• Thanks for the response.

    I’m fully aware this ragtag unit in S.France will not survive a G2 assault.  In fact, the allies may count on that to redirect German resources early in the game.  The question is, what does this do to impact:
    A: Italian expansion in R1
    B: German advance into Moscow

    Do the Italians simply take Greece with those Inf/Art from N.Italy and starting units in Albania?  
    Do you instead land 2 Inf and 2 Art in Syria so as to access Iraq early and put pressure on Cairo?
    How does this impact the Italian income on I1, does this create problems going forward for them?

    What is the impact of a G3 move to Eastern Poland devoid of 6 Armor and 4 Mech that generally arrive there?

    Is that enough for Russia to prepare a sufficient counter attack with a R1 purchase of 7 Art and a R2 purchase of 6 Armor?

    Assuming Germany buys 10 Armor on G2, at most that arrives on G3 is 13 Armor (3 starting from Poland, Slovac and Romania plus the 10 put in Berlin on G2).  Germany most likely has around 25 Infantry supporting those Armor and 5 Artillery.  Is Moscow in a strong position to counter attack a German advance and cut through a ton of German infantry before the full retreat / stacking of Moscow occurs?

    I’m just thinking about the trade off.

    Russia brings approximately:
    25 Inf, 2 Mech, 10 Art (7 Purchased R1), 2 Mech, 8 Armor (6 Purchased R2), 2 Ftr and 1 Tac
    Germany brings approximately
    26 Inf, 5 Art, 13 Armor (10 Purchased G2) that stands in Poland on G3

    The game changer is what G1 purchase was - if its naval, Germany stands to lose 65% of the time in Poland from a Russian counter.  If its 7 artillery, Russia has to play fallback with only a 20% success rate in Poland as the Artillery jumps from 5 to 12 for a defending Germany.

    Sometimes the delay game by redirecting resources can play well into your favor.


  • @cyanight:

    I think the French DD plays a huge role in blocking of the DEI.  Move the French DD to SZ 58 and then to SZ 43 (Borneo) to block.  Move the India DD to sz 37 (Malaya), USA DD in sz 35 (Philippines) and ANZAC DD to sz 45 (Dutch New Guinea) for a complete umbrella over the DEI.

    I love this plan! I hadn’t thought of moving the French DD to 58 then 43, and completing the block with the Anzac and USA.
    Of course, this won’t work if Japan goes to war round 2. If, as Japan, you saw this blocking maneuver coming, would you go to war round 2 just so you could get the islands earlier?

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    There is another move Japan could do. Before declaring war on any of the Allies, Japanese and Allied ships can pass through the same sea zones. So, Japan could take some loaded transports escorted by warships, go right pass the Allied blockers and simply sit in the sea zones of the DEI until they are ready to declare war, kill any Allied ships that are there and land on the DEI islands.
    Now, UK France and ANZAC could prevent this by declaring war on Japan round 1 or 2, but then Japan could just attack them without bringing the US into the conflict. This way may take Japan a couple of rounds to get all the DEI, but that income is obviously worth the wait.


  • Well not really. UK and Anzac can attack those transports early and let USA enter T4.


  • IMHO,
    knp has it right. Japan doesn’t need to spread several unprotected TRS into all DEI SZ’s. Japan can put any (or all) TRS with a major escort in (for example) SZ43. The only thing with this is that Japan, moving before all the allies, needs to anticipate this allied sceme. This means moving into #43 J2 before Japan even knows the allies will do it or not (allies can just decide not to if they see Japan’s actions). For this reason I move a large (if not all) Japanese escort to #20 or #36 J1. As much as I hate the pressure relief this brings for the USA right off the bat, I don’t see other options for Japan if it wants to have all or most of the DEI in 1 sweep… Except for attacking J2 ofc, which has its own pros and cons and so it depends on more of the global situation for Japan do do it.

    I like to use this French DD through the med or around Africa to join with the other allied ships so they (particularly the USA) have more room for building TRS+load instead of ships. Same goes for the french fleet in #93 if it is still alive. The French INF in north Africa can stay there and consolidate with or without British air depending on the situation but I like to eventually pick them up with a TRS from the USA and land them in Normandy for just the extra 2INF in the body. Same for the French INF starting in the UK.
    The Syrian and WF-INF march towards Egypt for extra protection/exchange units against Germany in the caucasus and/or Japan if they march through the Middle East with an ever growing army.
    I prefer to use that French most critical unit to fly alongside the RAF into where it is most needed; either in Russia, Gibraltar or Egypt.

    Using the INF & ART in Normandy to (hopefully) get rid of Axis air as described earlier but if the axis move in some cannon fodder I usually don’t care attacking. I like to draw more Axis units into Normandy instead of attacking and possibly killing 1AAA.

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    @Spendo02:

    Thanks for the response.

    I’m fully aware this ragtag unit in S.France will not survive a G2 assault.  In fact, the allies may count on that to redirect German resources early in the game.  The question is, what does this do to impact:
    A: Italian expansion in R1
    B: German advance into Moscow

    Do the Italians simply take Greece with those Inf/Art from N.Italy and starting units in Albania?  
    Do you instead land 2 Inf and 2 Art in Syria so as to access Iraq early and put pressure on Cairo?
    How does this impact the Italian income on I1, does this create problems going forward for them?

    What is the impact of a G3 move to Eastern Poland devoid of 6 Armor and 4 Mech that generally arrive there?

    Is that enough for Russia to prepare a sufficient counter attack with a R1 purchase of 7 Art and a R2 purchase of 6 Armor?

