@ABWorsham4 probably still scared the starving civilians , carrying rifles and 2 bullets each, half to death at the time though .
What if?
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Battle of Britain for sure. if Germany had of kept its SBR’s going against British industry and airfields, instead of swapping to terror raids on cities in retaliation to a bombing of Berlin, then the RAF would have been destroyed due to the fact that they would of had no time to recoup their fighter losses
by securing air supperiority, Germany could have forced England out of the war without ever setting foot on the country. the U-Boat peral was great, and the only real thing that scared the British (and Churchill) durring the war. starve England out, then secure the waters around her so America cannot assist later if they choose to join what was left of the Allies
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I would have to say #1 beacause I’m assuming that EEB is saying that there was no Pearl Harbor and no attack on any Duch or English colonies and only an attack on Russia. An attack on Russia would have been devestating in late 1941 early 42. Russia would’ve been forced to divert forces away from the Germans and the Russians bearly held the line against the Germans anyway.
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I would have to say #1 beacause I’m assuming that EEB is saying that there was no Pearl Harbor and no attack on any Duch or English colonies and only an attack on Russia. An attack on Russia would have been devestating in late 1941 early 42. Russia would’ve been forced to divert forces away from the Germans and the Russians bearly held the line against the Germans anyway.
I disagree, Japan did not have a mechanized enough army for crossing all of frozen Siberia and than making it to Moscow with any significant fighting force
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I’d say the battle of Brittan. I think had they Germans been able to push the U.K. over the tipping point, if it reached the point where the German rais were not always opposed i think it would have crushed Brittish resolve and ended the European war for several years until the Germans or Brittish got into it with the Soviets.
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Germany lose when Germany stop kill Royal Air Force and attack United Kingdom civilian. Kill Royal Air Force Germany stop flow of food and weapon to United Kingdom. Wait several month small invasion force with starve people mean United Kingdom quit war with no food to feed people. Germany offer food then, United Kingdom no more fight Germany.
United States not join war then. Russia fight Germany alone no hope.
Battle of Britain happen 18 month before Pearl Harbor. Make big difference in war if United Kingdom defeat before United States ever enter war.
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This is too Easy
Luftwaffe Wins Battle over Britain, Germany wins War.
If the UK has No Air Force, They will not Be able to Defend themselves Adaquetly (sp) enough.
The Royal Navy in the Atlantic would all but not exhist by the time Dec. 7th 1941 comes around.
So with No UK Airforce, Germany won’t need a Huge Navy to conduct Landings in the UK, it’s only 30 miles Away.
Germany Takes UK by the End of 40’ So now They Can Completly Concentrate on Russia, Without UK around, Japan and Germany can Fight Russia at same time, And America Hasn’t even entered the War yet.
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If Italy would have been up to the task (meaning, performing blitzkrieg and had updated equipment and blitzkrieg trained forces) as the Germans and won the previously battle against the balkan states, greeks and win in africa as well.
wow!
Germany would have been able to start their invasion as planned on russia and would be at home on christmas as promised as they used to say a lot.“forward comrads we have to go back”
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I think that if Germany sunk at least 700,000 tons of shipping per month, Britain would have surrendered.
I do not think Air Superiority would have won Germany such a victory; consider how long Germany lasted against massive aerial bombardment. Furthermore, Hitler would not have invaded England even if they had achieved air superiority as he was preoccupied with notions of Lebensraum.
I do not consider the sea war “The Battle of Britain” but rather “The Battle of the Atlantic” and thus do not believe winning the air war “Battle of Britain” would have greatly impacted the war.
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Yeah, Battle of Britain pre-dates all of those other options. IF Germany had won the air war, Britain would have been a sitting duck as most of its military equipment was left at Dunkirk retreating from France; there was talk in England of arming local citizens with hunting rifles in event of an invasion. If Britain had been knocked out of the war early on there would have been no El Almein, D-Day, hell most of that stuff wouldn’t have happened/been necessary. Not sure if USA would have had the political will/means necessary to liberate Britain by the end of 1940/beginning of 1941 either.
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Hell, though, I HAVE lost a game to Allied players where I pulled off a successful Sealion as Germany round 2… So I guess America probably could liberate Britain and turn it around…
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Hell, though, I HAVE lost a game to Allied players where I pulled off a successful Sealion as Germany round 2… So I guess America probably could liberate Britain and turn it around…
I got UK capital on turn two with Germans due to oversight on the Allies. They retook it and actually I was pretty much screwed because I lost so much in taking it….but luckily I was playing AARe and took the requisite additional VCs with Japan and sub stalled the US from taking Hawaii back, so I won. Close though.
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Yeah, Battle of Britain pre-dates all of those other options. IF Germany had won the air war, Britain would have been a sitting duck as most of its military equipment was left at Dunkirk retreating from France; there was talk in England of arming local citizens with hunting rifles in event of an invasion. If Britain had been knocked out of the war early on there would have been no El Almein, D-Day, hell most of that stuff wouldn’t have happened/been necessary. Not sure if USA would have had the political will/means necessary to liberate Britain by the end of 1940/beginning of 1941 either.
[/quoteYou forget about the Royal Navy and the fact that Germany had no navy up to the task of protecting an invasion fleet. A large part of the German Navy was lost or damaged in taking Norway.
