Defending sub surprise strike

@Romulus: But subs, as TRNs, can not stall because they may be ignored by other surface ships that may treat the sea zone with subs within as friendly or am I wrong? You’re not wrong.

Approximately half of the U-Boat losses were due to Aircraft. However in this version of Axis and Allies subs may not be hit by aircraft without an attacking destroyer present. Axis and Allies is not a very accurate recreation of WWII. However, it is a fun game.

I think subs are underestimated… I like them a lot more than the Cruiser for instance. The extra cost of 6 IPC’s doesn’t make up for the shore bombardment and extra punch. Now, let’s take a look at their advantages: -subs are CHEAP! 6 IPC’s for a naval hit is dirt cheap! -subs are invulnerable to lone enemy aircraft => this allows them to swim around Europe/Pacific avoiding those German/Japanese ftrs. -subs can’t attack airplanes, and apart from DD’s, other sea units are more expensive than airplanes. As a result, if a fleet has got only 1 DD, it won’t stand a sub attack, because the expensive carriers, cruisers, and battleships will be the first to get hit. This is often underestimated! -subs have a greater mobility than other fleet units because they can’t be attacked without an enemy DD. disadvantages: -1 defense is little, even for 6 IPC’s. Don’t count on subs to stand tall against an organized attack. -subs can’t hit air, but air with DD can hit subs -subs don’t like a lot of DD’s (a single DD is seldom a problem) To summarize: I like subs a lot the way they are implemented now. And I think Germany building a sole sub fleet is a viable strategy. If you just don’t let the British navy too close, the subs+air will keep the baltic.

Yup.

@Battlingmaxo: … I would like to point out that if you don’t have a destroyer in you attacking force the defender may choose to  submerge the subs in which casew you have your desired attack…ti piace? I know, I know… Yeah, I like it, but I would prefer if I could choose…

LHTR fixes some issues with box rules.  You can find the rules, and a discussion about them, on Larry’s site.

Yea so if you catch an AC out at sea with out a DD you may get the ftrs too if they can’t land within 1 space.