Grasshopper's 8d System - Conversion tables for 1940 Global units

[General 6 Stars]

For subs costing 6 icp and a increase of +4% on A and +8% on D I don’t see a huge swarm of sub buys unless you think your +8% on defense is worth it. Better for convoy raiding and Germany ? Also what Ichabod said too ?

Germany going to buy any subs if they go sea lion ?
YG did state that subs weren’t scary enough in the Atlantic.

You still need destroyers for blocking.

Only sticky point I see is the cost of 6 icp sub for some people now. Some want the A3 D1 but that makes the sub less scarier to me. Sub is slightly stronger than the destroyer.

If I played G40, I’d test this heck out of this. Only way you’ll know if it works.

[General 6 Stars]

Enough of this !

Baron  crunch me some numbers with my new dice I just got.  :-D

Sorry YG I couldn’t help myself.

[baron Münchhausen]

These will roll on and on and on and on and on…

:wink:

So, no result at all!!!

[Dauvio Vann]

Use a battlecalc that has 100 sided dice. I think I will do a program like that.

[Young Grasshopper]

Unit profiles have been updated to reflect the poll results… Thanks for participating.

Attacking unit dice odds

1/8 - White (12.5%)
Infantry (-16.7%)
Mech Infantry (-16.7%)

2/8 - Green (25%)
Infantry w/Artillery (-33%)
Mech Infantry w/Artillery (-33%)

3/8 - Blue (37.5%)
Artillery (+33%)
Submarine (+33%)
Destroyer (+33%)

4/8 - Purple (50%)
Tank (0%)
Fighter (0%)
Tactical Bomber (0%)

5/8 - Red (62.5%)
Strategic Bomber (-66.7%)
Cruiser (+50%)
Tactical Bomber w/Fighter or w/Tank (-66.7%)

6/8 - Black (75%)
Battleship (+66.7%)

Defending unit dice odds

1/8 - White (12.5%)
AA Guns (-16.7%)
Strategic Bomber (-16.7%)

2/8 - Green (25%)
Infantry (-33%)
Mech Infantry (-33%)
Artillery (-33%)
Submarine (+16.7%)
Aircraft Carrier (-33%)

3/8 - Blue (37.5%)
Destroyer (+33%)

4/8 - Purple (50%)
Tank (0%)
Tactical Bomber (0%)

5/8 - Red (62.5%)
Fighter (- 66.7%)
Cruiser (+50%)

6/8 - Black (75%)
Battleship (+66.7%)

Strategic bombing air combat values

1/8 - White (12.5%)
Tac Bomber (-16.7%)
Strategic Bomber (-16.7)

2/8 - Green (25%)
Fighter interceptor (+16.7%)
Fighter escort (+16.7%)

Kamikaze Token defense values

2/8 - Green (25%)
Kamikaze Token (-33%)

*Special thanks to Big Al “Mike Tyson” for contributing in this idea & Baron Munchhausen for his calculations.

[baron Münchhausen]

The Sub line has to be change:
1/8 - White (12.5%)
AA Guns (-16.7%)
Strategic Bomber (-16.7%)
Submarine (-16.7%)

2/8 - Green (25%)
Infantry (-33%)
Mech Infantry (-33%)
Artillery (-33%)
Submarine (+16.7%)
Aircraft Carrier (-33%)

These (odds) can be added too:
Strategic bombing air combat values

1/8 - White (12.5%)
Tac Bomber (-16.7%)
Strategic Bomber (-16.7)

2/8 - Green (25%)
Fighter interceptor (+16.7%)
Fighter escort (+16.7%)

Kamikaze Token defense values

2/8 - Green (25%)
Kamikaze Token (-33%)

[Young Grasshopper]

@Baron:

The Sub line has to be change:
1/8 - White (12.5%)
AA Guns (-16.7%)
Strategic Bomber (-16.7%)
Submarine (-16.7%)

2/8 - Green (25%)
Infantry (-33%)
Mech Infantry (-33%)
Artillery (-33%)
Submarine (+16.7%)
Aircraft Carrier (-33%)

These (odds) can be added too:
Strategic bombing air combat values

1/8 - White (12.5%)
Tac Bomber (-16.7%)
Strategic Bomber (-16.7)

2/8 - Green (25%)
Fighter interceptor (+16.7%)
Fighter escort (+16.7%)

Kamikaze Token defense values

2/8 - Green (25%)
Kamikaze Token (-33%)

Done!, Thank you Baron… I must be extremely tiered (LOL).

[baron Münchhausen]

Probably a lot to organize for the tournament…

[Young Grasshopper]

@Baron:

Probably a lot to organize for the tournament…

Ya, you can tell how much thought energy I have for this game if I’m doing all of that, and trying to workout this 8 sided idea… but I really think converting to 8 sides can be something a lot of people could get on board with.

