Number 4 from the top is Soviet Marshal Aleksandr Vasilevsky.
Windows 8
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I know “you” didn’t say these things, but I felt compelled to respond. And no, I don’t have Win 8 myself, actually everything I have is Apple (all gifts), except for my work computer (Win7)
@Uncrustable:
1. Metro, aka Modern: An ugly, useless interface.
I said it before, I’ll say it again: Metro, or whatever you want to call it, may make an OK tablet interface, but it’s ugly and useless on the desktop. It requires users to forget everything they ever learned about Windows and learn an entirely new way of doing things for no real reason. To quote a popularly held opinion, Metro is “awful.”True, you can use a more traditional Windows interface, but you know what would have been a lot better? If Microsoft had just kept the Windows 7 Aero interface for the desktop version of Windows 8 and give up this idea that the Metro touch-friendly interface is for every device.
I completely disagree…it’s sleeker to me. It’s also not useless if you take all of 30 seconds to see what’s changed. Sure, I missed the start menu, but in 30 minutes I was used to it. Also, SP1 will reinstate the Start menu, so there you go.
2. Windows 8 brought nothing innovative to the desktop.
Can you tell me one new thing that Windows 8 brought to the desktop that was truly innovative? Exciting? Engaging? I can’t. Windows 8 is faster than Windows 7, but that’s about it – and that dual interface mess makes it slower for practical purposes.I’m not sure I can think of much as far as innovation goes, except the entire concept of a single OS for all devices. It doesn’t need to be innovative. Saying that all you can see is that it’s faster than previous incarnations shows how little you know about it. It has more features, supports more (new) tech standards (USB 3.0, for example), more secure, and more adaptable.
3. Developers hate it.
I said all along programmers wouldn’t like throwing out their hard-won .NET, Windows Communication Foundation (WCF) and Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF) expertise to work natively on Windows 8. I was right. Gabe Newell, co-founder and managing director of video game company Valve, said it best: “Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space.” He then started moving his Steam game empire to Linux.First, there is so much misinformation, you can almost completely ignore this message. Let’s just focus on the quote and following statement to Gabe Newell.
Steam didn’t move to Linux, it added support for Linux - an announcement made BEFORE his dumb quote. There is no developing issue for the platform. What Gabe and others complained about was the centralized Windows Store, and how it was closer to what Apple and Android do than what used to be - not the OS itself (and no one complains about those setups). Additionally, Gabe then announced the Steam Box, a Steam PC, so changes in Win 8 affect his bottom line, so that’s why he’s complaining. Not anything to do with the OS as a whole.4. Legacy Windows 7 users aren’t moving.
We saw this happen before with Vista and XP. Then, as now, the new operating system – Vista – was not better than the old operating system – XP – so very few people moved to it. We’re seeing it again now.This is so dumb it doesn’t really deserve an answer, but here goes. This is how it always goes for any Win release, probably for any OS. Win8 is on a better pace than Win7 for % of users at the 6 month period, even though Vista was crap. Why? Because most stayed on XP. Completely negates everything said here. BTW, XP still has 20% of the Win OS market an OS that’s almost 13 YEARS OLD (Vista never even had 20% of the market).
In addition, in an economy that’s still not moving forward quickly, who really wants to move from tried-and-true Windows 7 to new, expensive Windows 8 PCs? As Sterne Agee analyst Shaw Wu observed, the $500 to $1200 price tags slapped on Windows 8 hardware makes it “uncompetitive” in a world where people want iPads and Android tablets.
How is the price point on hardware Microsoft’s fault? Do you blame Ford for gas prices too? So stupid. It’s also comparing Win8 computers, All-in-ones and laptops prices to tablets (btw, Win8 tablets are no more expensive than iPads, often less so). We compare Apples to Apples, not Apples to watermelons.
5. Tablet, smartphone, and desktop compe tition.
If you are going to buy a new computing device in 2013, chances are it’s going to be an Apple iPad, an inexpensive Android tablet, or a Chromebook. The PC desktop isn’t dead, but it’s not very profitable either – and Windows 8 isn’t helping PC sales.Microsoft has to know this. If Microsoft does indeed start selling, or rather renting, Microsoft Office for iPad, you’ll know they’ve seen the light. Microsoft’s future then will not lie in operating system and application sales, but in services.
