For me, it’s getting more historical accurate play of nations in WWII that actually fought. I find it very strange that Vichy France and Co-Belligerent Italy isn’t in the game, obviously it is hard to do this.
DK's Hybrid Axis and Allies Map and Rules
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@Baron:
@SS:
So who and what map has the correct Burma Road on it ? This map shows the road only in Burma and going to Chungking which is above Yunnan and not going to Sezhwan.
So then all game board maps are wrong ?I�m assuming they are changed for game play purposes ?
The previous map seems correct. It reveals that delivery from Calcuta to Chungking was by air transports.
And road shipping was by rail first, then road toward Yunnan regional capital.
There is many particularities according to the time war.Probably the simplest way is to consider 4 TTs for gameplay purpose.
I did some checking to. Its the Ledo Road that connects the Burma road to India. the Ledo Road wasn’t built until 1945. As you stated there is many particularities. So if it goes through 4 territories then it should be called The Ledo/Burma Road. IMO
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Your right about this Ledo road:
The Ledo Road (from Ledo, Assam, India to Kunming, Yunnan, China) was built during World War II so that the Western Allies could supply the Chinese as an alternative to the Burma Road which had been cut by the Japanese in 1942. It was renamed the Stilwell Road (named after General Joseph Stilwell of the U.S. Army) in early 1945 at the suggestion of Chiang Kai-shek. It passes through the Burmese towns of Shingbwiyang, Myitkyina and Bhamo in Kachin state.
One interesting fact about land road is that it cannot compete with the airways:
As General Chennault had predicted, supplies carried over the Ledo Road at no time approached tonnage levels of supplies airlifted monthly into China over the Hump. In July 1945, the last full month before the end of the war, 71,000 tons of supplies were flown over the Hump, compared to only 6,000 tons using the Ledo Road; the airlift operation continued in operation until the end of the war, with a total tonnage of 650,000 tons compared to 147,000 for the Ledo Road. By the time supplies were flowing over the Ledo Road in large quantities, operations in other theaters had shaped the course of the war against Japan.
http://military.wikia.com/wiki/Ledo_Road
So, from gameplay POV, when Axis is owning a given TT from the Burma road, it is a way of acknowledging that airlift transports are no more possible over a given portion of Burma Road. (Too much AA guns… and too long flight.)
Also, Kunming in Yunnan was the delivery point, but it does not mean the material is given to Chinese soldiers and divisions. Hence, the addition of Chungking in Szechwan, as the capital-in-exile of Republic of China, where we presume are the training grounds and division camps to built their armies.
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Another strange thing on DK’s Hybrid map: Vladivostok is a seaport and is the end of Trans-Siberian Railways.
But they are not connected?!!Maybe it had something to do with the passing too near from name in white letters, and altering the underlying pic.
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@Baron:
Your right about this Ledo road:
The Ledo Road (from Ledo, Assam, India to Kunming, Yunnan, China) was built during World War II so that the Western Allies could supply the Chinese as an alternative to the Burma Road which had been cut by the Japanese in 1942. It was renamed the Stilwell Road (named after General Joseph Stilwell of the U.S. Army) in early 1945 at the suggestion of Chiang Kai-shek. It passes through the Burmese towns of Shingbwiyang, Myitkyina and Bhamo in Kachin state.
One interesting fact about land road is that it cannot compete with the airways:
As General Chennault had predicted, supplies carried over the Ledo Road at no time approached tonnage levels of supplies airlifted monthly into China over the Hump. In July 1945, the last full month before the end of the war, 71,000 tons of supplies were flown over the Hump, compared to only 6,000 tons using the Ledo Road; the airlift operation continued in operation until the end of the war, with a total tonnage of 650,000 tons compared to 147,000 for the Ledo Road. By the time supplies were flowing over the Ledo Road in large quantities, operations in other theaters had shaped the course of the war against Japan.
http://military.wikia.com/wiki/Ledo_Road
So, from gameplay POV, when Axis is owning a given TT from the Burma road, it is a way of acknowledging that airlift transports are no more possible over a given portion of Burma Road. (Too much AA guns… and too long flight.)
