Revised Global 1940: New Setup



  • What about using search roll option for all naval combat?



  • If I would like to start the game earlier, and invade Poland. What would be right ratio/forces for Poland? 4-5 Infantry, 1 Artillery and 1 Fighter?

    Poland must be separte in two part. (You can also had warsaw as a capital city).
    Poland had 39 divisions, 11 brigades of cavalry (Almost all still has horse) and 700 airplanes.  
    Western poland = 4 inf. + 1 fig. + 1 armored VH.
    Eastern poland = 3 inf.



  • What about using search roll option for all naval combat?
    Me and my friends used air search patrol for years now.
    2 or less. If you don’t find the fleet the attack is cancelled.

    A few years ago, my friend didn’t succeed to find my fleet with 8 airplanes!
    Too bad, my fleet was in inferiority!
    The attack was cancelled and during my turn I found his fleet and I destroyed it.
    The battle looked like Midway!



  • @crusaderiv:

    What about using search roll option for all naval combat?
    Me and my friends used air search patrol for years now.
    2 or less. If you don’t find the fleet the attack is cancelled.

    A few years ago, my friend didn’t succeed to find my fleet with 8 airplanes!
    Too bad, my fleet was in inferiority!
    The attack was cancelled and during my turn I found his fleet and I destroyed it.
    The battle looked like Midway!

    Thats what im talking about!!! The dice are everything to the game. I wish i could see your friends face when you sunk his fleet. awesome. I love the fact that even thou i am an experienced player, the possibility exsists that less experienced  player can kick my ass if i rool crummy dice.


  • 2017 '16 '15 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10

    Thats not the goal of Revised Global 40. The only changes will be minor and to give the player more options.

    Naval search is not a ‘fix’ of a glaring problem with G40. The setup and a few others things are. The goal is to repair the setup, make the AB and NB a bit more specialized, and fix techs, neutrality issues, and perhaps lend lease.

    Not reinventing the wheel here.


  • Sponsor 2017 '13 '11 '10

    I agree with IL on his thinking of this.
    I like the numbers you came up with.
    Regarding the Soviet and Italian subs, they should be coastal only, Russia did not have ocean going subs.
    (good house rule)


  • 2017 '16 '15 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10

    The set up has them on coasts, but again though your correct again we are faced with making special rules for the same pieces for different nations. This id like to get away with because the marginal advocate of realism is not paying off in the “fun factor” department. Russian players may want to move them out of harms way and that rule will make the sitting ducks.

    You can make it a special rule just for Soviets and Italian subs but for most players that is not the way to do it. Their are many other unrealistic ideas in this game and its very hard to fix everything. Rather lets just worry about the really ridiculous ideas and fix them.


  • Sponsor 2017 '13 '11 '10

    @Imperious:

    The set up has them on coasts, but again though your correct again we are faced with making special rules for the same pieces for different nations. This id like to get away with because the marginal advocate of realism is not paying off in the “fun factor” department. Russian players may want to move them out of harms way and that rule will make the sitting ducks.

    You can make it a special rule just for Soviets and Italian subs but for most players that is not the way to do it. Their are many other unrealistic ideas in this game and its very hard to fix everything. Rather lets just worry about the really ridiculous ideas and fix them.

    Agreed!


  • 2017 '16 '15 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10

    After many days of research a June 1940 start date has the following forces:

    Revised Global 1940 setup: Pacific 1940

    JAPAN
    Japan: 2 Infantry, 1 Bomber
    Manchuria: 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Mechanized, 1 Fighter, 1 Bomber
    Jehol: 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery,1 Fighter, 1 Tactical Bomber, 1 Bomber
    Shantung: 2 Infantry
    Kiangsu: 2 Infantry
    Kiangsi: 2 Infantry
    Kwangsi: 1 Infantry
    Siam: 2 Infantry
    Sea Zone 6 (off Japan): 3 Battleships, 2 Carriers, 2 Cruisers, 2 Destroyers, 1 Transport, 2 Fighters, 2 Tactical Bombers
    Sea Zone 17: 1 Submarine
    Sea Zone 19: 1 Destroyer, 1 Transport
    Sea Zone 20: 1 Destroyer, 1 Transport
    Sea Zone 22: 1 Submarine
    Sea Zone 36: 1 Carrier, 1 Cruiser, 1 Destroyer, 1 Submarine, 1 Fighter, 1 Tactical Bomber

