barreled 47mm high-velocity gun. While this did improve the Chi-Ha’s armor fighting ability, it was still generally outclassed by most Allied tank designs.
    At first I thought it was a mis-type. I thought “How can you go from 57mm to 47mm and call it an improvement?” Then I realized that even with the smaller size, the high velocity provides better armor piercing ability. That’s why there were some anti-tank guns that were as small as 37mm.


  • Yeah the Russian didn’t have anything to equal the 88mm till SU-122 and IS-2s became available. And even then German engineering was superior because to get the same effect the russian had to relay on sheer weight of the shell. Even more so with the SU-152


  • Hey HBG the Germans look awesome. How about a side angle shot so we can see the infantry and that glorious Tiger.

  • Liaison TripleA '11 '10

    Fish,

    Are those Coastal guns in that picture? In places like the Vladivostok and Phillipines?

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