Thought the AVs were playing pittsburg for a minute. What’s up with that ? Those things are terrible
Should Schools Require School Uniforms?
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So you’re saying it’s OK for your teenage daughter to go out of the house in a midriff-baring tank top, and short-shorts that read “JUICY” across the rear?
Yes. If she wants to look like an easy-to-lay floozy, thats her decision. As a parent, I would tell them my views on their attire, but not require them to change it. They have to see for themselves why its wrong. If I just tell them, they will rebel, and my influence will wane. If I respect them, while telling them my views, they are more likely to see the wisdom. And if they don’t, again, that’s their choice. I may not like it, but its not my life.
Well, you see, my original point was that I believe that for clothes, appearance is a part of functionality. That is, the response to which you refer above was my response to Gamer’s response to my post which read in its entirety:
There’s different types of school uniforms. I’m partial to West Point style myself, but there’s the traditional “Catholic” style, the ankle skirt and business suit style, or just jeans and a school t-shirt style.
Don’t let the appearnce throw you off, what’s the functionality say?For clothing, appearance is a major part of functionality.
Apparently, Gamer disagreed, because he said that my entire viewpoint would CHANGE.
My response to Gamer cited an example for which I hoped he would agree that for clothes, appearance IS a part of functionality.
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That said, my kids are off to Catholic school next year, which means their clothes budget just shrunk and my beer and war game budget just grew a little. :-D
Catholic schools are private. Private schools cost money. So you are saying that you spent so much on clothes that the tuition for this school will be less than the annual clothes expenses?
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instead of watching my daughter(hopefully only boys for me) become a whore over years……is it still illegal to slap the sluttiness outta one? thats my freedom of expression.
i wore a uniform until i graduated from high school. and the high school uniform was only no jeans or sweats, and no t shirts. thats it.
and i agree fully with the catholic school girl uniform. they try to get it as reaveling as possible…very nice.
and for masses in high school. we used to be able to dress up, but they stopped that my senior year b/c the girls were coming in looking like million dollar whores. it was very nice, even God woulda liked it. i think.
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instead of watching my daughter(hopefully only boys for me) become a whore over years……is it still illegal to slap the sluttiness outta one? thats my freedom of expression.
Can boys be whores?
And I love the ironic note you had later:
and i agree fully with the catholic school girl uniform. they try to get it as reaveling as possible…very nice.
…unless it’s your daughter, which she would then be a whore.
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correct. there were some who were very very hot, looked really good, but didnt have that sluttiness factor. everyone also wanted them the most, but they always had serious boyfriends and whatnot. so most just tried to hook up with whores. the un-whores who were also smoking hot were the best.
so its better not to be a whore.
and yes, man whores exist.
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I know, I wasn’t arguing with you, I was just making a point in response to your line which I quoted. It wasn’t directed at you, just at the discussion in general. Look at it as I saw the opportunity to express my viewpoint, and took it. Nothing more or less.
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i wore a uniform until i graduated from high school. and the high school uniform was only no jeans or sweats, and no t shirts. thats it.
That’s not a uniform. That’s just a dress code.
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I think as far as practical measures go a uniform is just a very clear dress code with no wiggle room. I’m torn on the issue. Like most things the fewer choices the more you diminsh the choices others make i.e. if you can’t drink alcohol then you haven’t made a choice not to drink alcohol.
I voted no. I do not have children.
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I support them.
My high school only had a uniform only for Phys Ed. You had to buy these specific items that were ordered in by local stores just for that purpose. It was practical (reversable shirts to allow for clear teams, one side gold, the other blue, etc.)
And of course when I first entered post-secondary education, I had a uniform… And at the begining of each day we were notified which variant we would wear that day:
Academic Short Sleeved (USAF Blue service dress w/ short sleeve shirt, no jacket)
Academic Long Sleeve (ditto, different shirt)
Above could be called with our without the Athletic Jacket (basic plain blue jacket zip up w/ sqaudron patch)
Service Dress (full uniform with jacket)
Full Service Dress (included gloves)
Parades (white pants, double brested tunic, pistol belt, saber, white service cap)Catholic schools have uniforms. So do military primary and secondary schools, and many private schools.