Also, Kunming in Yunnan was the delivery point, but it does not mean the material is given to Chinese soldiers and divisions. Hence, the addition of Chungking in Szechwan, as the capital-in-exile of Republic of China, where we presume are the training grounds and division camps to built their armies.
Makes sense. I’ll just leave on map as is. Will connect Yunnan to the Burma road. The UK still can transport 2 ground if Ledo road is open to Burma. Monsoon weather event restricts motorized units from moving in certain territories. Inf only can move for either side. I’m out of this thread now. Don’t want to jam up DK’s thread.
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@SS:
I did some checking to. Its the Ledo Road that connects the Burma road to India. the Ledo Road wasn’t built until 1945. As you stated there is many particularities. So if it goes through 4 territories then it should be called The Ledo/Burma Road. IMO
The Burma Road started out as the Burma Road. Once Japan conquered Burma, however, the southern end of it became unusable by the Allies, so the Allies had to build a new road connecting India to the middle part of the old Burma Road; it became known as the Ledo Road from that point onwards.
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@Imperious:
Excuse me but this is essentially my map with a few crude edits. It is not any other.
And what exactly did I do to deserve this? I’ve been nothing but thankful and respectful to you for letting me adapt your map, IL - stuff like this is why I barely visit this site anymore. Isn’t your 1942 map pretty much an EXACT copy of an already published retail map, just made prettier?
This is supposed to be a thread about a map that I adapted. It is what it is - all faults included. Nobody is forced to visit here if they don’t like it.
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Relax, somebody said " Der Kuenstler your map is great " and i said its not his map. Thats it. Why you bugging out?
And the funny thing is is that that posted edited out that portion of his remark so i cant even show you what he said… :roll:
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OK I guess I just overreacted about it then - never mind…
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This last ones is a little change on Gilbert Island.
If 1942 is the starting date, Gilbert Islands were invaded at the same time as Pearl Harbor Raid.
To be consistent, this have to be corrected.It is same as my precedent picture in PTO.
The most interesting basis is about Iwo Jima sharing the same SZ as Japan.
Capturing Iwo Jima allows US escorting Fighters against Japan to be launched and landed in this island.And I duplicated this feature somehow with Vancouver Island placed in between 2 SZs :
SZ64 and SZ55, and if captured, allows Japan to launch Fighters from this island into West USA or Western Canada.These islands in various Pacific SZs clearly showed how Japan may try to put in place an Outer Defense Perimeter.
Also, USA can do an effective Islands hopping from Hawaii toward Gilbert Islands, Marshall Islands and Marianas.
Or directly from Hawaii toward Marianas to capture a way point to launch bombers on Japan.These islands in PTO SZs allows the possibility to work in a similar way as it was done in WW2.
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Finally, I’m adding an other SZ in North Pacific.
That way, Wake Island stay further away from Japan but same distance from Midway or Hawaii.
So, Bombers landing in Wake would not be able to SBR Japan from this position but need to land on either Iwo Jima or Marianas.IMO, this would be the most enlarged map to keep within level of 1942.2 game and not going too much toward Pacific 1940 SZs.
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What font did you use for TTs names, DK?
“Myriad Web Pro” 18 points?
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If your adding islands, add Maldives
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@Baron:
What font did you use for TTs names, DK?
“Myriad Web Pro” 18 points?
Don’t remember - that sounds right, though.
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@Imperious:
If your adding islands, add Maldives
Why these are more important than Hainan, for instance?
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Not one or the other: both are important
and Ceylon with naval base, British naval based there
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Thank you for yoru share Der Kuenstler.
Your last battle board is great with very good ideas !
I made my own battle board basing on your design and idea.
When i get the allowing to post pictures, i will ! -
DK,
I love your work! Hope to see more of it.
I’ve managed to get your 1.1 map and your 7.3 rules downloaded, but cannot get the mediafire link to your 7.3 charts and new pieces file to work. Is there any chance that you could e-mail it to me? Please send it to doug#pearson#31415 - at - gmail -dot- com (omit the '#'s).
This seemed to be the only way to get hold of you. Sorry if this was not the proper method.
Many Thanks!Doug ‘Bowser’ Pearson
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