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You forget about the Royal Navy and the fact that Germany had no navy up to the task of protecting an invasion fleet. A large part of the German Navy was lost or damaged in taking Norway
Germany had bombers and definitely paratroopers which could have filled some of the holes missing from a naval invasion, especially if they were only facing civilians and a just broken army recovering from Dunkirk which had lost most of its equipment. They would have needed an invasion fleet eventually to finish the job, but more importantly Germany missed out on quite a few opportunities to expand its navy for free. Germany really screwed up finishing France off; they virtually lost the entire French fleet at port in Algeria, a British raid destroyed it at port (Mers-el-Kebir) before the Axis could get anything out of it during the surrender negotiations. The remainder of the French fleet at Toulon wasn’t touchable until 1942 when Germany invaded Vichy France, and then it got scuttled. Spain was also a blunder in that Germany and Italy couldn’t get Franco to invade Gibraltar, if he had been persuaded to do so, Italy might have been able to get its fleet out of the Med. The Italian fleet was so bogged down fighting the Brits in the Med it couldn’t be available to help conduct Sealion; if things had been coordinated correctly, BOTH the Italian and the majority of the French fleets could have been used IN ADDITION with whatever the Germans had left to invade Britain.
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The British fleet didn’t bother to show up when they needed to get the BEF and french out at Dunkirk.
Why is their any indication that if the Germans invaded from the same place, that the British would have done anything to stop it?
The Germans with 4:1 air superiority could not come close to sinking fishing boats and tugboats ferrying wounded men. Once the Germans cross to Dover in real ships the British would have no answer and would chew up their air forces in short order and her pilots would be landing in the sea, rather than parachuting on a farm to be reused latter.
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Japan would have lost to the Russians just like they did in 39, but even wose they would not be able to capture any of the raw materials they needed to not be a third world country in 3 years.
Italy would have mismanaged her conquests and arab subjects similiar to the turks so although it may have threaghted baku aswell as allied supplies to Russia is would have not been a big a deal as it would have been under competent leadership that the Italians did not have.
Japan winning a major victory at Midway would have severly hurt American efforts, although it might have down well for american propaganda as they could easly paint it as a defensive battle and could rally more support for the cause. Also since it is a naval battle there would have been less causalties so it would have less of a political factor.
The Germans would have messed up sealion even if they had air supeirority, there are not so many beaches in engalnd and the engalnd would have a sizible force fighting for there homeland and being backed by the US that could bottleneck the Germans on the beaches. Plus they still have naval suppeiority.
Losing D-day would have been devistating, espeacialy if it was a long battle and their were tons of British and American causaulties. I get the sence some Americans were already tired of the war and losing so many men would have just incouraged the anti-war camp. It would have been painted as just another european conflict like WW1.
Or anti war groups might say Japan was the right war and Germany was just a distraction, (to draw a paralel to Afgahnistan and Iraq today, ) -
The war was already decided before D-Day, so I wouldn’t include that one.
The Battle of Britian was obviously decisive. Actually I think Japan attacking USSR would have been a big deal too, specifically if it had kept the USA out of the war a little longer.
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right. anything from summer 1942 and latter is not really a ‘what if’, unless your just thinking about making the war longer. The result is the same.
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@Imperious:
right. anything from summer 1942 and latter is not really a ‘what if’, unless your just thinking about making the war longer. The result is the same.
But at this stage Hitler should have realized it wAS A LONG SHOT TO WIN THE WAR. Hitler should have sent all her resources on Super Subs. :roll: That way they could take full advantage of their Wolfpack NA. :evil: :roll:
Sorry, Hijacked
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@Imperious:
The British fleet didn’t bother to show up when they needed to get the BEF and french out at Dunkirk.
Why is their any indication that if the Germans invaded from the same place, that the British would have done anything to stop it?
The Germans with 4:1 air superiority could not come close to sinking fishing boats and tugboats ferrying wounded men. Once the Germans cross to Dover in real ships the British would have no answer and would chew up their air forces in short order and her pilots would be landing in the sea, rather than parachuting on a farm to be reused latter.
IL that is actually not quite true…the Britian had allready start working on some fortifications, flametowerbunker,mines, deathtraps and so on…The UK was very aware that a possible Invasion could occur…nevertheless
Hitler decided not to Invade for some reason.
It is mentioned that he felt sympathy for England and on the other hand the space in the East was his ultimate and primary goal…why he started to get ready for the amphibious assault and suddenly changed his mind is better to understand from his political intrest point of view like other decissions he made during the whole east campagne…I have even the Opinion that to conquer and hold a territory like the UK and going on a warfare w. an even bigger enemy and landmass would not be wisley, it is rather force and resource consuming…and that the war was lost in 1942 ,I don’t share that opinion that much either based on If other choices would have been made it could look like a lot diffrent than the actual outcome…Greek, the Balkan and africa were always a sidekick Theatre to him, this is why the supplys for africa felt so short because it had less priority… -
I meant to stop the invasion in the sea by using their home fleet. If they could not bring it to ferry the BEF and french 20 miles, then how and why does everyone fear the fleet in the channel fighting the Germans.
I feel that the Luftwaffe would be able to protect the invasion.
as far as the landing on the beaches at Dover and Ramgate…the fortifications were nothing compared to what the Allies faced at D-Day. right?
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