    United Kingdom
    India: 2 Infantry, 1 Tank
    Burma: 1 Infantry
    Malaya: 2 Infantry
    Sea Zone 39 (Ceylon): 1 Cruiser, 2 Destroyers, 2 Transports
    Sea Zone 37: 1 Battleship, 1 Cruiser, 1 Destroyer, 1 Transport
    Sea Zone 42: 1 Submarine
    Sea Zone 43: 1 Destroyer, 1 Transport

    Note: the Balance of the armed forces for AAE40
    BEF 1 inf, 1 art, 1 Mech
    Africa: 1 Inf, 2 mech, 1 art
    Canada: 1 inf, 1 DD, 1 AP
    UK: 1 inf, 1 art, 1 mech, 1 tank, 2 fighters, 2 bombers
    Gibralter: 1 BB, 1 CV, 1 SS 1 AP, 1 Tactical bomber
    Scapa Flow: 3 BB, 2 CA, 1 DD, 1 AP
    Misc: 5 DD, 5 AP

    ANZAC
    New Guinea: 1 Infantry
    Queensland: 1 Infantry, 1 Artillery
    New South Wales: 1 Tank, 1 Fighter
    Western Australia: 1 Mechanized
    Sea Zone 54: 1 Destroyer
    Sea Zone 62: 1 Transport

    Dutch
    Sea Zone 41: 1 Destroyer

    CHINA
    Chahar: 2 Infantry
    Hopei: 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery
    Anhwe: 2 Infantry
    Human: 2 Infantry
    Yunnan: 3 infantry, 1 Fighter

    United States
    Western United States: 2 Infantry, 1 Fighter, 1Bomber
    Sea Zone 10 (San Diego): 1 Battleship, 1 Cruiser, 1 Destroyer, 1 Transport
    Sea Zone 12: 1 Carrier, 1 Cruiser, 1 Destroyer, 1 Fighter, 1 Tactical Bomber
    Sea Zone 14: 1 Submarine
    Sea Zone 25: 1 Submarine
    Hawaii: 1 Infantry, 1 Tactical Bomber,
    Sea Zone 26 (Honolulu): 2 Battleships, 1 Cruiser, 1 Destroyer, 1 Transport
    Philippines: 1 Infantry
    Sea Zone 35: 1 Destroyer, 1 Transport

    Note: Balance of US armed forces for AAE40 map:
    1 BB, 1 CV, 1 CA, 1 DD, 1 AP, 1 SS, 1 Fighter, 1 Tactical bomber, 1 Bomber, 1 Tank, 1 Artillery

    Soviet Union: ( global)
    Amur: 6 infantry, 2 artillery, 2 Mechanized, 1 Tank, 1 Fighter
    Sea Zone 5: 1 Submarine, 1 Transport

    Note: i have not yet fixed the Factories, naval ports or air bases



  • @Imperious:

    After many days of research a June 1940 start date has the following forces:

    Revised Global 1940 setup: Pacific 1940

    JAPAN
    Japan: 2 Infantry, 1 Bomber
    Manchuria: 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Mechanized, 1 Fighter, 1 Bomber
    Jehol: 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery,1 Fighter, 1 Tactical Bomber, 1 Bomber
    Shantung: 2 Infantry
    Kiangsu: 2 Infantry
    Kiangsi: 2 Infantry
    Kwangsi: 1 Infantry
    Siam: 2 Infantry
    Sea Zone 6 (off Japan): 3 Battleships, 2 Carriers, 2 Cruisers, 2 Destroyers, 1 Transport, 2 Fighters, 2 Tactical Bombers
    Sea Zone 17: 1 Submarine
    Sea Zone 19: 1 Destroyer, 1 Transport
    Sea Zone 20: 1 Destroyer, 1 Transport
    Sea Zone 22: 1 Submarine
    Sea Zone 36: 1 Carrier, 1 Cruiser, 1 Destroyer, 1 Submarine, 1 Fighter, 1 Tactical Bomber

