Presidential Election (as a current event- watch the tone or it's gone)


  • @balungaloaf:

    i know some people didnt like the fact of him being catholic and president but that cant be why he was killed.  way to many other big reasons that matter to the nation.

    i know this is slightly off topic but as far as i know Keneddy was the only catholic president of USA

    and if Jen strongly stands for the theory he was assasinated from that or mostly over that reason than…

    why i say Jen, beacuse in the arguments we had before she didnt showed much simpaty towards Vatican to put it like that

    nevermind, as from what i hear from you Mccain is in some issues more conservative then other Republican candidates are but in some his is more liberal than Democrat candidates

    i ll repeat what i ve writen earlier

    from my ( poor ) knowledge and my intuition i would say he will win this elections

    he can take 1 mandate, he doesnt have to have 2
    but the man is the most qualified for the task

    and Obama is young…his time will come, or maybe i am wrong, and already has

  • '19 Moderator

    Thompson is the only true conservative candidate, the others all lean moderate in one way or another.

    The whole popularity contest is frustrating to me and disheartens me.  It’s a shame the candidates can’t just clearly state their positions and then we all vote.  I will be voting for Thompson on Super Duper Tuesday, even though he won’t get the nomination.  The whole process reminds me of a statement I heard a guy make back in the 90s

    Him “I voted for Clinton.”

    I said, “Why the hell would you do that?!”

    He said “Well I knew he was going to win anyway.”

    I had no response…

    It’s too bad so many people would rather be on the winning team than vote their consciences.  :-(


  • @dezrtfish:

    Him “I voted for Clinton.”

    I said, “Why the hell would you do that?!”

    He said “Well I knew he was going to win anyway.”

    I had no response…

    It’s too bad so many people would rather be on the winning team than vote their consciences.  :-(

    thats why i don’t like this system for the primaries. you have too many people who are swayed to vote not for who they like or think is best, but for the guy (or girl) they think will win.

    i like Thompson too, he has good plans but the problem with him is that he has had trouble spreading his message and that is a killer for him IMHO. Bush may or may not be a bad president in some areas, but there is no deniying that the man has trouble telling the people in a way they understand “what” he is doing or planning. for example Iraq, it is unpopular for 2 reasons, 1 is we have a vary large anti war group in the US; 2 the media propetuates it. the president (Bush) should be working hard to stop #2’s effect, not by steping on the constatution but by having his own reasons come out and be understood. he hasn’t so the two punch strat is working against him and the war is unpopular. now the relavence is that Thompson i see as being the same as Bush in this regard… though i think he would be a better conservative president, it dosn’t change that he would be un popular and be painted by the left as incompident and in effect give the Demicrats more power come the next election cycle in congres.

  • 2007 AAR League

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    Amon,

    Let me be clear.  I am not a catholic, I don’t believe that catholicism is running the world, nor do I fault Kennedy for being catholic.

    However, it is clear from the record, during his run for the office of the presidency, that there were only two arguments against him:

    1)  He was catholic.
    2)  He was too young.

    Since we have had young presidents and old presidents that have never been assassinated.  That leaves, by simple deductive reasoning, that the only problem he had that was worth assassinating him for was his catholic religion.


  • Or the “Zero Factor”… but that is off topic since this is an 08 election… and the Zero Factor was broken in 1980 :-)

  • 2007 AAR League

    please explain the zero factor.

    also, more news on the primary race in S.carolina

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,323790,00.html

    McCains going up and Romney’s going down in polls, Huckabee is about the same but with a slight 1-2% bump.

    and did anyone watch or read any of the democrat debate in nevada.

    the whole Yucca mountain thing was absurd.  All 3 frontrunners said they’d shut down the site.  and none of them could answer what they would do about nuclear waste without the site.  sounds like a democrat, tell the people what they want to hear, even though they have no clue as to what to do. edwards said he would shut it down and was always against the site.  Alas, to open the site, he voted in favor of it twice.  the truth doesnt matter to some. he must have learned from his mentor kerry, “i’m actually against it even though i voted for it”, i’m sure this placates the braindead who will wait for stewart to tell them what to think.  and then you have obama, he’s against the site, but alas……he has helped illinois become the leading state of nuclear power plants.  he helped get them all started, but he’s somehow against any way of getting rid of the waste.  what sense does that make?

    and the way the media treated the who race/gender battle b/w obama and clinton disgusted me.  they used feather gloves for these people.  trying to downplay it as much as  they could, basically the media was telling them to stop because it hurts their collective party.    WE all know what would of happened if it were a republican…man…24/7 shock treatment by the media.  and there are still people who “honestly” believe the media isnt massively biased.    geez.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    Last I heard everyone was stalemated in S. Carolina EXCEPT Thompson who is gaining ground fast, really fast.

    Maybe we will have 4 major states electing 4 different Republicans for the Nomination for President?


  • The “Zero Factor” is one of those now historical little tid-bits where the President that was elected in a year ending in 0 did not live through their term of office.  It started with Lincoln, and ended when Hinkley failed to kill Reagan.