[bigalmeacham]

I have to say this is great IMO…
All of the “obsolete” units have been improved to a point that hopefully folks will now buy them…
Meaning cruisers and even battleships will hopefully be purchased with this new format…
Another way to look at it – units are in the stands in a baseball game right now (tanks, cruisers, battleships, etc.), but with this format ALL units should be in the playing field in terms of ROI…
Pretty cool…
Now…the question is…can we agree on a “standard” bid for the Allies at the start of a game…
I have heard a good idea that USA get’s two battleships at the start of the game…
Please comment on this and other ideas…
thanks

[baron Münchhausen]

The only issue I see that remains is about AAA.
It is not a popular unit OOB. It cannot be more interesting if it is nerfed.
But I understand why it is nerfed.
So, one remaining options is to reduced cost to 3 IPCs…
But it was out of question per the original parameter of this thread.
IDK what can be done about it…

[Young Grasshopper]

@Baron:

The only issue I see that remains is about AAA.
It is not a popular unit OOB. It cannot be more interesting if it is nerfed.
But I understand why it is nerfed.
So, one remaining options is to reduced cost to 3 IPCs…
But it was out of question per the original parameter of this thread.
IDK want can be done about it…

No house rules or cost changes, it’s either gonna be a 1/8 or a 2/8 on the 8 sided system.

[Young Grasshopper]

I posted a new poll for AA Guns… thanks for participating.

[Ichabod]

YG,

I voted 1/8. I think that’s fine. I think 2/8, or a 25% chance, is too much for OOB air unit costs for AAA dice.

On a side note, would you consider a 6 sided die just for the AAA?

[baron Münchhausen]

@Young:

@Baron:

The only issue I see that remains is about AAA.
It is not a popular unit OOB. It cannot be more interesting if it is nerfed.
But I understand why it is nerfed.
So, one remaining options is to reduced cost to 3 IPCs…
But it was out of question per the original parameter of this thread.
IDK want can be done about it…

No house rules or cost changes, it’s either gonna be a 1/8 or a 2/8 on the 8 sided system.

Around 10% odds is very near historical rate of casualties per bombing mission.
This make @1 on D8 compelling for AAA.
My guess is that you will keep @1 and once tried with fellow players, you will decide to add something to improve AAA attractiveness.
Or play without buying AAA anymore, Cruiser has been there a few years and the game works even if it was a broken unit from an optimized purchaser POV.

The basic scale have to keep the bottom number for basic unit: @1.
AAA cannot be higher.

[Young Grasshopper]

Thanks Baron, my guess is that no one will buy AA Guns just like the 6 sided system… and I would be ok with that, there are enough in the setup as it is.

[Young Grasshopper]

@Ichabod:

On a side note, would you consider a 6 sided die just for the AAA?

I would like to have everything that used a 6 in oob to use an 8 in this system, but I suppose a 6 would still be required for the (broken and obsolete) R&D phase.

[baron Münchhausen]

This Tech R&D might as well be improved by your enthusiasm, YG.
:-D

IMO, AAA is an half-baked unit.
At first, it was 6 IPCs then reduced to 5 IPCs to use this slot but this did not change things to make it popular.

The old AAguns were also rarely built because their was enough in set-up too.

But, this Flak 88 was a cool sculpt and was still an improvement to get each specific AAA sculpt for main powers.

Since it seems like the other units, you are more compelled to consider it same as other ground units.
But it is not the case. If AAA had remain grey or white and non-specific, no one would be bother to never purchase them.

[Ichabod]

@Young:

@Ichabod:

On a side note, would you consider a 6 sided die just for the AAA?

I would like to have everything that used a 6 in oob to use an 8 in this system, but I suppose a 6 would still be required for the (broken and obsolete) R&D phase.

Ok. Today I read that HBG uses a D12 but still uses a D6 when rolling SBR damage. I like your D8 HR idea and would gladly play it. Was just wondering if this could have been an area to still use a D6.

[baron Münchhausen]

You can slightly modify SBR:
StB bombing damage to be 1D8.
Average: 1+8=9/2= 4.5 IPCs
(1D6+2= 8 damage max, anyway average 3+8=11/2= 5.5 IPCs )

TcB bombing damage to be 1D8 minus 2, minimum 1 dmg point.
Average: 1+1+1+2+3+4+5+6= 23/8= 2.875 IPCs
OOB TcB dmg avg: 3.5 IPCs

If IC’s AAA is @1 on D8 (12.5%), it is also reduced odds compared to OOB 16.7%.
So, it is fair to reduced average Strat bombing damage.

Convoy Raid: 1D8 roll: 1-4= 1-4 IPCs ; 5-8= 0 IPCs
50% odds of making damage.
Average dmg: 1+2+3+4+0+0+0+0= 10/8= 1.25 IPC

OOB Convoy 50% odds of making damage.
Average D6 dmg 1+2+3+0+0+0= 6/6 =1 IPC