    United Kingdom
    India: 2 Infantry, 1 Tank
    Burma: 1 Infantry
    Malaya: 2 Infantry
    Sea Zone 39 (Ceylon): 1 Cruiser, 2 Destroyers, 2 Transports
    Sea Zone 37: 1 Battleship, 1 Cruiser, 1 Destroyer, 1 Transport
    Sea Zone 42: 1 Submarine
    Sea Zone 43: 1 Destroyer, 1 Transport

    Note: the Balance of the armed forces for AAE40
    BEF 1 inf, 1 art, 1 Mech
    Africa: 1 Inf, 2 mech, 1 art
    Canada: 1 inf, 1 DD, 1 AP
    UK: 1 inf, 1 art, 1 mech, 1 tank, 2 fighters, 2 bombers
    Gibralter: 1 BB, 1 CV, 1 SS 1 AP, 1 Tactical bomber
    Scapa Flow: 3 BB, 2 CA, 1 DD, 1 AP
    Misc: 5 DD, 5 AP

    ANZAC
    New Guinea: 1 Infantry
    Queensland: 1 Infantry, 1 Artillery
    New South Wales: 1 Tank, 1 Fighter
    Western Australia: 1 Mechanized
    Sea Zone 54: 1 Destroyer
    Sea Zone 62: 1 Transport

    Dutch
    Sea Zone 41: 1 Destroyer

    CHINA
    Chahar: 2 Infantry
    Hopei: 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery
    Anhwe: 2 Infantry
    Human: 2 Infantry
    Yunnan: 3 infantry, 1 Fighter

    United States
    Western United States: 2 Infantry, 1 Fighter, 1Bomber
    Sea Zone 10 (San Diego): 1 Battleship, 1 Cruiser, 1 Destroyer, 1 Transport
    Sea Zone 12: 1 Carrier, 1 Cruiser, 1 Destroyer, 1 Fighter, 1 Tactical Bomber
    Sea Zone 14: 1 Submarine
    Sea Zone 25: 1 Submarine
    Hawaii: 1 Infantry, 1 Tactical Bomber,
    Sea Zone 26 (Honolulu): 2 Battleships, 1 Cruiser, 1 Destroyer, 1 Transport
    Philippines: 1 Infantry
    Sea Zone 35: 1 Destroyer, 1 Transport

    Note: Balance of US armed forces for AAE40 map:
    1 BB, 1 CV, 1 CA, 1 DD, 1 AP, 1 SS, 1 Fighter, 1 Tactical bomber, 1 Bomber, 1 Tank, 1 Artillery

    Soviet Union: ( global)
    Amur: 6 infantry, 2 artillery, 2 Mechanized, 1 Tank, 1 Fighter
    Sea Zone 5: 1 Submarine, 1 Transport

    Is this balanced?


  • 2017 '16 '15 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10

    Right now its just accurate.

    And being accurate a J1 attack against UK and USA is largely solved because Japan at this time was mostly confined to home waters with a small detachment in south china sea.

    The setup has been scrutinized with many various sources and the forces are accurate

    In further rules that are being developed, Japan will have some special rules:

    UK and/or USA land units are defending at 1 on turn 1

    Japanese destroyers can carry one infantry

    On the first turn of Japans attack against UK/ USA all attacks against Naval ports are considered ‘automatic surprise attack’. See my thread on Revised global movement concept

    Add these special rules for ports and air bases

    Japan may have some special attack bonus for Tactical bombers ( just her starting ones) to simulate her much better skilled pilots ( The original design mistook quality for quantity in an effort to compensate. I think it may be simply: each tactical bomber used against naval gets to reroll hits and this is only for her starting Tac bombers.

    US economy will reflect a more realistic wartime development

    US and UK naval forces may have some ‘frozen’ movement status till at war with Japan ( this way US can’t just pull everything to Europe or make one big stack off west coast and invalidate Japanese bonus.



  • IL, you wrote “Japanese transports can carry 1 inf.” ? do you mean “destroyer or Cruiser”? or is this correct?


  • 2017 '16 '15 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10

    Japanese destroyers can carry one infantry.

    typo.


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