I see NO problem with it, in fact, i think it would solve a LOT of issues.
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@ncscswitch:
I see NO problem with it, in fact, i think it would solve a LOT of issues.
like?
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Gang identification.
The repeated lawsuits over t-shirt messages
the harassment of folks who have wardrobes from K-Mart… or from Rodeo Drive
The debate over what shorts are TOO short…
etc.I do not recall any lawsuits over rebel flags or intollerant messages, or obscenity regarding clothing at a single school with a uniform.
And remember, those lawsuits are defended via TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
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HELL YES UNIFORMS
Kids can be creative on paper.
At the very least strengthen dress codes…require SHIRTS not t-shirts and slacks with belts. Unfortunately schools don’t seem to be strengthening anything but the unrealistic expectations on teachers, reliance on BS data/testing , and fantasy world creations. -
News flash, your children already wear school uniforms! Physical Education classes routinely require you wear the same shorts, same shirts, same socks, etc.
So why not let the PTA put together uniforms for during the class day? For instance, blue jeans, a school shirt (which can be purchased in bulk so that parents could purchase 5 of them for $10 (not $10 each, $10 for all 5!)), tube socks and white unadorned sneakers.
It’s gender neutral, it’s cheap (so the poor can easily afford it, or if they cannot, having the government provide it would not be an undu burden on the government) and functional. (They cover the body, they provide some protection from the environment, they have pockets, they are durable.)
Anyway, arguements over who has the best shoes, or who has the cutest top does nothing but detract students from their job - to pay attention to the instructors and learn the material being presented.
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Anyway, arguements over who has the best shoes, or who has the cutest top does nothing but detract students from their job - to pay attention to the instructors and learn the material being presented.
I think that arguments over who has the best shoes and the cutest top teaches valuable social skills.
Do you like kids, Jen?
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Anyway, arguements over who has the best shoes, or who has the cutest top does nothing but detract students from their job - to pay attention to the instructors and learn the material being presented.
I think that arguments over who has the best shoes and the cutest top teaches valuable social skills.
Do you like kids, Jen?
As far as I like any homo-sapians, yes, I like kids. However, my definition of “kid” is probably different then yours. To me children are any homo sapians between conception and 22 years old (when most students earn their first bachelor’s degree from university.)
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That said, my kids are off to Catholic school next year, which means their clothes budget just shrunk and my beer and war game budget just grew a little. :-D
Catholic schools are private. Private schools cost money. So you are saying that you spent so much on clothes that the tuition for this school will be less than the annual clothes expenses?
Well, damn, NCB, I guess you blew up THAT theory . . . man, I get screwed coming or going. :roll:
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I think kids should wear uniforms and that these uniforms should be military as in a military academy. I was a student in Brentwood Military academy for 3 years (ages 5-7) and we had to carry a heavy gun ( the inside was taken out) we had to drill and pay attention in class. Medals were earned and the only way one student looked better than another was by the example that student set by being awarded medals for good work. The school was extremely expensive so i had to leave, but it was a greatest time.
Nowadays your class is filled with immigrants and trash is everywhere.
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I like some aspects of military school, but just like every other educational measure, it won’t work if applied universally. I would have performed far, far worse in a school run like a military academy than the laissez-faire style of my high school. That’s the problem with the U.S. educational establishment. Administrators try to apply universal policies at the state and local level, and I believe that’s only impairing our success.
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@Imperious:
Nowadays your class is filled with immigrants
So?
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The thing is, there is no one method of instruction that works for everyone. Charter schools, religious schools, military academies and banking schools (what we call Public Schools) all have their places.
Military uniforms, drill and awards for exceptional achievements is a great way to run an education system, but some people just don’t have the genetic material to succeed in that environment.
Religious schools with uniforms are also a great way to run an educational system. But again, some people just don’t have the genetic material to succeed in that environment.
Banking Schools are an adequate way to train the unexceptional to fill lower level positions so that society can keep functioning. Uniforms and pride are pretty irrellevant in this type of system because you are only aiming at basic arthimetic training, basic communications training and an ordered and structured day to get them used to going to a “job” for the lions share of the day.
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