18L axis-dominion (+6) vs oysteilo (allies) bm3

[oysteilo]

all right, I am posting your win now. i am done with this game

[oysteilo]

Rematch? Are you willing to give me axis +6?

[axis-dominion]

@oysteilo:

Rematch? Are you willing to give me axis +6?

ok good game. sure go for it

[oysteilo]

@axis-dominion:

@oysteilo:

Rematch? Are you willing to give me axis +6?

ok good game. sure go for it

Cool, you don’t think it is premature?

[axis-dominion]

@oysteilo:

@axis-dominion:

@oysteilo:

Rematch? Are you willing to give me axis +6?

ok good game. sure go for it

Cool, you don’t think it is premature?

well, you did have a pretty rough Russian turn, lost a lot of guys who later you’d need for defense, not to mention loss of position. I’d say, seems to me you’re ready to move on and start a fresh game, so in that sense it is not premature. euro axis is very strong even tho Japan is challenged. usually in this situation, Japan need only survive and be a thorn and resource drain for the allies, and maybe make some surprise moves to help support a euro win.

[JDOW]

I admit, it sounds tempting to me to take the position over at the USA move in which Oysteilo decided to abandon Caro.
It looked to me that the Allies had a potent position at this moment. But I admit, I sometimes tend to overestimate Allied position so I can tell that I am absolute NOT certainly that I will win from there.

AD, what do you think? Would you be willing to play this position for fun for a while from there another time?

[JDOW]

I was referring to US7

[JDOW]

BTW: I just realized, Germany would NOT have an attack on Egypt or I am mistaken?

In this case I consider it definitely premature to resign. What happened during the German turn that made you think the tide turned Oysteilo?

Also, you are even in position to prepare for the turn after the next turn, so the Germans might maybe even get stuck or at least have to take a dice battle to finally to take Egypt.

I think the position would definitely be worth to fight. Japan is close to collapsing. Maybe it would already be collapsed in case you would have stayed at Caro US7.

I admit, I did not have many long games in BM yet but as long as Egypt has not fallen for good with Germany remaining strong I think the Allies should continue.

[oysteilo]

the short version JDOW:

Germany is making 90 + and will be for a long time. I was looking into trying an combined attack on india with UK and russia with my transports and planes, but wont change anything

so I decided to defend egypt. Maybe there are som tricks I can pull to delay the suffer, but at the end of the day Germany can just build and build and build and build. I have a week moscow and potentially a strong egypt, but USA is too slow in europe to make a difference

I am happy to play this out with you jdow but this is a lost case in my opinion

[axis-dominion]

@JDOW:

I admit, it sounds tempting to me to take the position over at the USA move in which Oysteilo decided to abandon Caro.
It looked to me that the Allies had a potent position at this moment. But I admit, I sometimes tend to overestimate Allied position so I can tell that I am absolute NOT certainly that I will win from there.

AD, what do you think? Would you be willing to play this position for fun for a while from there another time?

hmm not sure I’d like to replay this yet again :) was a fun game but certainly Japan was a challenge. I’d be down for a new league game with you whenever you’re ready.

[JDOW]

It’s fine. Just for the record, this how I could have imagined Allies should have played US/CHI/UK 7.

key elements:

• Beginn to make pressure from 110 (as Oysteilo did bid keeping the US troops alive)
• Moving north with the US/Chinese /Russians in order to liberate Manchuria, Russian territories and Korea
• Stay at Caro to squeeze the Japanese and to force them to use blockers
• Move the fleet from sz98 towards the Indian ocean in order to sooner or later take the money islands away from Japan and to keep a threat on India
• Utilize the AA in the USA

Note, I forgot to kill the 2 Japanese TTs with the bomber so I edited the SBR back.

