Re: G4015L ShinJi(Allies +14) v Karl7(Axis) Part2

[Shin-Ji]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 15

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 9 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese

Place Units - Chinese
            4 infantry placed in Jehol
            5 infantry placed in Burma

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 27 PUs; end with 27 PUs total

[Shin-Ji]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 15

Combat Move - British
            3 armour and 9 mech_infantrys moved from Persia to Trans-Jordan
            1 artillery and 11 infantry moved from Persia to 80 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 3 destroyers, 11 infantry and 6 transports moved from 80 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            16 infantry moved from Persia to Iraq
            3 infantry moved from Spain to Southern France

Non Combat Move - British

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific

[Karl7]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 15

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Western Germany to France
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to France
            1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to France
            2 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
            1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
            2 infantry moved from Western Germany to France

Combat - Italians
            Battle in France
                Italians attack with 2 artilleries, 2 fighters and 8 infantry
                French defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor and 4 infantry; Americans defend with 1 infantry
                Italians captures 0PUs while taking French capital
                Italians win, taking France from French with 2 artilleries, 2 fighters and 7 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for French: 4 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
            Battle in Northern Italy
                Italians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Americans defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor and 1 infantry
                retreated to Northern Italy
                Americans win with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
                Casualties for Italians: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Italians
            1 fighter moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy
            2 fighters moved from France to Southern Italy

Place Units - Italians
            3 infantry placed in Southern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,6
            Italians collect 12 PUs; end with 12 PUs total

[Karl7]

I think that is it…. Italy took back France and you cannot take it back as far as I can see.

[Karl7]

Yeah, I think I am secure for the 8 VCs at the end of the round.

That was CLOSE!

One more round and I doubt I could have held Italy from a USA smash.  Or maybe even the UK proper.

[Shin-Ji]

Italy took back France?  Oh shoot!  I completely forgot to account for that!

Doubt I could have stopped you anyway, though.

Wow, good game.

[Shin-Ji]

But hang on, don’t you have to hold the same 8 for a full round to win?

[Karl7]

@Shin:

But hang on, don’t you have to hold the same 8 for a full round to win?

Hmmm… my understanding (and tripple a’s understanding) is just that I have to have 8 at the end of a round. But I just looked at the rules and it says “for a round”… so, I will check the FAQ.

[Karl7]

@Karl7:

@Shin:

But hang on, don’t you have to hold the same 8 for a full round to win?

Hmmm… my understanding (and tripple a’s understanding) is just that I have to have 8 at the end of a round. But I just looked at the rules and it says “for a round”… so, I will check the FAQ.

Ok, after looking into this I think you may be right and Tripple A is wrong. Tripple A declares victory at the end of the round if you hold 8, while the rules say hold for a complete round. So I got the 8 on Germany, but you took back france on US, which I then took back on Italy, so the condition would only work if I held the 8 until Italy’s next turn…. sigh…

I put in a message to the league to make sure this right.

If so, I have a request: could I redo Italy?

If I knew the rule was I had to hold 8 continuously instead of just to the end of the round, it would make no sense to take France with Italy and forgo Germany getting France’s money.

[Karl7]

If you allow an Italy redo, we could then just keep playing.  If my original interpretation/tripple a’s interpretation is right (and I don’t think it is) then I would win anyway.

But if the rule says what I think it says, then you taking France has reset the condition and we need to keep going.

[Shin-Ji]

Yea, I’m fine with an Italy redo.  It’s one thing to completely miss obvious options on the board (as I did not factoring in the Italian forces in W Germany), and it’s another to be confused by an admittedly confusing rule.

[Karl7]

Ok, cool.  Well, now the advantage has swung in your direction!

[Karl7]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 15

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 8 infantry moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy
            2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy

Combat - Italians
            Battle in Northern Italy
                Italians attack with 2 artilleries, 3 fighters and 8 infantry
                Americans defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor and 1 infantry
                Italians win, taking Northern Italy from Americans with 2 artilleries, 3 fighters and 7 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery and 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Italians
            3 fighters moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy
            1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy

Place Units - Italians
            3 infantry placed in Southern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 5
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,2
            Italians collect 7 PUs (5 lost to blockades); end with 7 PUs total

[Shin-Ji]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 15

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 armour, 3 fighters and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC
            8 fighters moved from 26 Sea Zone to Midway
            1 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State
                  ANZAC take Shan State from Japanese
            1 infantry moved from French Indo China to Siam
                  ANZAC take Siam from Japanese
            1 mech_infantry moved from French Indo China to Szechwan
            2 artilleries, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 79 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone

Combat - ANZAC
            Battle in Midway
                ANZAC attack with 8 fighters
                Japanese defend with 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
                ANZAC win with 8 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            8 fighters moved from Midway to 26 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from Queensland to 26 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from 76 Sea Zone to Ethiopia
            1 fighter moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 fighter moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 fighter moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 bomber moved from Hawaiian Islands to Queensland

Place Units - ANZAC
            3 fighters placed in Queensland
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry placed in New South Wales

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 30 PUs; end with 30 PUs total
            Trigger ANZAC 1 Control Original And Malaya: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 35 PUs
            Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 40 PUs

[Shin-Ji]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 15

Combat Move - French
            4 infantry moved from Spain to Southern France
            4 infantry moved from France to Southern France

Non Combat Move - French

Turn Complete - French
            French collect 19 PUs; end with 19 PUs total

[Karl7]

If, Ok, I will skip USSR?  Or send in your orders. And I can move.

[Shin-Ji]

Take SFE and move one Inf to Bury, please.

Also, I was thinking that I’d move the 8 French troops to Normandy instead.

[Shin-Ji]

Actually, belay that bit about the Frenchies.  Keep em in S France.

[Karl7]

Cool.  Germany is going to take some thought.

This is an intense game!

[Shin-Ji]

Take your time.  I took almost a full day running over my strategy for the USA the other day.  At this stage in the game, any mistake will cost us.

Like, I’m genuinely concerned that forgetting to move those Brit and French infantry from Gib to Spain a few rounds ago may be what does me in.