    JFK was the last “Zero Factor” assassination.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    Well, if the “zero-factor” was to continue (because Hinkley tried), Bush woulda been NAILED!  Elected in a year ending in THREE zeros!


  • Of course, if you believe the far left, Bush was not actually elected, and is therefore immune :-P

    OK, enough of my off topic stuff about the zero factor, my apologies for bringing it up.

    Predictions:
    Obama in Nevada
    McCain 1st (by 5%) then Huckabee 2nd in SC.  Thompson withdraws from the race after coming in 4th, barely beating Ron Paul.

    Longer Term:
    Guiliani withdraws after losing in Florida.
    Edwards throws his support to Obama and withdraws from the race after Super Tuesday.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    My predictions:

    Thompson 1st in SC
    Romney 2nd
    Huckabee 3rd
    McCain drops out after losing SC again - he just doesn’t play well in the south, he never has.  Nor the majority of the conservative party.  A McCain nomination for president is a pipe dream of the liberal media.  Because a McCain bid for the White House would equate to a very poor showing of conservatives nationwide.

    Nevada:

    Obama HUGE
    Clinton
    Edwards


    Anyone notice that in Michigan the results were Hillary 40%, Nobody 60%? (no one else was running against her, and she still only got 40%.)


  • I have got to say this…

    The BEST hope that the Republican Party has this election with such a weak slate of candidates is that Obama get the nomination.

    Once things settle in to a 1-on-1 race R v. D, Obama is toast.  Lack of record, lack of experience, and I hate to say it but the race card also…  Any of the top 4 Republicans (McCain, Huckabee, Romney, Guiliani) will beat Obama.  Certain of the top 3, iffy with Guiliani)

    Hillary has HUGE negatives.  BUT, her negatives are not as great as the negatives that Obama will have brought forward in a 1-on-1 race for the White House.

    Against Hillary…
    Only McCain and Huckabee can beat her.  Guiliani already had “health issues” once in a race against Hillary and had to withdraw when it appeared he might lose.  Thompson just has been too much “nothing” since joining the race to be a factor.  McCain can appeal to the moderates and potentially draw off enough of the middle to win.  Huckabee as a Baptist Minister can potentially energize the Republican base enough to win.  Add in his Fair Tax support, and his whole “states rights” outlook (most recently voiced over the old Confederate Flag flap in SC) and he might edge out Hillary.

    Sorry, but Thompson and Edwards are DRT (dead right there).  And the third tier candidates (folks like Kusinich and Paul) are out of this after Super Tuesday (unless they choose to become election footnotes as 3rd party candidates, and I am not sure the libertarians will accept Paul as their nominee).


  • I agree MLXBFW has alot of negatives. Once MLXBFW gets beat in some more primary’s she will be a bit more reckless and say something that will get her in trouble.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    I fail to see any real difference in political opinion between McCain and Mrs. Clinton.  That’s why McCain has no chance to beat Hillary.  He’s too divisive in the Republican Party.  If he gets the nomination, the democrats could run Joseph Stalin and win because the Republicans just won’t go vote.

  • 2007 AAR League

    thats just stupid.  :-(

    and how does the crackerjack romney win by so much in nevada.  who votes out there.  are there alot of mormons in nevada b/c utah is so close or what?  obviously anyone who voted for him isnt republican, or they were to dumb to know that he flip-floped on everything for political expediency.  the huge issues you really cant change like that and not have people know your convictions are for shit.


  • Actually the articles I have read say that there is indeed a huge Mormon population in Nevada.

    They also show him in 4th in South Carolina, which is pretty much the death knell of any chance he has to win… proof he cannot win in the South and carry the Reagan Democrats…

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    S. Carolina is 1 out of 50 states.  Not exactly a “death knell” since you claim McCain is going to win and he has never, in his entire existence and multiple bids for Presidential Nomination, carried S. Carolina.

    And the reason Romney’s doing well is because he’s the second most conservative guy in the bunch and the only one to take a failing state (Massachusetts) and make it profitable again.  He’s got a record.  His actions are speaking louder then the Mormon hater’s words are.

    Support for that statement?  He’s got the most delegates of all the Republicans running, so far.

    Thompson is most conservative at the moment.  And because he’s taking a very hard line, and very anti-left approach - finally - his numbers are rising faster then everyone else’s.


  • McCain’s loss in SC in 2000 marked the end of his campaign… lack of support in the Old South meant there was no way he could win the White House.

    I am simply using historical precedent to say that a candidate that comes in FOURTH in South Carolina is doomed to fail, either in the primaries or the General Election.  If you can;t get support in the Old South as a Republican, then you cannot win.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    I think McCain winning in SC is a pipe dream.  Thompson may win, but not McCain.

    And it’s not the OLD south.  The OLD south were slave owners and were democrats.  “Good Old Southern Democrats.”  The NEW south is conservative.

    Besides, I’m getting tired of hearing that if Romney doesn’t win (insert any state name here) he is finished.

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