[JDOW]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.3

Game History

Round: 7

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 6 fighters, 3 infantry and 3 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            1 infantry moved from Caroline Islands to 33 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 22 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Marianas to 22 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 33 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone
                  Americans take 22 Sea Zone from Japanese
            1 submarine moved from 33 Sea Zone to 18 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 33 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from 33 Sea Zone to 18 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from 33 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 33 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 22 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 17 Sea Zone to Iwo Jima
            1 mech_infantry moved from Tunisia to Libya
                  Americans take Libya from Italians
            1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Tobruk
                  Americans take Tobruk from Italians
            1 bomber moved from Anhwe to French Indo China

Combat - Americans
            Strategic bombing raid in French Indo China
                    AA fire in French Indo China : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                Bombing raid in French Indo China rolls: 4 and causes: 4 damage to unit: factory_minor
                Bombing raid in French Indo China causes 4 damage total.
            Battle in 19 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 submarine
                Japanese defend with 1 transport
                    1 transport owned by the Japanese lost in 19 Sea Zone
                    Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 19 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                Americans win, taking 19 Sea Zone from Japanese with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 transport
            Battle in 17 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 transport
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                    Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 17 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    Americans roll dice for 3 fighters and 1 transport in 17 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,50 expected hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer in 17 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 submarine owned by the Americans and 1 destroyer owned by the Japanese lost in 17 Sea Zone
                Americans win with 3 fighters and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 18 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 2 fighters and 1 submarine
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                    Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 18 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    Americans roll dice for 2 fighters in 18 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer in 18 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 submarine owned by the Americans and 1 destroyer owned by the Japanese lost in 18 Sea Zone
                Americans win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
            Battle in Iwo Jima

Non Combat Move - Americans
            2 fighters moved from 18 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from 17 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 carrier, 4 destroyers and 5 submarines moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 10 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Western United States to Hawaiian Islands
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 30 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from 30 Sea Zone to Johnston Island
            1 infantry moved from 30 Sea Zone to Johnston Island
            1 carrier moved from 10 Sea Zone to 30 Sea Zone
            4 submarines moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from French Indo China to Anhwe
            1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Jehol
            1 artillery moved from Anhwe to Jehol
            1 infantry and 1 marine moved from Tunisia to Libya
            2 fighters moved from Eastern United States to Gibraltar
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Morocco to 91 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Morocco to 91 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Morocco to 91 Sea Zone
            1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 2 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys, 1 submarine and 2 transports moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            2 mech_infantrys moved from 110 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
            2 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
            2 fighters moved from 92 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Morocco to United Kingdom
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Morocco to United Kingdom
            1 carrier and 1 destroyer moved from 92 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from French Equatorial Africa to Anglo Egyptian Sudan

Place Units - Americans
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Central United States: 1 aaGun
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Western United States: 1 aaGun
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone
            2 transports placed in 101 Sea Zone
            2 infantry placed in Central United States
            1 infantry placed in Western United States
            5 fighters placed in Western United States
            1 fighter placed in Eastern United States

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 57 PUs; end with 57 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 67 PUs
            Objective Americans 9 Vital Forward Bases: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs
            Objective Americans 8 Pacific Airfields: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 77 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 82 PUs
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 87 PUs

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            2 infantry moved from Kweichow to Yunnan
            1 fighter moved from Kweichow to Yunnan
            3 infantry moved from Kweichow to Hunan
            1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kiangsi
                  Chinese take Kiangsi from Japanese

Combat - Chinese
            Battle in Hunan
                Chinese attack with 3 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                    Chinese roll dice for 3 infantry in Hunan, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0,50 expected hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Hunan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Hunan
                Chinese win, taking Hunan from Japanese with 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Battle in Yunnan
                Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan
                Chinese win, taking Yunnan from Japanese with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Chinese
            1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Anhwe
            4 infantry moved from Anhwe to Jehol
            6 infantry moved from Kweichow to Anhwe
            3 infantry moved from Kweichow to Anhwe
            1 infantry moved from Kweichow to Anhwe
            3 infantry moved from Kweichow to Anhwe

Place Units - Chinese
            3 infantry placed in Anhwe
            3 infantry placed in Jehol