And Windows 8? Like Vista before it, Microsoft will re-release an older version of Windows, Windows 7 this time instead of XP, and start talking about wonderful Windows Blue, the next version of Windows, will be."
PC sales have declined far earlier than since Win 8 was released (and actually loss of sales has decreased since then), this is just the fact that mobile devices are popular. Most people don’t need a PC, and with the advent of more powerful phones, they don’t even bother with a tablet. It’s just redundant. But the PC still has its uses for the time being. And yes, why buy a PC when a mobile device can do everything you need AND you can take it with you. This is a no brainer and has nothing to do with Win8. Furthermore, Win8 was released to capture some of this market, so it was a wise move on their part. You won’t see a rerelease of Win7. It’s still available for purchase, why in the hell would it be rereleased? I’m not sure what services are referring to. MS does OS and Apps, primarily. Releasing Office for the iPad (which probably won’t happen at least for a while because it encourages sales of Win8 as an exclusive - although I disagree with this view, it’s a valid argument) is in fact, profiting from Application sales. It’s not a service.
Honestly there is nothing better to say than windows 8 is the worse piece of horse manure to ever have been created. Linux here is your chance to shine
The retards over at Microsoft are simply mind boggling drunken raging lunaticsI hope they all get fired, morons
Well, it’s not, but ok. I think when it comes to just Win OSes, Vista, Win ME, and Win 3.X (although good for its time) are all far, far, worse. Linux already shines, but the mass market isn’t going to delve into anything Unix-based besides Apple. That’s a done deal, won’t happen - too complicated for them.
Win 8 gives me a nice medium of a stable platform that I can readily work in and configure without being restricted by an OS and hardware standard like Apple.
Although I’m very tempted to get a ChromeBook.
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@Uncrustable:
Here’s a great quote
"A desktop OS for tablets and a tablet OS for desktops, Windows 8 is guaranteed to disappoint nearly everyoneFrom the user’s standpoint, Windows 8 is a failure – an awkward mishmash that pulls the user in two directions at once. Users attracted to the new touch-friendly Metro GUI will dislike the old touch-hostile desktop underneath. By the same token, users who rely on the traditional Windows desktop will dislike having to navigate Metro to find settings and apps they intuitively locate in Windows 7. Microsoft has moved the cheese."
Oh and let’s not forget there isn’t a start button lol
After 20 years its goneThey’ll modify things a bit, but to me this just speaks to how dumb the users are. They spend 0 time getting to know the OS and expect it to be the exact same. It’s a tool, learn to use it. Not many can jump in and do fine from the start…unless you’re me.
And the complaint about the start button…give me a break. It’s like complaining that a new car with keyless entry and keyless ignition doesn’t have a freaking key to operate.
If you can’t go to the start menu by bringing up the charm bar and hitting start (by either touching or mousing the right side of the screen, OR hitting WIN key + c) OR SIMPLY HITTING THE WINDOWS KEY ITSELF, I seriously feel sorry for you.
This has got to be the biggest gripe over the simplest non-issue I’ve ever seen.
Ok, I’m done.
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Well of course if your an apple user you will love win8 lol
you were probably defending vista too :-Pbut as far as long time pc users are concerned, win8 is crap
we have to completely forget 2 decades of pc/windows knowledge and hop over to apple’ish computingand as far as raw numbers are concerned win8 is actually doing worse (far worse) at this point than did vista at the same point
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Pretty sure there won’t be an AOL app for Win8, unlike Win95 in that pic.
Well,
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My girlfriend tried to use my new PC with win8 last night to do some school stuff, lol after 20mins of fumbling around to no avail she asked me what in the f*** kind of computer I bought and gave up
I can’t wait til I get win7 on it so I can use it without getting a massive headache
I finally got java installed on it last night so I could catch up on some one GTO games, IE10 for win8 is equally as worthless and frustrating. Chrome works tho thank God -
@Uncrustable:
Well of course if your an apple user you will love win8 lol
you were probably defending vista too :-Pbut as far as long time pc users are concerned, win8 is crap
we have to completely forget 2 decades of pc/windows knowledge and hop over to apple’ish computingand as far as raw numbers are concerned win8 is actually doing worse (far worse) at this point than did vista at the same point
Barely used Vista, and I have my complaints with Win and iOS, but nothing like you’ll see here.