    Assuming Germany buys 10 Armor on G2, at most that arrives on G3 is 13 Armor (3 starting from Poland, Slovac and Romania plus the 10 put in Berlin on G2).  Germany most likely has around 25 Infantry supporting those Armor and 5 Artillery.  Is Moscow in a strong position to counter attack a German advance and cut through a ton of German infantry before the full retreat / stacking of Moscow occurs?

    I’m just thinking about the trade off.

    Russia brings approximately:
    25 Inf, 2 Mech, 10 Art (7 Purchased R1), 2 Mech, 8 Armor (6 Purchased R2), 2 Ftr and 1 Tac
    Germany brings approximately
    26 Inf, 5 Art, 13 Armor (10 Purchased G2) that stands in Poland on G3

    The game changer is what G1 purchase was - if its naval, Germany stands to lose 65% of the time in Poland from a Russian counter.  If its 7 artillery, Russia has to play fallback with only a 20% success rate in Poland as the Artillery jumps from 5 to 12 for a defending Germany.

    Sometimes the delay game by redirecting resources can play well into your favor.

    You make a very good point.  Having to detour a force when a situation presents itself will always result in changing the battles on other fronts.  In this situation to detour 6 tanks and 2 mech(what is left after the attack) I think is worthwhile considering the comparison of IPCs lost.

    Germany
    3 art  = 12 IPCs
    2 mech = 8 IPCs
    –-----------------
    Total = 20 IPCs

    Allied Force
    2 Inf 6 IPCs
    1 Art 4 IPCs
    1 Arm 6 IPCs
    3 Ftr 30 IPCs
    1 Tac 11 IPCs

    Total = 57 IPCs


  • To France 3 Art, 6 Tanks,4 Mech, 7 Inf

    You don’t use anything more and you don’t use planes that can be shot down. The planes are needed to sunk UK naval assets.

    This force pool would not cut into loses of anything more than infantry.

    and leave Normandy alone till g2


  • @ItIsILeClerc:

    For this reason I move a large (if not all) Japanese escort to #20 or #36 J1. As much as I hate the pressure relief this brings for the USA right off the bat, I don’t see other options for Japan if it wants to have all or most of the DEI in 1 sweep

    Why is this move relieving pressure off the US?  Where would you normally place the IJN if you weren’t anticipating a destroyer screen on the islands?


  • Hmm, to answer that I need to go a little off-topic, but that’s allright with me ;-).

    If Japan is going DEI & India with its fleet, it cannot also threaten Hawai (an ‘important’ VC) at the same time. For the sake of this topic I better not go into that course of events any further but IMHO this does let the USA off the hook for quite some time.
    The USA can use that time to focus on Europe a couple of turns AND have an adequate defense of Hawai and Sydney in place once Japan is finished in the south and is ready to turn east again.

    If I am not anticipating a destroyer screen around the DEI (for whatever reason), I like to station the IJN (including 5 or 6 fully loaded TRS) at the Carolines. From there, Japan can strike Hawai, Sydney, Philippines, the DEI (except Sumatra), the ‘outer perimeter NO’, etc. Everywhere. Even if stationed at the Carolines and the allies screen the DEI completely, there’s plenty to do for the IJN. For example, Japan could hit Sydney J3, taking Australia instead of the DEI. Unless ofc the allies will also screen that route. But if the allies use too much screens, japan can just take all islands it can get to while destroying all screens in detail. I found out there is nothing wrong with a slower Japanese approach, especially if a lot of allied ships can be taken down.


  • I will add to that, if Japan stacks Caroline Is J1-J2 then even if the US is building in the Pac they will most likely back off too San Fran. This delays the US for a turn or so. Better for Japan if the US fleet is anchored off the coast of California then sitting in Hawaii or Queensland.


  • @WILD:

    I will add to that, if Japan stacks Caroline Is J1-J2 then even if the US is building in the Pac they will most likely back off too San Fran. This delays the US for a turn or so. Better for Japan if the US fleet is anchored off the coast of California then sitting in Hawaii or Queensland.

    How much would be in carol?  The US might stack Hawaii anyway if he can do some damage and sets up a decent counter from WCoast and ANZAC.


  • @ghr2:

    @WILD:

    I will add to that, if Japan stacks Caroline Is J1-J2 then even if the US is building in the Pac they will most likely back off too San Fran. This delays the US for a turn or so. Better for Japan if the US fleet is anchored off the coast of California then sitting in Hawaii or Queensland.

    How much would be in carol?  The US might stack Hawaii anyway if he can do some damage and sets up a decent counter from WCoast and ANZAC.

    I’d say IF Japan goes for this, the entire IJN must be there. For the exact same reason you just gave. Otherwise the USA will just laugh ;-). And even with the entire IJN in Carol, the USA can still kill all the IJN (which can get no help from the other 15 japanese aircraft this far) in a counterstrike.
    What Japan still may achieve is (for the moment) less US interference in Europe…


  • @ItIsILeClerc:

    @ghr2:

    @WILD:

    I will add to that, if Japan stacks Caroline Is J1-J2 then even if the US is building in the Pac they will most likely back off too San Fran. This delays the US for a turn or so. Better for Japan if the US fleet is anchored off the coast of California then sitting in Hawaii or Queensland.

    How much would be in carol?�  The US might stack Hawaii anyway if he can do some damage and sets up a decent counter from WCoast and ANZAC.

    I’d say IF Japan goes for this, the entire IJN must be there. For the exact same reason you just gave. Otherwise the USA will just laugh ;-). And even with the entire IJN in Carol, the USA can still kill all the IJN (which can get no help from the other 15 japanese aircraft this far) in a counterstrike.
    What Japan still may achieve is (for the moment) less US interference in Europe…

    It might depend on how many destoryers does the US want to use to block.

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