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 19 PUs; end with 21 PUs

Purchase Units - British
            British repair damage of 1x harbour; Remaining resources: 36 PUs;
            British buy 1 artillery, 2 infantry, 3 mech_infantrys and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            1 mech_infantry moved from Ethiopia to British Somaliland
            1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to British Somaliland
            1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Caucasus
            1 artillery moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from 110 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium
            1 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux

Combat - British
            Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
            Battle in Holland Belgium
            Battle in British Somaliland
                British attack with 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Italians defend with 1 artillery
                    British roll dice for 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in British Somaliland, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 artillery in British Somaliland, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 artillery owned by the Italians lost in British Somaliland
                British win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from Italians, taking Holland Belgium from Germans, taking British Somaliland from Italians with 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery
            Battle in Caucasus
                British attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                Germans defend with 2 mech_infantrys
                    British roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Caucasus, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 2 mech_infantrys in Caucasus, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                    2 mech_infantrys owned by the Germans lost in Caucasus
                British win, taking Caucasus from Germans with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Germans: 2 mech_infantrys

Non Combat Move - British
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Tanganyika Territory to 72 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 72 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 81 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan
            1 artillery moved from 81 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan
            3 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
            1 infantry moved from Syria to Iraq
            1 armour moved from Syria to Iraq
            4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Syria to Egypt
            1 infantry moved from Belgian Congo to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            3 infantry moved from Rhodesia to Belgian Congo
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Union of South Africa to Belgian Congo
            1 fighter moved from Union of South Africa to Egypt
            1 submarine moved from 80 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from 97 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 battleship, 1 carrier, 4 cruisers and 1 destroyer moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Egypt to 98 Sea Zone

Place Units - British
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Egypt
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Union of South Africa
            2 transports placed in 110 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 42 PUs; end with 42 PUs

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Caucasus: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Chinese from Anhwe: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Chinese to Kweichow: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 5 Sea Zone: 2 transports
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Soviet Far East: 1 bomber
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Anhwe: 1 bomber
            EDIT: Changing unit bombing damage for these Japanese owned units to: factory_minor = 0
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Chinese from Anhwe: 3 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Chinese to Jehol: 3 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Central United States: 1 aaGun and 1 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 101 Sea Zone: 1 transport
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 10 Sea Zone: 1 transport
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Western United States: 1 aaGun and 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans : -0,67
    British : 1,33
    Italians : -0,33
    Americans : -0,50
    Chinese : 1,67
    Japanese : 0,67
    AA fire in French Indo China : : -0,17

triplea_41892_UK_7.tsvg

[JDOW]

@JDOW:

It’s fine. Just for the record, this how I could have imagined Allies should have played US/CHI/UK 7.

key elements:

• Beginn to make pressure from 110 (as Oysteilo did bid keeping the US troops alive)
• Moving north with the US/Chinese /Russians in order to liberate Manchuria, Russian territories and Korea
• Stay at Caro to squeeze the Japanese and to force them to use blockers
• Move the fleet from sz98 towards the Indian ocean in order to sooner or later take the money islands away from Japan and to keep a threat on India
• Utilize the AA in the USA

Note, I forgot to kill the 2 Japanese TTs with the bomber so I edited the SBR back.

And the last key elements. Try to buy 5-6 cheap units in Egypt and SA every turn in order to make it as hard as possible to take Egypt.
This comes combined with buying transports in 110 for both, pressure on Germany and an emergency unit transfer in case Egypt gets in trouble.

[oysteilo]

Let me look at this JDOW, maybe we can continue this for fun, you as allies and me as axis?

[JDOW]

yeah, y not!

[oysteilo]

not bad, 2 defending subs both score hits, just like my game against wittmann where his 2’s score hits like it is 4’s

[JDOW]

Well. That is ok as the ground battles went hrewt. Ineven removed one unit in cauc to habe the dice more close to even.

You can continue with this map. The outcome was fair imo, maybe even slightly favors allies as i won the shaky battle in africa.

I admit. I dis not run all calculations but should be ok.

[JDOW]

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