Even though PC sales are down in general, Win8 is on a better pace than Vista, and a slightly better pace than Win7.
The only thing it has in common with iOS is the touch screen function. I’m not sure how you get around the fundamental nature of those devices. If you do, you might look into it as it would probably make some cash.
So which is it? Is it exactly the same as before, or is it useless because it is completely different? It can not be both.
@Uncrustable:
My girlfriend tried to use my new PC with win8 last night to do some school stuff, lol after 20mins of fumbling around to no avail she asked me what in the f*** kind of computer I bought and gave up
I can’t wait til I get win7 on it so I can use it without getting a massive headache
I finally got java installed on it last night so I could catch up on some one GTO games, IE10 for win8 is equally as worthless and frustrating. Chrome works tho thank GodI don’t get it. Why fumble around for 20 minutes? Why take so much time to complain. Go learn the system!
Tell me - do you invest hundreds of dollars into anything else without taking any time to familiarize yourself with it.
This sounds more like user error than system inability.
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Honestly this is a matter of opinion. If you like it and enjoy using it then more power to you.
But I’d like to know from what source you get that win8 is doing better than 7, because that is a flat lie lol
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@Uncrustable:
Honestly this is a matter of opinion. If you like it and enjoy using it then more power to you.
But I’d like to know from what source you get that win8 is doing better than 7, because that is a flat lie lol
It is already down to nearly the 10million mark at 6 months, 7 never dropped below 20millionIt has sold 100 million licenses in 6 months. 10 million is outright wrong.
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You misread
It’s at the 10 million mark in the 6th month
That is it only sold just just over 10 million in month #6
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@Uncrustable:
You misread
It’s at the 10 million mark in the 6th month
That is it only sold just just over 10 million in month #6
7 never dropped below 20No, you miswrote.
Win8 sales at 6 months is on par with Win7 sales at 6 months.
But I’ve already gone over how the market has changed, this is more a symptom of mobile computing and Apple domination in that category, which started before Win8 was ever released. However, both Win8 and Win7 have increasing market share while XP and Vista are declining. -
Lets look at some numbers jermo,
The PC market has suffered its biggest decline on record, with first quarter shipments dropping 14% since the same time last year. This unprecedented decline casts a very ominous light on the PC industry, which had hoped that Windows 8 would bolster sales — but instead, Microsoft’s new OS is a major factor in the most precipitous decline in history.
These figures come from IDC, which has been tracking PC shipments since 1994. Shipments (not sales, which were probably lower) of PCs in the first quarter of 2013 totaled 76.3 million, down 13.9% from the first quarter of 2012. Gartner, which has a slightly different definition of “PC,” pegged the decline at 11%. Among the individual PC makers, every OEM except Lenovo experienced a decline in shipments. HP’s PC department, which has been flagging for some time, experienced a huge drop of 24% compared to the same time last year.Vista, universally acknowledged as a failure, actually had significantly better adoption numbers than Windows 8. At similar points in their roll-outs, Vista had a desktop market share of 4.52% compared to Windows 8’s share of 2.67%
on the desktop, Windows 7 still ranks as the top operating system with 44.85-percent of all PC users, followed by the still popular Windows XP with 37.74-percent. Vista—yes the never-loved Vista—comes in at third with 4.51 percent. Despite the fact that finding and buying Windows 7 PCs has become increasingly more expensive and difficult, just try finding one in a retail store, Windows 8 share is growing but still comes in last at 4.27 percent.
Worse still, Windows 8’s month-over-month growth rate is lagging further and further behind Vista’s dreadful 2007 adoption numbers. When comparing the operating systems when they were first launched, Windows 8’s adoption rate in its first month trailed Vista by just over half-a-percent among PC buyers. Now, in their 8th month out, Vista’s market-share numbers now lead Windows 8 by 3.64 percent. Needless to say, both lag far behind XP and Windows 7’s numbers at similar points in their product life-cycle. -
With the exception of the Xbox, Microsoft has been on a string of high-profile failures like Zune, Windows Phone, and Surface tablets. But its latest cock-up, the much-reviled Windows 8 operating system may have been the final straw for lots of Windows-based PC users, at least according to those who make the computers.
