• Yes they did. Many times :roll:

    IN 1814 The Russians, Prussians, Austrians
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Paris_(1814)

    IN 1870 France started another war and got stuffed by Germany after a short siege on Paris it fell as usual…
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Prussian_War

    in 1348 or something the Plague took over Paris

    and finally the Rats also captured Paris at least once in the early 1830’s and one other time ( forgot the date)

    Another invasion is coming soon provided we get adequate support from street cafes.
    http://news.scotsman.com/world/Rats-love-Paris-in-the.4044192.jp

    If Gordan Ramsay has any say about it it may get repelled because he will most likely do something about the problem.


  • also law firms have invaded Paris
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/25/business/25lawyers.html?pagewanted=print

    rugby fans took over Paris
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1566771/English-rugby-fans-invade-Paris.html

    vikings took paris
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Paris_(885-886)

    I think Mexico is the only thing that didn’t invade Paris.


  • @Imperious:

    Yes they did. Many times :roll:

    IN 1814 The Russians, Prussians, Austrians
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Paris_(1814)

    IN 1870 France started another war and got stuffed by Germany after a short siege on Paris it fell as usual…
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Prussian_War

    in 1348 or something the Plague took over Paris

    and finally the Rats also captured Paris at least once in the early 1830’s and one other time ( forgot the date)

    Another invasion is coming soon provided we get adequate support from street cafes.
    http://news.scotsman.com/world/Rats-love-Paris-in-the.4044192.jp

    If Gordan Ramsay has any say about it it may get repelled because he will most likely do something about the problem.

    The modern nation of Germany failed in WW1 and succeeded in WW2.

    With all this invading there must be something to love.


  • @Jermofoot:

    With all this invading there must be something to love.

    Maybe for, “…the warm summer breezes and the french wine and cheeses…”

    I understand many go there for answers to questions that bother them so.


  • With all this invading there must be something to love.

    I think in the case of Paris these represent just normal military training exercises used to train green troops, so they take on the easiest job possible so as not to hurt anybody….taking paris.

    Its like what they call “level one” in any arcade game

  • '11

    Another sweet piece of history found. I wonder what they’ll dig up next? Do you know if they got it running? Or are they in the process of repairing it? I would love to see one of those old tanks/tank destroyers in action.


  • @frimmel:

    @Jermofoot:

    With all this invading there must be something to love.

    Maybe for, “…the warm summer breezes and the french wine and cheeses…”

    I understand many go there for answers to questions that bother them so.

    I don’t think the Left Bank is what it used to be, but yeah, the weather, wine and cheese were all fine.  And pastries…and the beer (so much better)…and views…and the women…oh god the women.

    @Imperious:

    With all this invading there must be something to love.

    I think in the case of Paris these represent just normal military training exercises used to train green troops, so they take on the easiest job possible so as not to hurt anybody….taking paris.

    Its like what they call “level one” in any arcade game

    Despite what you say the French have a history of military success, and have defended Paris on multiple occasions.  But Ukraine is weak and game to me.

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    @Antholin:

    Another sweet piece of history found. I wonder what they’ll dig up next? Do you know if they got it running? Or are they in the process of repairing it? I would love to see one of those old tanks/tank destroyers in action.

    I am sure they will, it takes years for some of these to get restored, I haven’t seen anything on it running yet.

    As to what’s next, they are working on a Stug IV in poland, unfortunately this one looks more like you would expect, due to several fail attempts at recovery:
    http://www.dws.org.pl/viewtopic.php?t=15331


  • well tanks for nothin’ !


  • There was a tank supposedly found on D-Day of this year in a French village.  They had buried it after hostilities and forgotten about it or something.  I’ll try to find a link to it.  It was an M5 Stuart methinks.

  • '19 Moderator

  • '19 Moderator

    Now that I started looking it seems they are pulling tanks out of rivers boggs and holes on a regular basis these days.  T34s, BT-5s etc

  • '11

    That’s pretty crazy. I wonder why it seems that more are being pulled out now, then in previous years. I wonder if a land owner somewhere in Europe stumbled across one of these relics, would he/she get to keep it if they wanted? Or would it revert back to the government of the country they’re in or from whatever country it was from? That would be a cool fact to know. Europe is just full of history, what an amazing place.

  • '19 Moderator

    I think more are being recovered now due to avanced equipment.  I read that they had previously tried to get one of the stugs that was recovered, but the machinery wasn’t strong enough to pull it out.


  • I think we have a Sturmgeschutz III Ausfurung G here. Furthermore it was built prior to August 43. Only the F and G models had the 7.5 cm StuK 40 L/48 gun this vehicles carries. After August of 43 when Pzkpfw III ended StuGs were built with the Saukopf mantlet which this vehicle obviously does not have. I can’t recall anything about F models having applique armor which this vehicle has and finally there were only 120 F Models built so I think it’s a G. If you look at the title of the article it includes the word Sturmgeschutz. Top notch hint that it’s a StuG.


  • Ah we need more people like you. Knowledge of technical data is really a plus around here!


  • Now if I could just run my life as well as I can post about certain pieces of German armor I’d have it licked.


  • Yes indeed. Please don’t leave us.

    I wonder if you have any house rules for Revised, AAE or AAP.

    Your brain is quite possibly brilliant and full of interesting ideas. The vast number of people here no little about WW2 and your a true exception.

    for example using the standard D6 system how would you rate the armor in the game?

    for example would Japans tanks be at 2/2 rather than 3/3?

    How would you rate all five nations using 1-6 system, and what price schedule would you impose?


  • Guaranteed my I.Q. isn’t in the brilliant range. To be honest I’ve only played revised against the computer a couple times. It’s a horrible gauge. I used to play A&A all the time years ago in the Army. Now I play AAM with my oldest son. His and my growing interest in that is why I looked for a forum about it.

    I don’t care much for the D6 system. I’ve been working on a game for a while now and have bounced back and forth between D10 and D12 systems. Historically speaking you generally need a 3 to 1 fire power ratio if you are the attacker. Of course several factors can alter that but 3 to 1 has been a general rule for a while now. Using higher sided dice and giving the ability to entrench can get you closer to reality in a game in my opinion.

    2/2 Jap tanks is closer to reality but I don’t like tampering with the rules much. When I played all the time our only house rule was always Russia restricted unless you’re playing a newbie. Then we would give him the Allies with no restriction. I don’t like equal numbers for attacking and defense. A hull down tank behind foliage is a tougher nut to crack than one moving in the open. Then again an armored thrust that is behind your lines will usually kick your ass more than some hidden tanks will.

    I do think giving the Brits heavy bombers and the Germans rockets would be historically accurate and not alter the game too much. You could possibly give the heavies to the Americans also but I don’t know if that would swing the advantage too much to the Allies.

    I’m just not knowledgable enough about the game to take a shot at your last question. What ever the version I would rated the weakest nation as the best for me. I love doing a tactical retreat against superior numbers. I use a series of kill boxes to make the bad guys pay for every inch. It works great against a computer. Usually humans learn after once or twice and build a massive force before entering the kill box. That’s fine. It slows them down. Then I hide amongst the closest allied force and wait for an opening.


  • I prefer a D12 system after ALOT on playtesting over the years. Its the only way to get the variation of differences between nations. 10 different out comes is really at most 8 different values, while 12 gives you more depth across the board.

    So lets do Tanks d12 :

    Soviet: starting tanks at 5/5 costing 5 for first 3 turns, then they goto 5/7  cost 5

    German:  7/6  cost 6

    UK: 6/5 cost 6

    Japan: 5/5 cost 7

    Italy: 5/4 cost 5

    USA: 6/6 cost 5

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