Neutral Negotiations (Updated)

my friends play something like this but its ours is harder to “sway” a neutral

I thought this was an interesting idea and variant.  Love the chart too - thanks for sharing.

This is a pretty cool idea!  I may add this as an optional rule in my house rules.

Maybe the more territories you have surrounding a neutral, the more easy/difficult it is to sway?

For example… I’m sure Turkey would be much more interested in considering offers from the Axis, if the entirety of their nation was surrounded by the forces of fascism.

Or if the USA has conquered parts of south america, that will make the other parts more likely to consider offers from America.

For territories that have “NO” value,  just set a standard negotiation value of 2 IPC’s.

@Gargantua:

Maybe the more territories you have surrounding a neutral, the more easy/difficult it is to sway?

For example… I’m sure Turkey would be much more interested in considering offers from the Axis, if the entirety of their nation was surrounded by the forces of fascism.

Or if the USA has conquered parts of south america, that will make the other parts more likely to consider offers from America.

For territories that have “NO” value,  just set a standard negotiation value of 2 IPC’s.

True dat…

Being adjacent to each Neutral by way of conquest or starting position should get a modifier of -1 or -2 IPC for each adjacent area that you pay. So if your adjacent to three areas from the conversion attempt you get -3 IPC ( or more) on paying the cost.

@Imperious:

Being adjacent to each Neutral by way of conquest or starting that way should get a modifier of -1 or -2 IPC for each adjacent area that you pay. So if your adjacent to three areas from the conversion attempt you get -3 IPC ( or more) on paying the cost.

Like this idea…also, I think I would make it where you first pay 5 IPCs…period.  THEN, based on the dice rolled you can choose to “invest” the rest or leave having spent the “attempt” of 5 IPCs.  If you move forward, the 5 IPCs is applied towards the rolled balance due to fulfill the obligations to the neutral.  Seems like a “Diplomatic Effort” cost followed up with the “Foreign Investment” to sway them.  If you back out of the negotiations after the 5 IPCs you can NEVER attempt to sway that neutral again.

What’s y’all’s take on that idea??

OK 5 IPC is the minimum. If you end up paying 2X or more, the total cost is reduced by 1-2 for each area you occupy adjacent from the conversion attempt.

I think we just created a new rule/option!  :-D

It’s way too cheap.  Converting Turkey or Spain for $10 or less would give a huge advantage.

It’s way too cheap.  Converting Turkey or Spain for $10 or less would give a huge advantage.

Turkey is worth 2 IPC, so the most you would pay is $10 minus any areas you controlled adjacent.

I agree the cost is too low.  Perhaps you pay the minimum 5 IPC for the roll plus the result of what you rolled

That or you create specific conditions for each country.

Or make it dependant, not just on the IPC value of the territory, but the size of it’s standing army. Â

Turkey 2+8 (for 8 inf) + die roll effect + 5 for the chance to roll - surrounding territory.

That gets expensive…  but works in a pinch!

Yeah…all good points.  I hadn’t done the math yet…

Maybe the FIVE plus is the way to go.  You spent five TRYING to get them to buy into you, and then had to invest something to win their love permanently.

Actually…kind of sounds like marriage…hahahahaa!  :-P

-Jim

Other nations should also be able to counter influence.

So… for example, each game round (Right before Germany), each country gets the right to either influence, or counter influence.  (Or maybe 1 shot at each)

Then maybe you either build up “political clout” tokens in said territories, that either make it cheaper for you to gain them, or more expensive for your opponents to take them away…

or something.

We’re definetly on to something here…

The rule must be universal without specific encumbrances from nation to nation. That is the beauty of the rule and why it might get adopted by most.

Maybe the FIVE plus is the way to go.  You spent five TRYING to get them to buy into you, and then had to invest something to win their love permanently.

I think the chart uses the slots for FAIL (2-7) , which means you wasted/invested 5 IPC but have to try again another turn if you fail. So basically you risk 5 IPC for a shot at conversion ( which will cost you more if you succeed).

So only rolling a 12 will result in the cheapest result ( 5 IPC, plus IPC=to value of Neutral).

Diplomacy rolls should only be on your own turn ( during purchase units phase)

@Gargantua:

That or you create specific conditions for each country.

Or make it dependant, not just on the IPC value of the territory, but the size of it’s standing army. �

Turkey 2+8 (for 8 inf) + die roll effect + 5 for the chance to roll - surrounding territory.

That gets expensive… � but works in a pinch!

So even if you roll 8 (worst case scenario), you can turn Turkey pro-your side and the other strict neutrals remain strict neutral for 25$?  DEAL!!  The 8 infantry alone are worth $24 and you get the easy road into Caucasus or Balkans.  Spain would be another good deal for USA.

How about a bid system?  You pay $5 for the chance to shmooze the diplomats of the strict neutral country.  You then roll a dice and if you get 3 or less the auction starts.  Your side and the opposing side bid the number of IPCs they are willing to spend on “foreign aid” to turn the strict neutral pro-their side.  The side that bids the highest surrenders that many IPCs.  They can decide amongst themselves exactly how many IPCs each power will donate to the cause.  The strict neutral then becomes pro-whichever side won the auction and can be activated.

@Vance:

@Gargantua:

That or you create specific conditions for each country.

Or make it dependant, not just on the IPC value of the territory, but the size of it’s standing army. �

Turkey 2+8 (for 8 inf) + die roll effect + 5 for the chance to roll - surrounding territory.

That gets expensive… � but works in a pinch!

So even if you roll 8 (worst case scenario), you can turn Turkey pro-your side and the other strict neutrals remain strict neutral for 25$?  DEAL!!  The 8 infantry alone are worth $24 and you get the easy road into Caucasus or Balkans.  Spain would be another good deal for USA.

How about a bid system?  You pay $5 for the chance to shmooze the diplomats of the strict neutral country.  You then roll a dice and if you get 3 or less the auction starts.  Your side and the opposing side bid the number of IPCs they are willing to spend on “foreign aid” to turn the strict neutral pro-their side.  The side that bids the highest surrenders that many IPCs.  They can decide amongst themselves exactly how many IPCs each power will donate to the cause.  The strict neutral then becomes pro-whichever side won the auction and can be activated.

The auction idea is intriguing…I’d say mostly realistic too.  And necessary to prevent Germany on G1 from buying off Turkey right off the bat!

playing with this rule makes one lucky dice roll turn a game around, my friends and i have been doing this for a while. it makes the game more fun for us

how about a twilight struggle thing for the money. for every adjacent territory you have to the neutral you get -1 to the cost (after all the dice rolling and math) vice verse you get +1 to the cost for every enemy adjacent territory