ZDnet’s Adrian Kingsley-Hughes writes today it’s been so bad that an upcoming Windows 8 update might actually be a U-turn to the interface that Windows users are accustomed to.
He also says that original equipment manufacturers (OEMs) have been hurt by the drastic switch to Windows 8.
Some manufacturers like Samsung and Lenovo have taken actions — such as adding a Start button replacement — that openly address complaints from consumers about Windows 8. While others, like the CEO of Asus, have been more open about their displeasure, publicly stating that “demand for Windows 8 is not that good right now.”
But there are those with even harsher views of Windows 8. Kingsley-Hughes writes that “Privately, one OEM source told me that Microsoft is ‘destroying’ the PC industry, while another claimed that Windows 8 has ‘handed over millions of customers to Apple.’”
This is a delicate time for Microsoft in the consumer world, as more people do their e-mailing and web-browsing from smartphones, tablets, or other connected devices that don’t use a Windows OS. Meanhile, both Google and Apple continue to dominate the mobile OS market — in addition to the hardware sold by both companies.
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I prefer windows 9
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@Imperious:
I prefer windows 9
If that is Windows 9, im sticking with 7 again.
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I just bought the Alienware x51 with Win 8.
I have to say, Win 8 was confusing and pissed me off.
at first.
but now, I really like it. Switching from the tablet screen and the desktop is extremely easy.
Missing the start bar? put your mouse in the top right or bottom right of the screen. Bam, there you go. problem solved. Everything is consolidated where it makes sense to be.
I look at the different desktops as having their strengths and weaknesses. If I need to do file management, installations, etc… the old desktop is better.
If I want to quickly get to entertainment or personal things like videos/games/music/anything internet related, the Apps desktop is superior.
It took me all of an hour to become familiar with it to the point of confidently and quickly navigating anywhere on the OS.
I am what some would call “computer illiterate” and I have a healthy mistrust of technology. If I can do it, so can you.
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Last weekend I needed a cheapy computer for something in a hurry so I ran out to Walmart and grabbed the standard $400 laptop, forgetting all about the Windows 8 rumours I’ve heard. Sure enough, the poor thing was infected with Windows 8 and I couldn;t make heads nor tails of it. So I took it back to the store and claimed the OS is unusable and therefore defective and the kid working there agreed with me and gave me a refund. :-D
Windows 8 is garbage. Macs are toys. These things are not really meant for people who actually use computers as tools to do their work and earn a living. If you want a tablet or a phone, then buy a tablet or a phone and go play with it. If you want a computer to do your work, then I guess you need to get a used one with windows 7 or XP, or be a complete tool and pay an extra $99 for Windows 7. What a bunch of sh!t. If they keep this up I’m going to Linux.
And another thing, Openoffice or Libreoffice is 110% better than microsoft office and its free.
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Macs are not meant for people who work? Maybe if you do software development…… But windows 8 does suck. Macs have the highest user satisfaction rating of any computer. I of course use a PC…
I hate that microsoft keeps changing where to find things. Memories of using 6 other MS versions doesn’t help.
Agreed on Openoffice, I use it.
Windows sales are based on unit shipments. If you get a pc with windows 8 and downgrade it to win7 for your corporation standards, it still counts as a windows 8 sale even if the license is NEVER activated.
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yes i believe anyone that purchases windows 8 can downgrade?
this is the only reason the sales show a decent numberbut if you look at user% it is the worst windows ever…even vista blows it out of the water and that is just sad. xp and 7 are both used nearly 3x as much as 8
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Windows sales are based on unit shipments. If you get a pc with windows 8 and downgrade it to win7 for your corporation standards, it still counts as a windows 8 sale even if the license is NEVER activated.
Oh brother. I wonder if anyone at microsoft is keeping track of how many people downgrade! I think as of the spring you had to buy the windows 7 disc to downgrade but they might have changed that since then. It should be free obviously.
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